Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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You do not belong to the "catholic" or "universal" Church. The people who gave the name "catholic" to the "universal" Church believed what the apostles and the Church taught. You reject it.
No, you and your kind reject it and I reject you and your kind. Got it!!!
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<quoted text>Don't you love how they changed even that basic word catholic? Political endeavors can be good,but when it took over the early church in Rome,it changed the meaning of a lot of things.Things were changed so much,that apparitions of Mary were needed to confirm Roman Catholic Dogma,and through the centuries those confirmations brought the excessive worship of Mary.
Today we now have Roman Catholics calling Mary the spouse of the Holy Spirit,and even though the Papacy is careful not to make it dogma,the Catholics are following Marian doctrines with great devotion.She is particularly used in Catholic circles to confirm those doctrines which bring great division to the whole Body of Christ.When Christians who are protestant leave and go "HOME" to the RCC they must have a long debate within themselves as to saying the Rosary,and giving much devotion to Mary.
Loving Mary is not the question,it is embracing the Marian doctrines that cause the division,the RCs claim is not a characteristic of their "Church".
Roman Catholic Doctrines divide the Body more than anything else,and they say the prots are all confused and whatnot,but some of their doctrines divide moreso than some little argument over baptism or whether the rapture is before the great tribulation,or mid.
The very fact that RCs call us sola scriptura,is a DOOR which leads to their rejection of the Authority of Holy Scripture,which they falsely claim they WROTE."Without us you would not even have a Bible." How sad that they limit God,in that He used them,not to subjugate the rest of the Body,but to serve it and encourage it by the Living Word of God.Now they tell us that they alone can interpret it.But at the same time they parade around in pomp,with statues on pedestals,kneeling before ornate altars,rather than to just pray on their knees in the Presence of the UNSEEN Father of Lights.
They have yet to deal with their own bastions of liberal Catholics who want to bring their church into God knows what,and yet they claim we are so divided.But we just want to be Christians,no longer are we eager to call ourselves Protestants,unless the RCC makes its appeal that we should all forsake our communities and bind ourselves to the most political and bureaucratic Church in the world.
Pad, well said. Unfortunately for me I sometimes jump down the throat of these poor people. They really do not know any better. Jumping on them for their ignorance is like chewing out a blind man for not being able to see. When I am feeling the urge to jump I should shut off my computer.

Have a great Memorial Day Weekend. OldJG

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Wrong.
I. The Elders of the Church are Called "Fathers" and the Faithful "Children"
Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, "call no man father." But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests "father." This is an example of "eisegesis" (imposing one's views upon a passage) as opposed to "exegesis" (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.
Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.
Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means "communicating one's nature," and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.
Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the "Father." We are fathers in the Father.
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called "fathers." Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don't Protestants call their pastors "father?"
1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, "I became your father in Christ Jesus."
1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful "child" in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his "children" the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy's service to him as a son serves a "father."
1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders' ministry to the people like a father with his children.
1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true "child" in the faith and his son.
Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true "child" in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.
Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the "father" of Onesimus.
Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly "fathers." But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).
1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his "son."
1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church "fathers."
1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church "children."
1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their "father."
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priestho...
You say this is wrong:
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

I had no idea your Divinity is greater than God's!!!!! Would you be so kind as to edit and correct these verses for us......
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Why would an all merciful God allow such agony and suffering to happen in the first place to people who through no fault of their own contacted these diseases?
Where was this holy spirit? For big plagues you need the services of all 3 persons in God........never happened.
No sense waiting for Jesus to return, long before then we will become extinct.....and his services will no longer be required.
If you believe God has always been with no beginnng and Jesus had one task to perform 2,000 years ago, what was the purpose of Jesus long before mankind evolved? Long before the universe formed?.........makes no common sense........right?.....right!
Sin is the cause of all suffering. God is not the author of any suffering. None. When sin entered our world it began to deteriorate and continues to deteriorate. One day Jesus will come and make all things new. Until then evil will reign. It does not make any difference whether you believe this or not. One day, when you stand before Jesus, and you will stand before Jesus, you will be asked to give an account of what you believed or did not believe about Him.

