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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 667513 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Pad

Fishers, IN

#398780 Oct 27, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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At first, I thought how refreshing it was that someone was asking me a question.
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Then I read your second part of your post, and you keep right on going to your "answer."
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Since you have already made up your mind on the matter, what on earth is the point of asking *me?*
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You certainly aren't interested in any info I might provide.
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Rob
That is not true,you should know that if I am painfully off the mark,and that my theology here is inaccurate that you have eevery right to correct as you see fit.I do not have the last word on this.

I want to tell you though,that it is not my own personal interpretation.
7th Day Catholics Rock

Poplar Bluff, MO

#398781 Oct 27, 2012
preston wrote:
<quoted text>marge, do your home work. the sda guy believes that you will go to hell since you go to church on Sunday.
not every one that says, LORD,LORD is a christian
You are a bold face lier. I never said that nor do I think that. I know a lot people that go to church on Sunday and also keep the Sabbath as far as not buying and selling or causing someone to have to work they view at as day of rest. Also there are many that do not know that the 7th day is the day of rest and for those that do and go to church on Sunday God looks at their heart as to which God the are serving. Therefore YOU LIE. If it ever becomes a forced day of worship then yes we may all need to take a step back and re-evaluate as to what looks christian and what really is. Everyone on here know I do not believe they are going to hell for going ot Church on Sunday. Also as I have stated there will also be Catholics that are in Heaven as well as other denominations including SDA and I am sure a few that suffer the hell by the brightness of Christ's coming and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever.

:-P
4GVN

Saint Louis, MO

#398782 Oct 27, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you ALL believe the same then why do have 42,198 different contradicting, conflicting Protestant "bible only" inconsistent doctrines of beliefs....... Same teacher, maybe, but different (DIVIDED) beliefs in which EACH ONE claims to possess the TRUTH.
42,198 "DOCTRINES" . You are an idiot.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#398783 Oct 27, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
She's not even real. "Mary Ann Collins"? Give me a break! What a generic Irish Catholic name! LOL!!
Yep, I'm in NJ, right on the coast! We're going to get slaughtered! We lucked out last year, at least where I live. But don't think we're going to get away with it this time around. We'll probably be without power for days. As long as no windows blow out or trees fall on the house, we'll be okay. Thank you for the good wishes, we're going to need them!
I am really concerned for this country over the Hurricane Sandy.Oh that God would show mercy to this country and lessen the might of this storm to just a rain storm minus the wretched severity!

You will have to evacute Regina,is there some place you and your family can go?
Pad

Fishers, IN

#398784 Oct 27, 2012
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>42,198 "DOCTRINES" . You are an idiot.
It's about time someone figured out the math on this and realized the ridiculousness of such an accusation against the rest of the Body of Christ.

