Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

confrinting with the word wrote:

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Parents are COMMANDED to teach their children THE WORD, not other religions. The Jews were commanded NOT to study the pagan religions, so I'm sure that God doesn't want me to teach them to my children.
"Fathers, don't provoke your children to anger." If we follow the teachings/manner of Jesus, we will not drive our children away from the truth. If one's trust is truly in the Lord, and he has errors in his belief, the Lord will correct his errors.
KayMarie

But yet you only teach them half of his teachings.

How is that giving those children the complete truth?

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

Osas7 wrote:

ETERNAL SECURITY
I. Definition: When a sinner in a moment of time believes once in the Lord Jesus Christ as his own personal Savior from the penalty of sin (eternal death), he is saved completely forever and can never be lost, no matter what he or anyone else does, even if he stops believing in Christ as Savior.
II. Approaches to Eternal Security:
A. The Bible never records even one instance of a believer’s loss of his salvation.
B. The Bible never records even one instance of a believer's being saved more than once.
C. Position in Christ.
1. Every human being is either "in Adam" or "in Christ." 1 Cor 15:22; John 3:36
2. Every believer is in union with Jesus Christ. Eph 1:4; Eph 2:13; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:26; Gal 3:27; Rom 6:3.
3. Our position in Christ is the basis of:
a. Redemption. Eph 1:7
b. Righteousness. 2 Cor 5:21
c. Sonship. Gal 3:26-27; Rom 8:16-17; John 1:12
d. Sanctification. 1 Cor 1:2; 1 Cor 1:30;
e. Resurrection at the Rapture. 1 Thess 4 :16
f. Eternal life. John 5:11-12; John 3:14-16; John 3:36; John 10:28; John 20:31
4. In union with Christ we are no longer subject to time (positionally). We share His eternal life (see f above).
5. In union with Christ there is no judgment. Rom 8:1
6. Because we are “in Christ,” God's love for us cannot be changed. Rom 8:35; Rom 8:38-39.
7. We are "preserved in Christ." Jude 1:1
8. Therefore, because of this wonderful position, every believer is just as eternally secure as the Lord Jesus is.
D. Logical Approach: God did the most for us when we were His enemies, and He will do much more for us since we are His friends (sons in Christ). Rom 5:8-10; Rom 5:15; Rom 5:17; Rom 5:20; Rom 8:32
E. Anthropomorphism Approach (Hand of God). The believer is said to be held in God's hand and He will never let go. John 10:27-29; Psa 37:24
F. Family Approach: We are born into God's Family and cannot be born out of it. Gal 3:26-27; John 1:12-13.
G. Inheritance Approach: We are joint-heirs with Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 1:4-5; Tit 3:5-7
http://www.chafer-cstn.org/BaseT/SOTER/Eterna...

*hands you a soapbox*

I just want to make sure you are prepared.

[Orville]

preston wrote:

<quoted text>able to keep you and you wanting to be kept are two diferent things.
you arent believable to me, i still remember your ignorance of the statement that was made in the garden and fulfilled that night concerning that jesus never lost any.lol
you didnt know what you wre talking about then and you aint learned nothing since.

Marge is to be your sister in Holy Jesus. And she posted the words of God which you snubbed.

hey Preson. I know a man who can recite the entire Bible. I would deny him acess to my home & property as his fruits are rotten. Really rotten. He thrives on hurting people. And he is real good at it.

[Osas7]

The Biblical Distinction Between Eternal Salvation And Eternal Rewards:
A Key to Proper Exegesis:

http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1996i/Wilki...

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

confrinting with the word wrote:

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Neither Moses, David nor Paul CONTINUED to sin.
KayMarie

You don't know - this accept what others have theorized.

Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

[Orville]

Truth wrote:

<quoted text>
OK, Chuckie,
I give you another chance at explaining scripture to you....
Philippians 2:12-13
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to <<<work out your>>> salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is <<<God who works in you>>> to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
VERSE 12***Work out your....who is working when there is salvation?
YOUR....OUR WORK....
VERSE 13***GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU....who is working in you?
GOD'S WORK....
**********
Our work...look at the words, "work out your salvation."
Now, look at God’s work....seen in the words....
Do you have the "do you have the do NOTHING faith???"
Is salvation the result of God’s work or our work?
Our salvation is a JOINT EFFORT between God and us!!!
**********
You are in CHARGE of your own health just as you are in CHARGE of your own salvation.
**********
Salvation is a JOINT EFFORT....God and you....
**********
"work out....."
to perform, accomplish, achieve
<<<<<to work out i.e. to do that from which something results>>>>>
~~~of things: bring about, result in~~~
to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing

Amen.

[MICHAEL]

confrinting with the word wrote:

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Parents are COMMANDED to teach their children THE WORD, not other religions. The Jews were commanded NOT to study the pagan religions, so I'm sure that God doesn't want me to teach them to my children.
"Fathers, don't provoke your children to anger." If we follow the teachings/manner of Jesus, we will not drive our children away from the truth. If one's trust is truly in the Lord, and he has errors in his belief, the Lord will correct his errors.
KayMarie

Sorry! We are all living in the real world. Billions of people indoctrinated into different beliefs, each taught their way is the right way.

There are many adults today who are Wiccans who teach their children wicca. Should they be condemned?

Todays news: Sept 12/2012

http://www.christianpost.com/news/wicca-exper...

One of the fastest growing beliefs in the world today. Pagan witchcraft.

http://blog.californiapsychics.com/blog/2011/...

Why should it matter to you what others do? It doesn't matter to me as long as they aren't pushing it on me and creating bullcrap.

[Osas7]

Why Teach About Rewards?

To emphasize our eternal significance. As God’s children, we enjoy a relationship with
Him now and in eternity. The quality of that relationship can be enhanced forever as a reward forour present and temporary lives. Rewards remind us that who we are outlasts this life. Rom. 8:17;
Heb. 11:16

To teach our responsibility in this life. That God rewards us for present choices makes
us accountable for those choices. Worthy actions, thoughts, and words will bear the fruit of reward
in eternity. Conversely, that which is unworthy will cause the loss of reward and shame. Rom. 14:10-
12; 1 John 2:28

To enhance our present life. Rewards are not only eternal; some begin in this life. They
can greatly increase the enjoyment of our present experience. Matt. 16:25; Mark 10:29-31

To appreciate God’s pleasure in giving rewards. God initiates rewards because He is
pleased to do so. And who are we to deny God pleasure? He delights to bless His children with goodthings. It is a common and commendable human urge to express appreciation for or reward good
behavior in our own children. Would we expect less from our heavenly Father? Matt. 6:6, 18; 25:21
To give the proper framework for interpreting the Bible.

Many rewards passages are
incorrectly interpreted as salvation passages.
This hopelessly confuses God’s free grace in salvation
with God’s earned rewards in the Christian’s life. The result is a theology that undermines faith
alone in Christ alone and the Christian’s assurance. For example, 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 is a rewardspassage that some wrongly interpret as a salvation passage. That would mean the apostle Paul lackedassurance, since he based it on his performance. Matt. 10:32-33; Rev. 2–3
To motivate us to do the good works which God purposes for us. Ephesians 2:10 says
God created us in Jesus Christ to do good works. While not the only motivation, rewards are one
way God encourages us to do what He wants. 1 Tim. 6:17-19; 2 John 2:8

To balance our concept of God’s justice. God punishes unbelievers according to the degree
of their evil deeds. It makes sense that He would also reward believers according to the goodness of
their deeds. If proportionate retribution curbs wickedness, then proportionate rewards cultivate
righteousness. 2 Cor. 5:10; Rev. 20:12; 22:12

To prepare us for eternal service. Since some rewards imply an increased capacity to
serve God and others, and if that capacity is carried into eternity, then they will help us better serveHim there. The Bible promises that we will reign with Jesus Christ. The extent of our rule is rewarded....
More here:
http://www.gracelife.org/resources/gracenotes...

[Chuck]

preston wrote:

Clarkes commentary on the Bible
As ye have always obeyed - Continue to act on the same principles and from the same motives; having the same disposition which was in Christ; laboring so as to promote his glory.
Work out your own salvation - Go on, walking by the same rule, and minding the same thing, till your salvation be completed: till, filled with love to God and man, ye walk unblamably in all his testimonies, having your fruit unto holiness, and your end everlasting life.
With fear and trembling - Considering the difficulty of the work, and the danger of miscarriage. If you do not watch, pray and continually depend on God, your enemies will surprise you, and your light and life will become extinct; and then consider what an awful account you must give to Him whose Spirit ye have grieved, and of whose glory ye have come short

"Continue to act on the same principles and from the same motives".
***all about us and we need to do this and this....no grace

"Go on, walking by the same rule"
***again...it's about what we do....no grace

**As sinful as man is, how can we possibly be responsible for our salvation. If we were responsible for it, we would lose it because we don't stop sinning.

[Chuck]

Truth wrote:

<quoted text>
OK, Chuckie,
I give you another chance at explaining scripture to you....
Philippians 2:12-13
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to <<<work out your>>> salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is <<<God who works in you>>> to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
VERSE 12***Work out your....who is working when there is salvation?
YOUR....OUR WORK....
VERSE 13***GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU....who is working in you?
GOD'S WORK....
**********
Our work...look at the words, "work out your salvation."
Now, look at God’s work....seen in the words....
Do you have the "do you have the do NOTHING faith???"
Is salvation the result of God’s work or our work?
Our salvation is a JOINT EFFORT between God and us!!!
**********
You are in CHARGE of your own health just as you are in CHARGE of your own salvation.
**********
Salvation is a JOINT EFFORT....God and you....
**********
"work out....."
to perform, accomplish, achieve
<<<<<to work out i.e. to do that from which something results>>>>>
~~~of things: bring about, result in~~~
to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing

Hank

I understand now how you think and what church you're from. It's ok...I get it.

[Fr_ Robert_Dye]

Father Free Mind wrote:

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Nice try but somehow I don't believe that website holds the same esteem within the Catholic community as www.Catholic.com and www.Catholicdoors.com .
But I am trying to understand. Are you saying that miracles such as Fatima do not merit any theological standing within the RCC?

No. That is NOT what I am saying.
To the best of my knowledge, the understanding of the Chuch is that if people wish to look into Fatima (by "Fatima," I am referring to all the events which seem to surround the alleged apparitions which are said to have occurred on the 13th day of six consecutive months in 1917, starting on May 13. The three children were Lúcia dos Santos and her cousins Jacinta and Francisco Marto), then that involvemet is not contrary to Catholic faith, as it does not contradict the Deposit of Faith.
Paragraphs 67 and 73 of the CCC are the pertinent paragraphs.
67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfilment, as is the case in certain nonChristian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such "revelations".
73 (The "Resumen") God has revealed himself fully by sending his own Son, in whom he has established his covenant for ever. the Son is his Father's definitive Word; so there will be no further Revelation after him.
If you read these, you will see that the position of the Church is that these events may be regarded as "worthy of belief," should a Catholic so desire to believe, but are not required elements of faith, should a Catholic choose NOT to believe.
The same would hold true of ANY alleged miracle of the age since the death of the last apostle.
The age of public revelation is complete in the proclamation of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
But what YOU seem to so clearly wish is for me to "admit" that when the Church has declared that an event "appears worthy of faith," (really, meaning that it does not appear in any way contrary to the deposit of faith), what it "really" means is that the Church "approves" faith in the even, meaning a declaration on the part of the Church that the even is "true." and is therefore part of the Catholic faith.
But there is a reason the CCC does not mention Fatima, or Lourdes, or Our Lady of Guadalupe, or "Eucharistic Miracles," or anything of the type. These may not be "contrary to the deposit of faith," but neither are they an essential part of the Catholic faith.
Peope may choose to completely ignore them, if they wish. Such individuals are still Catholic.
"A Pope has written extensivey on Fatima."
So what?
My response on that, an a fully Catholic one, too, can be, "On that, he's full of beans."
And I would still be Catholic.
Sorry if this does not fit your straw man idea of the Catholic faith, but this is the reality of the Catholic Faith as it *is,* rather than what you would like it to be.
As for my having trouble suffering fools gladly, try me on a day I *didn't* have a colonoscopy. I promise to try to do better.
Rob
]