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Wrong.
VI. The Church is Hierarchical
Matt. 16:18; 18:18 - Jesus uses the word "ecclesia" only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church.
Acts 20:17,28 - Paul refers to both the elders or priests ("presbyteroi") and the bishops ("episkopoi") of the Church. Both are ordained leaders within the hierarchical structure of the Church.
1 Cor. 12:28 - God Himself appoints the various positions of authority within the Church. As a loving Father, God gives His children the freedom and authority to act with charity and justice to bring about His work of salvation.
Eph. 4:11 - the Church is hierarchical and includes apostles, prophets, pastors, and teachers, all charged to build up the Church. The Church is not an invisible entity with an invisible foundation.
Phil. 1:1 - Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles.
1 Tim. 3:1; Titus 1:7 - Christ's Church has bishops ("episkopoi") who are direct successors of the apostles. The bishops can trace the authority conferred upon them back to the apostles.
1 Tim. 5:17; Titus 1:5; James 5:14 - Christ's Church also has elders or priests ("presbyteroi") who serve the bishops.
1 Tim. 3:8 - Christ's Church also has deacons ("diakonoi"). Thus, Jesus Christ's Church has a hierarchy of authority - bishops, priests and deacons, who can all trace their lineage back to Peter and the apostles.
Exodus 28:1 and 19:6 – shows the three offices of the Old Testament priesthood (1). high priest – Aaron (Ex. 28:1); (2). Ministerial priests – Aaron’s sons (Ex. 19:6; 28:1); and (3). Universal priests – Israel (Ex. 19:6). The New Testament priesthood also has three offices:(1) High Priest – Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1); (2) Ministerial priests – the ordained bishops and priests (Rom. 15:16; 1 Tim. 3:1,8; 5:17; Titus 1:7); and (3) Universal priests - all the baptized (1 Pet. 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6).
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_church.h...
The Papacy and Priesthood
In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church. Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5).
Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural.

I had no idea your Divinity is greater than God's!!!! Please correct the quoted Scripture for us....
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God doesn't need to 'made real'. HE IS.
God is the CREATOR.
He not only created this Earth you enjoy, but He created all on and in it, including us.
HE created all the planets, the entire Universe.... yet you claim He needs to 'made real'?
So whats the purpose for the other pile of rock planets and the universe that he created that is filled with trillions of balls of gas called stars that serve no purpose what so ever?

Things evolved and the universe is still exanding.....I thought educated people knew that? Oh well!(lol)
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Are you that ignorant??????????Based on the way you post you must be. The ORIGINAL church was JEWISH CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!! NOT ONE GENTILE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH. NOT ONE!!! All of the disciples were JEWS. Jesus was a JEW. All of the writers of the Bible were Jews with the exception of Luke. JEWS..JEWS..JEWS
Try reading Acts 2. Try real hard. Here is a good beginning.
Acts 2:5, "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven." As you read further in Acts 2 you will read a word called proselytes. A proselyte is a convert, a gentile converted to Judaism. JEWS.
Have you ever heard of JERUSALEM!! You know......the city in Israel. JERUSALEM was the center of Christianity until your cousins moved it to Rome. Then the founder of your catholic cult, Constantine, moved the center of imperial power to Constantinople. Get a book and get a clue. It is impossible to remain as ignorant about all of this as you are. IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Hey Old Jaw Bone, did the Church Jesus found not include gentiles? Or did He found a Church with 12 Jewish followers and stop there?
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That's because we use all of scripture. The bible-only crowd only uses parts of it...there's less for them to copy and paste!
all the scriptures you say...... including the autrocities by God.......Why do you never post any of these writings, right from the holy bible?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald...

Back in the old days God didn't like a lot of people, he just had them done away with.

I thought he was an ALL LOVING GOD.........

......we were wrong!
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Yes, you're right, JG.
"justachristian1" you have a blessed Memorial Day Weekend.

THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE UNASHAMED

You, "justachristian1", are a part of the Fellowship of the Unashamed. You have the Holy Spirit Power. The die has been cast. You have stepped over the line. The decision has been made. You are a disciple of Jesus Christ. You won't look back, let up, slow down, back away, or be still. Your past is redeemed, your present makes sense, and your future is secure. You are finished and done with low living, sight walking, small planning, smooth knees, colorless dreams, tame visions, mundane talking, chintzy giving, and dwarfed goals. You no longer need preeminence, prosperity, position, promotions, or popularity. You don't have to be right, first, tops, recognized, praised,regarded, or rewarded. You now live by presence, learn by faith, love by patience, lift by prayer, and labor by power. Your pace is set. Your gait is fast. Your goal is Heaven. Your road is narrow. Your way is rough and your companions few. Your Guide is reliable. Your mission is clear. You cannot be bought, compromised, deterred, lured away, turned back, diluted, or delayed. You will not flinch in the face of sacrifice. You will not hesitate in the presence of adversity. You will not negotiate at the table of the enemy. You will not ponder at the pool of popularity, or meander in the maze of mediocrity. You will not give up, back up, let up, or shut up until you have preached up, prayed up, paid up, stored up, and stayed up for the cause of Christ. You are a disciple of Jesus Christ. You must give until you drop, preach until everyone knows, and work until He comes. And when He comes to get His own, He will have no problem recognizing you. Your colors will be clear. As Paul said and so you have said: "I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.."(Romans 1:16)
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Are you that ignorant??????????Based on the way you post you must be. The ORIGINAL church was JEWISH CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!! NOT ONE GENTILE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH. NOT ONE!!! All of the disciples were JEWS. Jesus was a JEW. All of the writers of the Bible were Jews with the exception of Luke. JEWS..JEWS..JEWS
Try reading Acts 2. Try real hard. Here is a good beginning.
Acts 2:5, "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven." As you read further in Acts 2 you will read a word called proselytes. A proselyte is a convert, a gentile converted to Judaism. JEWS.
Have you ever heard of JERUSALEM!! You know......the city in Israel. JERUSALEM was the center of Christianity until your cousins moved it to Rome. Then the founder of your catholic cult, Constantine, moved the center of imperial power to Constantinople. Get a book and get a clue. It is impossible to remain as ignorant about all of this as you are. IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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Hey Old Jaw Bone, did the Church Jesus found not include gentiles? Or did He found a Church with 12 Jewish followers and stop there?
The original church Jesus Christ founded DID NOT include Gentiles. Read the Bible. We Gentiles were grafted in later. The original church began at Pentecost. No Gentiles. All Jews.

Did you know Jesus Christ did not come for the Gentiles in the beginning? Have you ever read this verse?

Matthew 15:34, "But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

YOUR QUOTE, "Or did He found a Church with 12 Jewish followers and stop there?" END QUOTE.

Again, another foolish statement. You said the church was originally "catholic". I said it was not. The original Christian church consisted of JEWS only. No Gentiles.
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Anthony MN wrote:
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Incorrect.

Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults.“Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes”(primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.

Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.
Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word "household" comes from the Greek word "oikos" which is a household that includes infants and children.
Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia's faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents' faith, not the children's faith.
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Acts 2:39
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39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

You and your children, Peter is referring to the next generation not an infant .

TEKNON refers in general to offspring-- really of any age-- BUT it would
seem that the Timothy passage deals with younger children while the Titus
passage deals with children old enough to be rebellious and "sowing the wild oats". IMO only adult children can violate Titus 1:6, whereas younger
children (as well as older) could be out of control (1 Ti:m 3-5). Other
Greek words are used to describe tiny children and infants. TEKNON stresses relationships. You are not always a infant but you are always someone's child.
The Greek is ‘BREPHOS” and is translated “infants” in Luke 18:15, and also as “babe” in Luke 2:12,16.

First, I don’t see anything in these verses that has to do with infants. The Greek word for “infants,” also translated “babe or baby” is “BREPHOS.” This Greek word appears nowhere in Mark 10:13-15.

Secondly, Where does it say anything about BAPTISM in these verses?
“And they brought YOUNG CHILDREN to him; that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.”(V. 13

“But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them. Suffer the LITTLE CHILDREN to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.(V.14).

“Verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a LITTLE CHILD, he shall not enter therein.”(V.15).