I understand that the Catholics feel they are under attack constantly,but to rationalize their stance by claiming the Prots and evangelicals have over 42,000 doctrines is nothing short of insanity,and disrespect to the Holy Spirit.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#398785 Oct 28, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
You wrote..
"In conclusion-there is nothing in the bible that says everything that is preached must agree or be in the bible in order for it to be true"
So you are saying...
1.There is no standard....THE BIBLE IS JUST ANOTHER BOOK LIKE YOUR CATECHISM...
2.That any one can set their own criteria...
3.Add any thing they want to assume....
4.Presume any thing their imagination desires,
5. There are no definitions of right or wrong...
6.THE TEN COMMANDS ARE THE TEN SUGGESTIONS AND
LIVING A GODLY LIFE IS A JOKE..
7.EVER THING IS A GRAY ...THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SIN...
Is it not a wonder that the world is going to hell, IN A HAND BASKET.
The conclusion I come to from what you declare..
is
MAN IS HIS OWN GOD...
God has
no instructions
no limitations..
NO BOUNDARIES .
No definite REASON FOR EXISTENCE.
THAT ALL MAN NEEDS
IS THE PAGAN ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THEIR god.
YOU ARE SURELY IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING...COME JUDGMENT DAY!
that is what he is basically saying confronting,the church made it easy for man to sin and be forgiven by teaching you can confess to another man in a closet and be ok,we know that's wrong 2 timothy tells you that you answer to god/jesus only,it's in the bible constantine had put together which they claim to follow but really don't,they have changed their beliefs so much it's not funny,then constantine needed to make a lot of pagans and christians happy,so he had the religion made easy to satisfy all,cause their practices/daily lives would be considered ungodly to most others.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#398786 Oct 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I NEVER said "any such thing Confrinting" that the bible is just another book!(AND YOU KNOW IT)...You are "so inundated" with your anti-catholic (extreme)"aversion, hostility and hate"---- that you will SAY--"MAKE UP" --and DO ANYTHING just to "hold on" to your (distorted) "bondage of vengence" that has corrupted your own heart, mind and soul--especially your ministry!!
In response to (2)--you are correct---ANY ONE of your 42,129 bible only Protestant (inconsistent- conflicting - contradicting interpretations) "continue" TO SET THEIR OWN CRITERIA (4) bible only Protestants "continue" to presume anything their imaginations desire by their contradicting "self-interpretation of the bible"
i.e. abortion, gay marriage, euthenasia, embroyonic stem cell research, homosexual ministers, etc, etc, ect.(5) 21st century bible only Protestant (conflicting bible interpretations) continue to prove that there are is no right or wrong---just "absolute truth" (whatever each person decides is right for them or wrong for them) again--abortion, gay marriage, etc.
(6) For us Catholics the Ten Commandments are taught, believed, adhered to and practiced as Historical and biblical moral and ethical teachings of the Old Testament in Exodus and Deut.----
---authoritative TRUTH that God handed down to Moses on Mt Sinai.
(7)yes--THAT IS RIGHT--for modernistic bible only 41,129+ Protestants EVERYTHING IS GRAY (or better described as RELATIVE. There are no absolutes, there is no absolute truth--it all depends whether "each person--personally" decides is truth or not! Again more inconsistent, contradicting and conflicting "hodge-podge" of over 41,000 different "self-interpretations " of the bible there is "no such thing as sin" unless (each individual person) believes that sin exists. Your (7) comments have (exactly) described the bible only Protestant self-interpretating "RELATIVE" (what each person thinks) is TRUTH. ie. abortion, gay marriage, euthenasia, etc. God IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN, nor EVER WILL BE THE AUTHOR OF YOUR BIBLE ONLY PROTESTANT (half-truth)(contradicting) confusion and inconsistent Christianity. That is why the One True Apostolic Catholic Church, was initiated, formed and established over 2000 years by JESUS CHRIST (himself) in Matthew 16:13-21 continues to proclaim and profess the TRUE DOCTRINE and remain TRUE to the teachings of Jesus Christ HIMSELF.
you are making the bible just anpother book with your rediculous statements abpout oral teachings,how do you know what exists if there just oral teachings? man could make up anything,and the catholic church did,there is no denying they are a pagan/christian church,they use pagan symbols and dates to this very day,so explain to me how it is the true church? when what they teach does not exist in the bible? and they break the rules in the bible?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#398787 Oct 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I posted the "entire" line of (factual) Papal succession for you earlier. I am not going to waste my time posting again in order for you to "ontinue" spreading your "distorted anti-catholic sources" of Historical Church heresy, lies and bible only mis-interpreting (deceptive garbage)..YOU CAN BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT!---I'll continue to believe and adhere to the historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ, in and through His One True Apostolic Catholic Church...YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT!!
