Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the Jul 10, 2007, CBC News story titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#398751 Oct 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Rolling on the floor, laughing out loud!!
And whom do you believe? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Peter?
Clarify how you are NOT believing 'men' at some point? Do you believe the Roman Catholic Church when they declared at the council of hippo in the 4th century, that these certain books shall be in The New Testament?
You don't agree with Pauls letters, right? But you agree with Peters letters? Is one not 'men'?
Lol
I don't believe men. Men are fallible.

I utilize what men have said or done and make up my own mind.

In other words, I won't have men tell me what I am to believe, as you have, and as Christianity has done.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#398752 Oct 27, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
good friend
If new gnosticism does not worship God, or Jesus, then it is still outside of Orthodox Christian beliefs, as was "old" gnosticism.
This being the case, hasn't this merely proved the point that gnosticsism has not progressed in some "mental fashion", but merely puts on new "religous garments" to what is popular belief, in adapting itself, not as a force of attaining enlightenment, but of being part of the material world?
It is what it is....of the material world, and therefore in darkness, while calling itself light....
In otherwords isn't gnosticism self-satsfying, making it self-deceptive...?
IMO - I don;t believe it does.

Gnosticism opens the mind to the possibilities that Christianity suppresses.

Those moments that enlighten and not deter.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#398753 Oct 27, 2012
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me? Ltm and Gif believe we have to do works for Salvation?
I don't think so Clay.
Salvation isn't by works Marge, I have never said otherwise.
I don't know were you got that from.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not of yourself it is a gift from God ;not a result of works less any man should boost.

verse 10 For we are 'HIS' WORKMENSHIP CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS , WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#398754 Oct 27, 2012
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
good friend
If new gnosticism does not worship God, or Jesus, then it is still outside of Orthodox Christian beliefs, as was "old" gnosticism.
This being the case, hasn't this merely proved the point that gnosticsism has not progressed in some "mental fashion", but merely puts on new "religous garments" to what is popular belief, in adapting itself, not as a force of attaining enlightenment, but of being part of the material world?
It is what it is....of the material world, and therefore in darkness, while calling itself light....
In otherwords isn't gnosticism self-satsfying, making it self-deceptive...?
"This being the case, hasn't this merely proved the point that gnosticsism has not progressed in some "mental fashion", but merely puts on new "religous garments" to what is popular belief, in adapting itself, not as a force of attaining enlightenment, but of being part of the material world?"

It has progressed, just not in the fashion you expect.

Those who have taken this belief and "ran with it", like me, have developed a much better understanding of the material world we exist in. In my life, I try to separate that "darkness" you and Christianity think only exists outside your world.

I guess you don't understand that all religions are of men.

And if you apply your logic to this, then none of these religions are true and only reside because of darkness.

I'll disagree to the point that all religions are in darkness.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398755 Oct 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
by Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)
July 2001
INTRODUCTION
Jesus said that the truth will set us free.(John 8:32) However, He did not say that the truth would necessarily be easy to accept. It was painful for me to learn the information that I am about to share with you, but it was also liberating and it led to a closer relationship with God.
As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I practiced Mary worship for many years without realizing it. The prayers and practices were so familiar. They were taught to me by good people, sincere people that I trusted. I prayed rosaries and wore a scapular and engaged in other “devotions” which I honestly thought were good and pleasing to God. Because of my lack of knowledge of the Bible and of Church history, I HONESTLY HAD NO IDEA THAT I WAS ACTUALLY WORSHIPPING MARY.(MY EMPHASIS)
If modern Catholic teachings and doctrines about Mary are true, then they will not be contrary to Scripture, the writings of the Early Fathers, or the decrees of past popes. For a devout Catholic to question these issues and put them to the test can be painful. It certainly was for me. However, it would be far more painful to have God correct us when we face Him on Judgment Day.
**********
The emphasis is mine. Like I said, you say that you don't...but you do!
KayMarie
Wow. So we say we don't worship Mary. But you say we do, so we do.