Will you show me anywhere in God’s Word where Christ ever baptized anyone, let alone babies; or, where a baby (infant) was ever baptized in the Bible.

Acts 10:47-48
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47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
They received the Holy Spirit(born again) before baptism in water,

Anthony please stop and find out what you are posting before you do. First year bible students understand scripture's better then you.
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No, you and your kind reject it and I reject you and your kind. Got it!!!
Really? Give me some extra-biblical Christian witnesses in the first 1000 years that have the same beliefs as fundamentalist evangelical protestants. If you can do that, I'll shut up and go away.
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You say this is wrong:
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I had no idea your Divinity is greater than God's!!!!! Would you be so kind as to edit and correct these verses for us......
I guess you just called your father 'old man'.
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The Papacy and Priesthood
In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church. Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5).
Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural.
I had no idea your Divinity is greater than God's!!!! Please correct the quoted Scripture for us....
Excuse me, but since when is a person who denies Christ a Christian?
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Hey Old Jaw Bone, did the Church Jesus found not include gentiles? Or did He found a Church with 12 Jewish followers and stop there?
The first disciple Jesus called were Jews.
Luke was a Greek a believer who traveled with Paul.
Luke was Paul's (of Tarsus) Physician, travelling companion, and biographer. And since Paul never met Jesus personally, then Luke probably did not walk with Jesus either.

Mark is a relative
of Barnabas. Remember him? The one who was not chosen to replace Judas by the drawing of the lots. Matthew was chosen instead. So Mark very much probably walked with Jesus.

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"justachristian1" you have a blessed Memorial Day Weekend.
THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE UNASHAMED
You, "justachristian1", are a part of the Fellowship of the Unashamed. You have the Holy Spirit Power. The die has been cast. You have stepped over the line. The decision has been made. You are a disciple of Jesus Christ. You won't look back, let up, slow down, back away, or be still. Your past is redeemed, your present makes sense, and your future is secure. You are finished and done with low living, sight walking, small planning, smooth knees, colorless dreams, tame visions, mundane talking, chintzy giving, and dwarfed goals. You no longer need preeminence, prosperity, position, promotions, or popularity. You don't have to be right, first, tops, recognized, praised,regarded, or rewarded. You now live by presence, learn by faith, love by patience, lift by prayer, and labor by power. Your pace is set. Your gait is fast. Your goal is Heaven. Your road is narrow. Your way is rough and your companions few. Your Guide is reliable. Your mission is clear. You cannot be bought, compromised, deterred, lured away, turned back, diluted, or delayed. You will not flinch in the face of sacrifice. You will not hesitate in the presence of adversity. You will not negotiate at the table of the enemy. You will not ponder at the pool of popularity, or meander in the maze of mediocrity. You will not give up, back up, let up, or shut up until you have preached up, prayed up, paid up, stored up, and stayed up for the cause of Christ. You are a disciple of Jesus Christ. You must give until you drop, preach until everyone knows, and work until He comes. And when He comes to get His own, He will have no problem recognizing you. Your colors will be clear. As Paul said and so you have said: "I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.."(Romans 1:16)
Thank you, JG. wonderful accolades, but really, I am not anywhere near the perfection God wants!!! Thank you for your confidence in me, but I am still a mere human being who makes a lot of mistakes. But I hope to keep learning along the way.
May God continue to bless you and yours richly, Brother.
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Are you that ignorant??????????Based on the way you post you must be. The ORIGINAL church was JEWISH CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!! NOT ONE GENTILE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH. NOT ONE!!! All of the disciples were JEWS. Jesus was a JEW. All of the writers of the Bible were Jews with the exception of Luke. JEWS..JEWS..JEWS
Try reading Acts 2. Try real hard. Here is a good beginning.
Acts 2:5, "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven." As you read further in Acts 2 you will read a word called proselytes. A proselyte is a convert, a gentile converted to Judaism. JEWS.
Have you ever heard of JERUSALEM!! You know......the city in Israel. JERUSALEM was the center of Christianity until your cousins moved it to Rome. Then the founder of your catholic cult, Constantine, moved the center of imperial power to Constantinople. Get a book and get a clue. It is impossible to remain as ignorant about all of this as you are. IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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The original church Jesus Christ founded DID NOT include Gentiles. Read the Bible. We Gentiles were grafted in later. The original church began at Pentecost. No Gentiles. All Jews.
Did you know Jesus Christ did not come for the Gentiles in the beginning? Have you ever read this verse?
Matthew 15:34, "But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
YOUR QUOTE, "Or did He found a Church with 12 Jewish followers and stop there?" END QUOTE.
Again, another foolish statement. You said the church was originally "catholic". I said it was not. The original Christian church consisted of JEWS only. No Gentiles.
Jesus founded the Church. The Church is open to everyone who believes, Jews and gentiles. "...make disciples of ALL nations, baptizing them..." That is the teaching of Jesus. That is the Church He founded. It's 'catholic' or 'universal'.