I must of missed the post,i'll bet you posted the catholic only version which distorts the truth,it's funny how catholic and world history differ,catholic writers allways find a way around the horrors of the church in their so called devine (b.s.) writings/teachings.there is no true succession the catholic church is a false church as are the rest,the bible itself tells you that and you are blind to it because you listen to what a particular group wants you to believe,just like all other groups,the true meaning of religion does not come from a book of mans creation(which the bible is),it comes directly from the heart and soul of the individual man/woman and child,the truth has been distoted by so badly we have no idea what the truth is,books have been burned by the very people who put the bible together,that alone tells me they had an agenda and they do, put fear into man to follow the church to "MAKE MONEY" and they have done so very well. "IF" the the "ONE GOD THEORY" is real everyone is in for a rude awakening,including myself. for now i'll stick to my religion reality/evolutionism.thanks to the man created religious groups it gives my theory more credibility since no one church teaches the truth for the sake of god,but for profit only.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#398788 Oct 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for Kathy!!
your right good for her,if the one god theory is true, she saved herself from a false perverted corrupted unholy church.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#398789 Oct 28, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Kay: Catholics worship Mary.
Catholics: No Kay, that is ridiculous. All worship is to God and God alone.
Kay: You say you don't worship her but you do.
Catholics: We ask her to pray for us; we honor her and treat her exactly like Christ did. We imitate Christ by the honor given to His Mom.
Kay: what you are doing is worshiping her
Catholics: We understand that Mary's role is to bring people to her Son. This is not worship. We only worship God.
Kay: You call Mary the Mother of God.
Catholics: Yes, Jesus and God are one in the same. Therefore Mother of God is a very appropiate title.
Kay: That means you worship her.
Catholics: No, we would never worship Mary. Worship is for God alone.
Kay: I'm telling you and I am telling everybody that Catholics worship Mary.
Catholics: Then you are baring false witness and need to examine your actions prior to coming face to face with Jesus Christ someday.
i have been to catholic services a number of times,i see the very things that god forbids in his true commandments,graven images hanging on the walls or on pedastils,i see people bowing to these idols which is forbidden,the church changed the sabbath which it had no authority to do,it changed the true commandments to coencide with their man made laws (catholic catechism),not for the sake of god but for the sake of profit,the first thing they sold were pieces of wood claiming it to be from the cross jesus was crucified from,to me that is disgraceful.(of course all this depends on the fact the theory is correct) to use fear tatics torture, murder,to get people to follow the church tells you it is a false church,how? simple, a true loving god would not allow his true church to use such tatics to sway people,it is guilty of a number of crimes against not only man but god himself by not following his easy to read true ten commandments.they claim apostolic succession, their own history proves it does not exist,the papal chair was bought and sold, held in check for certain individuals,you can't have true succession that way,that is a total joke,and where is it written that apostolic succession is suppose to happen? after john wrote the final book,gods work/words were done,follow the bible,that's all that is required,no need for a organized religious groups,i see no real use for them since none of them tell the "WHOLE" truth,they pick and choose certain books to go by,even the bible is incomplete, since books were destroyed by man,you can't have a whole truth based on half truths,who gave constantine and his chosen group of "MEN" the authority to say what is true holy scripture and what is not? shouldn't it be written? or is this one of "pope hojo's so called oral truths? that the early pagan/christian fathers chosen had devine authority to make such deccisions? considering the men placed in the chair indulged themselves by abusing gods words/laws. quote from Pope Leo X"
Since God has given us the papacy, let us enjoy it.” does this sound like a true holy man? one who would be chosen by jesus/god to lead his church? continued.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#398790 Oct 28, 2012
TO CLAY:lets look further into his legacy and see how holy he truly was"Leo came from a powerful family and enjoyed early favors that helped him acquire the papal throne by the time he was 37. A patron of the arts, education, and charity, Leo certainly deserves to be recognized for elevating the church’s status, but his preference for money and political advancement rapidly exhausted the treasury. So financially unstable did his position become that he was eventually forced to pawn off furniture, jewels, and statues from the palace, as well as borrow huge sums of money from creditors (who were ultimately ruined when he died).In addition to living a life of splendor, Leo practiced nepotism, famously used the sale of indulgences to finance the reconstruction of St. Peter’s Basilica, and was even accused of homosexuality. In fact, some sources hold that he died in bed while getting it on with a youth. That accusation may or may not be true, of course, but one thing is for sure: Leo certainly let his love of luxury get the best of him.
a holy man? i don't think so,sad part is there are popes worse than him.
The Truth