[Osas7]

“‘We desire to love all men,’ meekly replied the venerable Briton; ‘and what we do for you, we will do for him also whom you call the pope. But he is not entitled to call himself the father of fathers, and the only submission we can render him is that which we owe to EVERY Christian.’”-The Briton reply to Augustine of Canterbury (7th Century), as found in J.H. Merle d’Aubigne, History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century, trans. Dr. H. White, Vol. V (Rapidan, VA: Harland Publications, reprinted 1846 London edition), pp. 684.

[Osas7]

"There is here a hiatus of unknown length in his life; a chasm, however, which his midiaeval biographers have filled up according to the liveliness of their fancy, or the supposed credulity of their readers. They wrote of his studying with St. Germain, and of his attending a monastery near the Mediterrenean, and finally of his going to Rome and receiving ordination from the pope. All these are mere inventions, and were not put forth till more than five hundred years after St. Patrick's death, and all of them are presented without a shadow of proof....In the establishment of his Church, St. Patrick in no instance ever appealed to any foreign Church [i.e., Rome, or anywhere else], pope or bishop. In his Epistle to Coroticus (sect. 1), he simply announces himself as bishop:'I, Patrick, an unlearned man, to wit, a bishop constituted in Ireland: what I am I have RECEIVED FROM GOD'...These well authenicated statements of St. Patrick concerning himself are wholly at variance with those of Probus and Joscelyn, who, for the first time, put forth their fabrications full five hundred years after his death. In regard to his studying with St. Germain at Tours, and of his going to Rome for ordination, all these stories were invented in the 10th or 12th century. Joscelyn, who wrote the fullest life of the saint, about A.D.1130, has, in one sense, really the praise or dispraise of bringing the Irish Church into that of Rome. The abbe, not being embarrassed with facts, dates, or contemporary history, wrote easily and readily, and presented a life of the Irish saint that exactly suited his times, in the beginning of the 12th century. He represented St. Patrick and the early Church of Ireland in the 5th century as exact models of his own in the 12th. This life of the saint was readily received and adopted as the only true one by the Roman Catholic Church, and it has ever been the 'storehouse' from which his numerous and papal biographers have drawn their materials. After the publication, and the general reception of this book, there was no hesitation in the full acknowledgment of all the Irish Christians, and of St. Patrick among them. Archbishop Usher, on the Religion of the Early Irish, asks (iv, 320):'Who among them [the early Irish] was ever canonized before St. Malachias, or Malachy, was?'(A.D. 1150). St. Patrick himself seems never to have been sainted till all Ireland was sainted or canonized." (McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol. VII, pp.774,775; article: Patrick, St.)