Jesus did not found denominational protestantism.

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Are you that ignorant??????????Based on the way you post you must be. The ORIGINAL church was JEWISH CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!! NOT ONE GENTILE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CHURCH. NOT ONE!!! All of the disciples were JEWS. Jesus was a JEW. All of the writers of the Bible were Jews with the exception of Luke. JEWS..JEWS..JEWS
Try reading Acts 2. Try real hard. Here is a good beginning.
Acts 2:5, "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven." As you read further in Acts 2 you will read a word called proselytes. A proselyte is a convert, a gentile converted to Judaism. JEWS.
Have you ever heard of JERUSALEM!! You know......the city in Israel. JERUSALEM was the center of Christianity until your cousins moved it to Rome. Then the founder of your catholic cult, Constantine, moved the center of imperial power to Constantinople. Get a book and get a clue. It is impossible to remain as ignorant about all of this as you are. IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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The original church Jesus Christ founded DID NOT include Gentiles. Read the Bible. We Gentiles were grafted in later. The original church began at Pentecost. No Gentiles. All Jews.
Did you know Jesus Christ did not come for the Gentiles in the beginning? Have you ever read this verse?
Matthew 15:34, "But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
YOUR QUOTE, "Or did He found a Church with 12 Jewish followers and stop there?" END QUOTE.
Again, another foolish statement. You said the church was originally "catholic". I said it was not. The original Christian church consisted of JEWS only. No Gentiles.
Another AMEN to that, JG!

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Yes, stick your fingers in your ears and keep repeating it...and hope your nice SBC pastor is right.
Impossible to refute the truth!!!!

Worth repeating:
Its hard to believe that you can be that stupid!!!!
fornication..porneia, harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication.
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Acts 2:39
King James Version (KJV)
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
You and your children, Peter is referring to the next generation not an infant .
TEKNON refers in general to offspring-- really of any age-- BUT it would
seem that the Timothy passage deals with younger children while the Titus
passage deals with children old enough to be rebellious and "sowing the wild oats". IMO only adult children can violate Titus 1:6, whereas younger
children (as well as older) could be out of control (1 Ti:m 3-5). Other
Greek words are used to describe tiny children and infants. TEKNON stresses relationships. You are not always a infant but you are always someone's child.
The Greek is ‘BREPHOS” and is translated “infants” in Luke 18:15, and also as “babe” in Luke 2:12,16.
First, I don’t see anything in these verses that has to do with infants. The Greek word for “infants,” also translated “babe or baby” is “BREPHOS.” This Greek word appears nowhere in Mark 10:13-15.
Secondly, Where does it say anything about BAPTISM in these verses?
“And they brought YOUNG CHILDREN to him; that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.”(V. 13
“But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them. Suffer the LITTLE CHILDREN to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.(V.14).
“Verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a LITTLE CHILD, he shall not enter therein.”(V.15).
Will you show me anywhere in God’s Word where Christ ever baptized anyone, let alone babies; or, where a baby (infant) was ever baptized in the Bible.
Acts 10:47-48
New King James Version (NKJV)
47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
They received the Holy Spirit(born again) before baptism in water,
Anthony please stop and find out what you are posting before you do. First year bible students understand scripture's better then you.
Thanks for your opinion. The early Church baptized infants because Jesus said it is necessary for salvation and because the the aposltes told them to. We have the proof.

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