United States

#398791 Oct 28, 2012
www.GetvipNews[dot]com/Roman-C atholic-church-only-true-churc h
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#398792 Oct 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It's about time someone figured out the math on this and realized the ridiculousness of such an accusation against the rest of the Body of Christ.
I understand that the Catholics feel they are under attack constantly,but to rationalize their stance by claiming the Prots and evangelicals have over 42,000 doctrines is nothing short of insanity,and disrespect to the Holy Spirit.
It may be the way one wants to read the data, but to call people liars because they read the data the way it is presented by the source is quite disingenuous. There may be a difference of opinion with reading the data, but that doesn't make one a liar — as has been charged. I have copied the chart covering three pages from the World Christian Encyclopedia. I think everyone invovled with apologetics should have a copy of this set. This chart is what all the hubbub is all about.

Now you can see the data for yourself — and you can be the judge whose numbers are right and who's are wrong. You can see who is trying to be fair and who is being disingenuous.

You can see the Chart for yourself. It is entitled: "Organized Christianity: global membership ranked by 6 major ecclesiastico-cultural megablocs and 300 major traditions AD 1970-2025." This chart is found on pages 16-18 of the World Christian Encyclopedia published by Oxford University Press.

Page one, page two, page three. Page three is very significant because it has the total numbers along the bottom.

What do you see on the Chart?
When you look at the chart you will see the 6 megablocs are 1) Orthodox, 2) Roman Catholic, 3) Aanglican, 4) Protestant, 5) Independent, 6) Marginal Christian. Together these groups made up 33,909 "denominations" (their word, not mine) in 2000 AD.

1) Orthodox broke with Rome around 1000 AD. They are a schism and in 2000 AD made up 764 of this number.

2) Roman Catholics make up 242 of this number but they are almost all in union with Rome just with names like Melkite, Maronite, etc.

3) Anglicans made up 168 "denominations." Though listed in a separate category than "Protestant" they can certainly be seen as "protestant" having broke from Rome in the same century as the followers of Luther and Calvin. However, their numbers are insignificant.

4) Protestants make up 8,973 "denominations." This catagory includes mainline Protestant groups like Baptists, Adventists, Presbyterian, Lutheran, etc.

cont.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#398793 Oct 28, 2012
5) Independent Christian groups made up 22,148 "denominations'' and included groups like Independent Baptist, Plymouth Brethren, Independent Methodist, Independent Lutheran, Apostolic Congregations, Charismatic denominations, Pentecostal, other Adventists, Reformed Anglicans, Independent Reformed Presbyterian, Old Catholic, and many more (see the chart). Now, if you cut these out and say they are not "protestant" then my numbers are false. But even though they are listed as "Independent" they are every bit "protestant denominations." Even if you knock off a few bizarre, questionable ones it still is a huge number. To say that one who counts these as "protestant denominations" are liars is quite disingenuous.

6) Marginal Christian groups make up only 1,596. These include Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Liberal Catholic, Gnostic, Swedenborgian, etc. These are not "protestant" but certainly fall within the pale of appearing as "Christian" to an uneducated observer.

My Sincere Apology:
So, what do we have? Cut out the Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican and Marginal Christian groups and you end up with 31,121 Protestant and Independent Protestant denominations. So, I sincerely apologize for being 1,879 too high when I said the number was 33,000. That works out to 5.6% in error. You all have my sincere apology (tongue in cheek):-)

By now, 7 years beyond 2,000 AD used by World Christian Encyclopedia, I suspect my number is now too low and maybe I should raise it to 39,000, the number listed on the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary site.

Now what do we find projected for 2025?
Here are the projections which you can also see on the Chart.

