Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

[7th Day Catholics Rock]

Anthony MN wrote:

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How many of the fundamentalists here think the SDA presents the truth of God's Holy Word?

If they present scriptuer their presenting the truth. I never said all understand it as of yet. What they need to understand is revealed to all who seek/search at Gods appointed time.

It is written:

Acts 17:11

King James Version (KJV)


11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

John ch:5

38And you have not his word abiding in you: for whom he has sent, him you believe not.

39Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40And you will not come to me, that you might have life.

41I receive not honor from men.

42But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Acts 13:27The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath.

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

Free Mind wrote:

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Are you OK/
All caps is new for you. Also, you missed what I wrote.
Here again -- "No, not "personally identifiable health information," "
I know a lot about HIPAA. I was addressing your professional Code of Ethics and extreme bias.
I'm sure your patients are all happy, but wouldn't it be fair to inform future patients about your extreme religious bias against born-agains, and how you may use their revelations to cast negativity on their deeply held beliefs?
With such negative bias, do you really believe it is ethical to see someone who you view so negatively.
I think not, but as I stated, it is not a HIPPA issue.

You assume I have a bias against Born Agains. I speak freely with people of all faiths. I do not turm them from their faith but encourage their development of their own faith in their own terms. Your assunptions run rampant.Bering cultural free and religious fre is part of my training in a Masters degree level. Any more discourse you would like to offer on this matter?

[Free Mind]

If you are catholic...

and you feel a need to validate your faith...

by "defending it" against "attacks"...

then this is the board for you...

because the title alone will invite attacks.

So keep validating your faith, and the beliefs of the attackers.

lol

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

Free Mind wrote:

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So this is how you usually "defend adeptly?"
Hope you are feeling better.

I defen wuith the history of the church, the writings of the fathers of the church,protestant Catholic and Orthodox Theoligians,those who have studies the history of the times of the books of the Bible, the writer and his style,his languagw, the culture,, etc. I have asked myself every challenge I can to Orthodoxy.I have read the Bible many times. I pray.I tru to live my life with guidance of the Holy Spirit. If you have more I can fo tell me. I do more than pick up a Bible and read it top fit my prejudices.

[truth]

''you are man not God''
''id'' entire destroy
be carefull from who can destroy life as well soul..did you sold your soul to whom?
not will be speare angels no demons..no any judge

''its will be ''one big nice cooking bread''..yep dwarf planet..Are you for sure confe you will be there?

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

Free Mind wrote:

If you are catholic...
and you feel a need to validate your faith...
by "defending it" against "attacks"...
then this is the board for you...
because the title alone will invite attacks.
So keep validating your faith, and the beliefs of the attackers.
lol

yuk yuk yuk The attackers are in no danger of being challenged due to cognitive dissonance.

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

Elliot N. Dorff: "In order to carry out the fundamentalist program in practice, one would need a perfect understanding of the ancient language of the original text, if indeed the true text can be discerned from among variants. Furthermore, human beings are the ones who transmit this understanding between generations. Even if one wanted to follow the literal word of God, the need for people first to understand that word necessitates human interpretation. Through that process human fallibility is inextricably mixed into the very meaning of the divine word. As a result, it is impossible to follow the indisputable word of God; one can only achieve a human understanding of God's will."

Exactly - men telling other men what to believe.

Or more accurately - eht esu fo fleS.

:o)

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

The Jewish Tradition which of course Christ was a part had a strong emphasis of being taught what the Scripture meant versus interpreyting uit for ionself.
Also there was an emphasis on Oral Tradition.

The Stages of Life in Education

The basic stages of one’s life are listed in the Mishnah Avot

5:21 which gives some idea of how the ancient individual was educated. Many of these date from ancient times. We see them applying to the life of Yeshuaas detailed in the gospels. At age five one is ready for the study of Scripture. We are told that the children were taught first from the Book of Leviticus for ritual purity and how to approach God by sacrifice and thenfrom the Book of Psalms concerning the nature of God, before they went on to other things. Possibly this is what Yeshua meant when He referred to people’s coming to Him as a child (Matthew 18:2-4) in child-likepurity. At the age of ten one was fit for the study of the words of the Oral Law, and at the age of thirteen one was old enough to fulfill the commandments. Some scholars believe it was the Oral Law which the ancientboys were questioned about on the steps of the Temple, as in the case of Yeshua (Luke 2). At the age of fifteen one was ready to study of the sages, at the age of eighteen, for marriage, and at the age of twenty, for pursuing a vocation. Yeshua is called both the son of Joseph the carpenter and Yeshua the carpenter (Book of Mark).

[Free Mind]

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>You assume I have a bias against Born Agains. I speak freely with people of all faiths. I do not turm them from their faith but encourage their development of their own faith in their own terms. Your assunptions run rampant.Bering cultural free and religious fre is part of my training in a Masters degree level. Any more discourse you would like to offer on this matter?