Get lost. You have allot of explaining to do in the 'baring false witness category'.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#398756 Oct 27, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I said "Protestants use word play" to demean the Mother of Our Lord..and what did you just do?
Look Kay, Jesus and God are one. Mary is the Mother of Jesus (God). Therefore Mary can legally be called the Mother of God.
Jesus, knows He is God and He knows who His Mother is?
When you pick apart the obvious, you insult Christ.
Has you or anyone in your Pentecostal organization ever uttered, "Blessed Mary"?
I never heard one single Protestant on this forum ever call her that. Interesting, since Mary said "all generations shall call me Blessed". Indeed, all generations DID call her that until y'all showed up...
~~~

Mary was depicted in the Old Testament as a virgin, that would be with child...

It says nothing more about her....from this prophecy until the visit

of the Gabriel...

Nothing that your imagination can build upon...

QUESTION
Why has the Roman Catholic Church .... attempted to make a goddess...of her.

Negated the existence of her Children...

and exploit the intimacies of her marriage to Joseph,

To tabloid pornography.

YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY BOOK THAT EXIST ON EARTH... AND PROVE/VALIDATE THE MYTHS THAT HAVE BEEN CONJURED UP ABOUT HER.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#398757 Oct 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="StarC"
There you have KM and marge, the different interpretations.
Too much conflict between you protestant.
“Catholics believe that faith AND good works are both necessary for salvation, because such is the teaching of Jesus Christ. What Our Lord demands is "faith that worketh by charity ." (Gal. 5 :6). Read Matthew 25:31-46, which describes the Last Judgment as being based on works of charity. The first and greatest commandment, as given by Our Lord Himself, is to love the Lord God with all one's heart, mind, soul, and strength; and the second great commandment is to love one's neighbor as oneself.(Mark 12:30-31). When the rich young man asked Our Lord what he must do to gain eternal life, Our Lord answered: "Keep the commandments." (Matt. 19:17). Thus, although faith is the beginning, it is not the complete fulfillment of the will of God. Nowhere in the Bible is it written that faith alone justifies. When St. Paul wrote, "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law," he was referring to works peculiar to the old Jewish Law, and he cited circumcision as an example.
The Catholic Church does NOT teach that purely human good works are meritorious for salvation; such works are NOT meritorious for salvation, according to her teaching. Only those good works performed when a person is in the state of grace – that is, as a branch drawing its spiritual life from the Vine which is Christ (John 15:4-6)– only these good deeds work toward our salvation, and they do so only by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ. These good works, offered to God by a soul in the state of grace (i.e., free of mortal sin, with the Blessed Trinity dwelling in the soul), are thereby “
**********
And where do you see conflict between myself and Marge? Scripture says repeatedly that 'the just shall live by his faith'. You could do a mountain of 'works'(charity), but find no favor with God, for, "without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please Him." But if one is born again by faith, he/she will do good works, which will prove the love of God (charity=love) to be in him/her.
What we call 'charity' is an act for the poor, and gains us nothing alone. Gal.5:6 says that faith works by LOVE (charity), the LOVE OF GOD that is in us because HE is in us.
KayMarie
Amen KM
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398758 Oct 27, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe men. Men are fallible.
I utilize what men have said or done and make up my own mind.
In other words, I won't have men tell me what I am to believe, as you have, and as Christianity has done.
What? Are you saying Muah, Clay, has no free will to make up his own mind on what to believe?
Eh New Age, I examined many sides already. I trust wholeheartedly in Jesus Christ and know that whatever Church He started, is being guided on truth. Unfortunately for all non-catholics on this forum, that Church happens to be the Catholic Church.
In a way, to deny this truth is to lack faith in the Christ. To deny this truth is to believe Christ was lying when He promised to be with them til the end.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398759 Oct 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
I said "Protestants use word play" to demean the Mother of Our Lord..and what did you just do?