Catholics will go from 242 in 2000 to 245 in 2025. More rites loyal to Rome will be added. Hurrah!
Anglicans will go from 168 to 169.
Protestants Mainline denominations will go from 8,973 to 9,490.
Independent "protestant" churches will go from 22,148 to a whopping 49,431.
Marginals will go from 1,596 to 2,030.

Conclusion:
Looking at these numbers – with the charts provided so you can see for yourself – if someone wants to call me and the other Catholic apologists liars, then I would be very careful about anything else they tell you. And we may ask who really owes who an apology?

Now I put this to an end for I have more important things to do. I will let the opponent have the last word word since he'll take it anyway. Catholic apologists can continue to use 33,000+ as the number of denominations with confidence.

http://www.catholic-convert.com/2007/08/27/lo...
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#398794 Oct 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>That is not true,you should know that if I am painfully off the mark,and that my theology here is inaccurate that you have eevery right to correct as you see fit.I do not have the last word on this.
I want to tell you though,that it is not my own personal interpretation.
There is no if you are always painfully off the mark. Furthermore your individual beliefs are as large as your number for you have prescribed for yourself sola authority.

Tim: I know that Jesus is God in human form. I also know that the prayer goes, "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end." In Genesis, God says, "Let us make man in our own image." I know that the Virgin Mary was the mother of Christ. But, Jesus existed before Mary did. Not in human form, I'll grant you. It sounds like you embrace a modualist position--that is, you believe that God the Father becomes God the Son who becomes God the Holy Spirit. I know that Catholics do not, but to call Mary the Mother of God is to call Mary a goddess, because God's mother existed before God did (hence the label, mother). As Jesus says in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." The Father existed before creation, as did the Son and the Spirit.

J. Salza: Tim, if Jesus is God and Mary is Jesus' mother, than Mary is the Mother of God. Period. This does not mean Mary is the mother of Jesus' divinity. Not at all. Mary is the mother of the PERSON, Jesus Christ, who is God. We don't limit Mary's motherhood to Jesus' human nature. Do you call your mother the mother of your human nature only? No. Even though your mother did not give you your soul, she is still the mother of YOU, as a PERSON. Similarly, even though Mary did not give Jesus His soul or divinity, she still is His mother. This does not elevate Mary to a goddess anymore than it elevates your mother to a goddess, who participated in giving you an immortal soul. Your modalist point is way off base. Mary is the Mother of the Divine Person, Jesus Christ, who is God. Don't confuse the human and divine natures, but also don't reduce Mary's motherhood to Jesus' nature alone, and not His personhood.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/mary_qa.html...