[Osas7]

"There is strong evidence that Patrick had no Roman commission in Ireland...As Patrick's churches in Ireland, like their brethren in Britain, REPUDIATED the supremacy of the popes, all knowledge of the conversion of Ireland through his ministry must be suppressed [by Rome]....There is not a written word from one of them [i.e., popes] rejoicing over Patrick's additions to their church, showing clearly that he was not a Roman missionary....Prosper does not notice Patrick....He says nothing of the greatest success ever given to a missionary of Christ, apparently because he [Patrick] was not a Romanist....Bede never speaks of St. Patrick in his celebrated 'Ecclesiastical History.'...So completely buried was Patrick and his work by popes and other Roman Catholics, that in their epistles and larger publications, his name does not once occur in one of them until A. D. 634." (William Cathcart, D. D., The Ancient British and Irish Churches, pp.83-85)

[Osas7]

Tertullian, ca 200 A.D., wrote "by this time, the varied races of the Gµtulians, and manifold confines of the Moors, all the limits of the Spains, and the diverse nations of the Gauls, and the haunts of the Britons (inaccessible to the Romans, but subjugated to Christ)...In all which places the name of Christ who is already come reigns." (Tertullian, Answer to the Jews, chap. vii.)

[Osas7]

"He (Patrick) never mentions either Rome or the pope or hints that he was in any way connected with the ecclesiastical capital of Italy. He recognizes no other authority but that of the word of God....When Palladius arrived in the country, it was not to be expected that he would receive a very hearty welcome from the Irish apostle. If he was sent by [pope] Celestine to the native Christians to be their primate or archbishop, no wonder that stout-hearted Patrick refused to bow his neck to any such yoke of bondage." (Dr. Killen, Ecclesiastical History of Ireland, vol.1, pp.12-15)

[Osas7]

“Palladius was so discouraged that he soon abandoned the field, with his assistants, for north Britain, where he died among the Picts… The Roman mission of Palladius failed; the independent mission of Patrick succeeded. He is the trueApostle of Ireland, and has impressed his memory in indelible characters upon the Irish race at home and abroad.”

Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 4, Ch. 2, Sect. 14,“The Conversion of Ireland”

[Fr_ Robert_Dye]

MICHAEL wrote:

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Why is it so important for Topix priest Father Free Mind to contact another priest Father Dye? What are they going to talk about? They are both on the same page.

Hardly.

"Father Free Mind" is some anti-Catholic individual who wanted me to give a "list" of "Church-approved miracles," so that he or she could launch into a screed.
Free Mind is not a priest.
Not even Catholic.

Rob

[Anthony MN]

MICHAEL wrote:

<quoted text>
Why is it so important for Topix priest Father Free Mind to contact another priest Father Dye? What are they going to talk about? They are both on the same page.

I think your buddy is questioning wether Fr. Dye is who he says he is. I think your buddy can easily settle any doubts he has by calling Fr. Dye. I think your buddy probably won't dare pick up the phone. I think you and your buddy are a lot alike.

[Chuck]

Truth wrote:

<quoted text>
OK, Chuckie,
I give you another chance at explaining scripture to you....
Philippians 2:12-13
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to <<<work out your>>> salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is <<<God who works in you>>> to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
VERSE 12***Work out your....who is working when there is salvation?
YOUR....OUR WORK....
VERSE 13***GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU....who is working in you?
GOD'S WORK....
**********
Our work...look at the words, "work out your salvation."
Now, look at God’s work....seen in the words....
Do you have the "do you have the do NOTHING faith???"
Is salvation the result of God’s work or our work?
Our salvation is a JOINT EFFORT between God and us!!!
**********
You are in CHARGE of your own health just as you are in CHARGE of your own salvation.
**********
Salvation is a JOINT EFFORT....God and you....
**********
"work out....."
to perform, accomplish, achieve
<<<<<to work out i.e. to do that from which something results>>>>>
~~~of things: bring about, result in~~~
to fashion i.e. render one fit for a thing

Hank said: Our salvation is a JOINT EFFORT between God and us!!!

In Christian theology, grace can be defined as the love and mercy given to us by God because God wants us to have it, not because of anything we have done to earn it. It is understood by Christians to be a spontaneous gift from God to man - "generous, free and totally unexpected and undeserved"

***your way of thinking makes it no longer grace.
lol...you have more things to sort out like baptism before you start talking eternal security.