Look Kay, Jesus and God are one. Mary is the Mother of Jesus (God). Therefore Mary can legally be called the Mother of God.
Jesus, knows He is God and He knows who His Mother is?
When you pick apart the obvious, you insult Christ.
Has you or anyone in your Pentecostal organization ever uttered, "Blessed Mary"?
I never heard one single Protestant on this forum ever call her that. Interesting, since Mary said "all generations shall call me Blessed". Indeed, all generations DID call her that until y'all showed up...
**********
I have never demeaned Mary...and know that she is blessed of God. When a woman declared Mary's womb and her breasts to be blessed, Jesus said that: "Blessed RATHER are those who hear the Word of God and keep/do it."
It is NEVER an insult to Jesus Christ to honor Him above ALL flesh.
Catholics insist that they do not worship Mary...but also insist upon honoring her as God's mother! You don't, but you do...
KayMarie
Kay: Catholics worship Mary.

Catholics: No Kay, that is ridiculous. All worship is to God and God alone.

Kay: You say you don't worship her but you do.

Catholics: We ask her to pray for us; we honor her and treat her exactly like Christ did. We imitate Christ by the honor given to His Mom.

Kay: what you are doing is worshiping her

Catholics: We understand that Mary's role is to bring people to her Son. This is not worship. We only worship God.

Kay: You call Mary the Mother of God.

Catholics: Yes, Jesus and God are one in the same. Therefore Mother of God is a very appropiate title.

Kay: That means you worship her.

Catholics: No, we would never worship Mary. Worship is for God alone.

Kay: I'm telling you and I am telling everybody that Catholics worship Mary.

Catholics: Then you are baring false witness and need to examine your actions prior to coming face to face with Jesus Christ someday.
marge

Ames, IA

#398760 Oct 27, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Salvation isn't by works Marge, I have never said otherwise.
I don't know were you got that from.
Eph 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not of yourself it is a gift from God ;not a result of works less any man should boost.
verse 10 For we are 'HIS' WORKMENSHIP CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS , WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
I know big sis, Clay said you believe in faith plus works Salvation not me.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398761 Oct 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Mary was depicted in the Old Testament as a virgin, that would be with child...
It says nothing more about her....from this prophecy until the visit
of the Gabriel...
Nothing that your imagination can build upon...
QUESTION
Why has the Roman Catholic Church .... attempted to make a goddess...of her.
Negated the existence of her Children...
and exploit the intimacies of her marriage to Joseph,
To tabloid pornography.
YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY BOOK THAT EXIST ON EARTH... AND PROVE/VALIDATE THE MYTHS THAT HAVE BEEN CONJURED UP ABOUT HER.
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
The fact is, no evidence of Mary having other children is in the Bible. If you cite 'Brother' and 'Sister' as evidence, you are going against the Bible by using modern language to reverse original meanings of words. This is a grave sin.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398762 Oct 27, 2012
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
I know big sis, Clay said you believe in faith plus works Salvation not me.
I believe LTM does not subscribe to OSAS and faith alone. LTM believes in faith + works.(I think).
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398763 Oct 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Mary was depicted in the Old Testament as a virgin, that would be with child...
It says nothing more about her....from this prophecy until the visit
of the Gabriel...
Nothing that your imagination can build upon...
QUESTION
Why has the Roman Catholic Church .... attempted to make a goddess...of her.
Negated the existence of her Children...
and exploit the intimacies of her marriage to Joseph,
To tabloid pornography.
YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY BOOK THAT EXIST ON EARTH... AND PROVE/VALIDATE THE MYTHS THAT HAVE BEEN CONJURED UP ABOUT HER.
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
There are no myths about Mary, Confrint.

The only 'myth' is that sola scripture is a false teaching.

Why would you think everything about Mary needs to be spelled out in the books that make up the Bible?

I'd say you reek of Bible worship, and the Bible, is in fact, your god.

"but its the word of God"

How do you know? Who told you that? Where in the Bible does it say the 27 books in the NT are the word of God? Mine doesn't have a table of contents telling me which books should be labeled as such, does yours?