You can find yourself in these heresies. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-great-here... As I have pointed out to you several times you are quick to judge others and even say they are not Christian, yet you maintain the right of private judgment and interpretation. You would have called Elizabeth a Mary Worshiper because she referred to the Blessed Virgin as "Adonia" My Lord and My God. In the never ending quest of Protestants to diminish Mary you repeat heresies, you try to redefine the Trinity and you really wonder why Muslims and Christians find you confusing? Who is Jesus? This is the question that is being addressed when Mary is given name "Theotokos" It is not making Mary into a goddess. You cannot tolerate the idea that Mary did not give birth to other children and totally butcher the Jewish tradition of family members taking in the Mother as was to Honor thy Father and Mother is entrenched in the Jewish custom to take care of their elderly parents. Jesus gave Mary to the care of John and this would have been unheard of.
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#398795 Oct 28, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no if you are always painfully off the mark. Furthermore your individual beliefs are as large as your number for you have prescribed for yourself sola authority.
Tim: I know that Jesus is God in human form. I also know that the prayer goes, "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end." In Genesis, God says, "Let us make man in our own image." I know that the Virgin Mary was the mother of Christ. But, Jesus existed before Mary did. Not in human form, I'll grant you. It sounds like you embrace a modualist position--that is, you believe that God the Father becomes God the Son who becomes God the Holy Spirit. I know that Catholics do not, but to call Mary the Mother of God is to call Mary a goddess, because God's mother existed before God did (hence the label, mother). As Jesus says in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." The Father existed before creation, as did the Son and the Spirit.
J. Salza: Tim, if Jesus is God and Mary is Jesus' mother, than Mary is the Mother of God. Period. This does not mean Mary is the mother of Jesus' divinity. Not at all. Mary is the mother of the PERSON, Jesus Christ, who is God. We don't limit Mary's motherhood to Jesus' human nature. Do you call your mother the mother of your human nature only? No. Even though your mother did not give you your soul, she is still the mother of YOU, as a PERSON. Similarly, even though Mary did not give Jesus His soul or divinity, she still is His mother. This does not elevate Mary to a goddess anymore than it elevates your mother to a goddess, who participated in giving you an immortal soul. Your modalist point is way off base. Mary is the Mother of the Divine Person, Jesus Christ, who is God. Don't confuse the human and divine natures, but also don't reduce Mary's motherhood to Jesus' nature alone, and not His personhood.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/mary_qa.html...
You can find yourself in these heresies. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-great-here... As I have pointed out to you several times you are quick to judge others and even say they are not Christian, yet you maintain the right of private judgment and interpretation. You would have called Elizabeth a Mary Worshiper because she referred to the Blessed Virgin as "Adonia" My Lord and My God. In the never ending quest of Protestants to diminish Mary you repeat heresies, you try to redefine the Trinity and you really wonder why Muslims and Christians find you confusing? Who is Jesus? This is the question that is being addressed when Mary is given name "Theotokos" It is not making Mary into a goddess. You cannot tolerate the idea that Mary did not give birth to other children and totally butcher the Jewish tradition of family members taking in the Mother as was to Honor thy Father and Mother is entrenched in the Jewish custom to take care of their elderly parents. Jesus gave Mary to the care of John and this would have been unheard of.
Just to clarify I meant to say Elizabeth referred to Mary as Mother of My Lord and My God "Adonia", because I know how the simpleton Protestants like to pick a singular thing and deflect from the point being made. I want to again thank the Protestants for bringing people to the Catholic Faith and showing your immense ignorance, hatred and unsurpassed ability to blather false witness and multiple doctrines unapolgetically and sparring with one another while maintaining in your delusional minds that you all believe the same. There is no greater witness that the Catholic Church is the true church and that you people are a massive collection of varied beliefs and are all in charge and there is no authority but you and what you think the bible says or may have meant inserting your own tradition and opinions. Sola Confusing.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#398796 Oct 28, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
<quoted text>
At first, I thought how refreshing it was that someone was asking me a question.
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Then I read your second part of your post, and you keep right on going to your "answer."
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Since you have already made up your mind on the matter, what on earth is the point of asking *me?*
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You certainly aren't interested in any info I might provide.
.
Rob
As a former Protestant----Rob--you have to understand, that bible only Protestants "are not interested" in learning the TRUTH--- but--ONLY--- in attacking the TRUTH-- and passing their "own personal opinion judgmental vengeance" (against) 2000 years of the historical and biblical TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#398797 Oct 28, 2012
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>It's about time someone figured out the math on this and realized the ridiculousness of such an accusation against the rest of the Body of Christ.
I understand that the Catholics feel they are under attack constantly,but to rationalize their stance by claiming the Prots and evangelicals have over 42,000 doctrines is nothing short of insanity,and disrespect to the Holy Spirit.
I'm quite sure that it has "exceeded 42,000" since you made your response!!
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#398798 Oct 28, 2012
hojo wrote:
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I'm quite sure that it has "exceeded 42,000" since you made your response!!
there are over 42,000 religions out there HoJo for sure.
many not of the christian faith.
If you keep with in the catholic doctrine, your religion is Maryism.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#398799 Oct 28, 2012
Oxbow wrote:
769<quoted text>
Oxbow wrote:
by Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)
to catholic's this woman does not exist Oxbow.

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