Sure, how many converts are you winning here with all your enlightened efforts?

Maybe this is a catharsis for you - "defending."

[Michael]

Free Mind wrote:

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Wait!!!
Are these Catholics saying that maybe Jesus didn't set this whole thing up after all?

Change then, change now.

If for some reason a Jesus does return, and catholics believe he will end up at the doorstep of a roman catholic church, he will be there bright and early on a saturday morning only finding the doors locked.

Who is making the decisions, Jesus or the hirearchy?

Jesus would say "whats a rosary? what are prayers for the dead? What is purgatory? "My mother wasn't a virgin ask my brothers"!

Jesus has a lot to catch up on, and I thought he was the one making all the polices and precedures.

The ole catholic church, she ain't what she use to be!

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

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Exactly - men telling other men what to believe.
Or more accurately - eht esu fo fleS.
:o)

And here is the men who taught the men of the Born Agains who claim they follow only Scripture.
“FATHERS” OF THE BORN AGAIN FAITH
LUTHER, ZWINGLI, AND CALVIN
LOLLARDY followers of JOHN WYCLIF
JONATHAN EDWARDS, GEORGE WHITEFIELD, AND JOHN WESLEY
CHARLES PARHAM (1873-1929), THE FOUNDER OF BETHEL BIBLE COLLEGE IN TOPEKA, KANSAS, AND WILLIAM SEYMOUR (1870-1922), AN AFRICAN AMERICAN HOLINESS EVANGELIST FROM LOUISIANA
It really is useless posting. You keep marching to the same oldsongbook

[Michael]

truth wrote:

''you are man not God''
''id'' entire destroy
be carefull from who can destroy life as well soul..did you sold your soul to whom?
not will be speare angels no demons..no any judge
''its will be ''one big nice cooking bread''..yep dwarf planet..Are you for sure confe you will be there?

Boohga BOOHGA!

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

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Exactly - men telling other men what to believe.
Or more accurately - eht esu fo fleS.
:o)

You miss this part.oucannot interpret the Biblle without hearing from men. That is the point.
"Even if one wanted to follow the literal word of God, the need for people first to understand that word necessitates human interpretation.'

[Hermeneutics Smutics]

Free Mind wrote:

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Sure, how many converts are you winning here with all your enlightened efforts?
Maybe this is a catharsis for you - "defending."

It is unethical to try to convert someone in therapy. Thought you would know that. my postb was clear. facilitate their development of their own faith whatever that is.

[marge]

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>You assume I have a bias against Born Agains. I speak freely with people of all faiths. I do not turm them from their faith but encourage their development of their own faith in their own terms. Your assunptions run rampant.Bering cultural free and religious fre is part of my training in a Masters degree level. Any more discourse you would like to offer on this matter?

I don't want you to take this the wrong way i'm sure your a fine therapist but born-agains would seek advice only from other born-agains.

[Portal]

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>I guess Satan being bound for a Thousand years is distortion of your mind as well and then loosend for a short season to temp the nations.
Get behind me Satan !!!

The 3 Cs....Catholic + church = cult. Why? The Bible tells us so.....

[marge]

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>Did Jesus or anyone form their church around this single passage?re there any so called Born Agains in Jesus' time or in the time of the first church. If all the other viewpoints were captured and the Born Again was not why was it not if it existed?

Read it again Hermi, Jesus was telling the 'teacher' he must be born-again to see the kingdom of God. Nicodemas could not 'teach' about something he could not see.

And of course all the disciples and everyone who believed back then were born-again.

[confrinting with the word]

"Anthony MN"

You're a damned liar.
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What 'bible' do you get your language from? Few Protestants would stoop to that...
KayMarie

[marge]

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>And here is the men who taught the men of the Born Agains who claim they follow only Scripture.
“FATHERS” OF THE BORN AGAIN FAITH
LUTHER, ZWINGLI, AND CALVIN
LOLLARDY followers of JOHN WYCLIF
JONATHAN EDWARDS, GEORGE WHITEFIELD, AND JOHN WESLEY
CHARLES PARHAM (1873-1929), THE FOUNDER OF BETHEL BIBLE COLLEGE IN TOPEKA, KANSAS, AND WILLIAM SEYMOUR (1870-1922), AN AFRICAN AMERICAN HOLINESS EVANGELIST FROM LOUISIANA
It really is useless posting. You keep marching to the same oldsongbook

Not true but your hoping it's true, what a way to live, later.

[New Age Spiritual Leader]

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>You miss this part.oucannot interpret the Biblle without hearing from men. That is the point.
"Even if one wanted to follow the literal word of God, the need for people first to understand that word necessitates human interpretation.'

I didn't miss it - I understand what you are saying.

But your logic is incomplete, because men are fallible, thus fallible men cannot interpret "God" accurately.

With this added point - your point is no longer valid, because one then cannot discern what "God".

Which brings me to my agreement with you - men telling other men what to believe - a circle that only gullible men are part of.