Don't run off Pastor, answer these questions truthfully or get lost.
LTM

Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

#398764 Oct 27, 2012
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
I know big sis, Clay said you believe in faith plus works Salvation not me.
Oh ok I was wondering if you misunderstood me.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398765 Oct 27, 2012
Correction: "The only Myth is that sola scripture is a VALID teaching".

Eh Gif, Sola Scripture didn't appear until the 16th century (when the printed bible came to be)?

What do you think of that?

Are you going to deny this fact?

of course you are, because your whole ministry will come crumbling down, and you'll have to face Christ with this new info. So you think its better to simply ignore it as if that will wash your hands.
ReginaM

Lakewood, NJ

#398766 Oct 27, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
by Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)
July 2001
INTRODUCTION
Jesus said that the truth will set us free.(John 8:32) However, He did not say that the truth would necessarily be easy to accept. It was painful for me to learn the information that I am about to share with you, but it was also liberating and it led to a closer relationship with God.
As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I practiced Mary worship for many years without realizing it. The prayers and practices were so familiar. They were taught to me by good people, sincere people that I trusted. I prayed rosaries and wore a scapular and engaged in other “devotions” which I honestly thought were good and pleasing to God. Because of my lack of knowledge of the Bible and of Church history, I HONESTLY HAD NO IDEA THAT I WAS ACTUALLY WORSHIPPING MARY.(MY EMPHASIS)
If modern Catholic teachings and doctrines about Mary are true, then they will not be contrary to Scripture, the writings of the Early Fathers, or the decrees of past popes. For a devout Catholic to question these issues and put them to the test can be painful. It certainly was for me. However, it would be far more painful to have God correct us when we face Him on Judgment Day.
**********
The emphasis is mine. Like I said, you say that you don't...but you do!
KayMarie
Oh, no! Not Mary Ann Collins again! We settled this about a year or two ago. There is no "Mary Ann Collins". She's a figment of some anti-Catholic bigot's imagination who thinks all nuns are Irish...lol! Do you believe everything you read on the internet? In that case, I have some great beach front property in Arizona I'll sell you cheap. A special discount just for you!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398767 Oct 27, 2012
LOl. The way I see it, if a nun thought she was worshiping Mary, then she is to stupid to be a nun.

Hey, are you in NJ? If so, good luck Tuesday.
marge

Ames, IA

#398768 Oct 27, 2012
Hey Regina how are you? Are you ready for some rain looks like you might get some.

Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#398769 Oct 27, 2012
Oxbow wrote:
709<quoted text>
by Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)
July 2001
INTRODUCTION
Jesus said that the truth will set us free.(John 8:32) However, He did not say that the truth would necessarily be easy to accept. It was painful for me to learn the information that I am about to share with you, but it was also liberating and it led to a closer relationship with God.
As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I practiced Mary worship for many years without realizing it. The prayers and practices were so familiar. They were taught to me by good people, sincere people that I trusted. I prayed rosaries and wore a scapular and engaged in other “devotions” which I honestly thought were good and pleasing to God. Because of my lack of knowledge of the Bible and of Church history, I honestly had no idea that I was actually worshipping Mary.
If modern Catholic teachings and doctrines about Mary are true, then they will not be contrary to Scripture, the writings of the Early Fathers, or the decrees of past popes. For a devout Catholic to question these issues and put them to the test can be painful. It certainly was for me. However, it would be far more painful to have God correct us when we face Him on Judgment Day.
The first line in this post is: "Jesus said that the truth shall set us free"

Am I to understand that Mary Ann Collins is a fictional person? Never a nun?
Did Ox knowingly spread a lie to paint Catholics in a bad light and further trash the Blessed Mother?

Good grief, you people will stop at nothing.
marge

Ames, IA

#398770 Oct 27, 2012
It was just on the local news that 15 power line workers from here are already heading to New York.

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