Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 649693 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#354941 May 8, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Sola scriptura as everything to do with it. It's your doctrine, you either abide by it or you don't.
The fact is Jesus gave us the command to baptize. You guys reject the efficacy of baptism, refuse to believe in the savific nature of baptism, ignore the overwhelming evidence of Christian teaching on baptism, and then, even though you're forced to admit your doctrine of sola scriptura doesn't support your contention that unbaptized babies will go to heaven, you insist it doesn't matter because God wouldn't dare make you responsible for ignoring Christ's clear command.
Horse apples...

Baptism is the holy ordinance by which persons are admitted as members of the Christian community. It is administered in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and is a visible and public profession of faith in Christ and his salvation, of vital union with him, of the obligation to live a new life according to his precepts and in his service, and of the expectation of sharing in his glorious and heavenly immortality.

It is not by any means to be regarded as a regenerating ordinance, though significant of regeneration. It was established in the Christian church by Christ and his apostles, and is binding on his followers to the end of time. The use of water in this ordinance is grounded in part on its qualities as the great element of purification, and on the rites of the ancient dispensation, in which "water and blood: were the divinely appointed symbols of moral renovation and atonement.
truth

Bertram, Australia

#354942 May 8, 2012
ti koji svijetlis=light
sa perfekcijom

&fe ature=related

e sto sve nisu radili od nas i bliznji i daljni i prijatelji i neprijatelji i vlast i necast

kako cete ih zvat
prokletnici
ili kako
dat im blagoslov

Since: Dec 11

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#354943 May 8, 2012
What we do know is that the infant has the Holy Spirit. The infant has a soul. Please show me the evidence that shows the interactions between this child's soul and Christ. Apparently you know the interaction. Apparently you know how the Holy Spirit and Christ connectas with a child.Please show the evidence that the SOUL that an infant child is incapable of some form of faith. Apparently we know what the SOUL of an infant is capable of.I thought Christ can reach into the soul of a child. He is God. He is love.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#354944 May 8, 2012
OldJG wrote:
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Anthony MN, you are telling us God changed? Under the Old Covenant baptism was not required for salvation but under the New Covenant it is required for salvation. Is this your belief?
It would seem God has changed His mind in as much some were baptized and others were not. Why did God change His mind?
We thought the New Covenant was the Covenant of Grace and the Old Covenant was the Law. Your saying God requires more of us under Grace for salvation than He did under the Law for salvation? Are you sure?
Anthony MN wrote:
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In the Old Covenenant it was circumcision and lots more, so actually, if you knew anything about Mosaic Law, you would know that it was much stricter.
Anthony MN, if baptism was not required for salvation under the Old Covenant but salvation is required under the New Covenant, how can the Old Covenant be more strict? Isn't salvation plus baptism more strict than salvation with no baptism?

Circumcision? Was this for males or were females included? I was thinking, if baptism replaced circumcision and baptism is required for salvation, then all females must be destined for hell because they were not circumcized? Or were they?
truth

Bertram, Australia

#354945 May 8, 2012
liar
&fe ature=related

i kad ce opet biti napad na nas
kad cete nas opet tuci i progonitiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
zatvarat
i sve po redu
pocelo u bolnici
''25'' year ago
nikad niste pristali napostovati mene i moju djecu i moju obitelj
trazili ste u slabijem da obori onog tko vjeruje
a onaj tko vjeruje ima cvrstu vjeru
sto napadaci i prokletije od zakona imajuuuuuuuuuuu

sto imaju protiv mene
znaju oni
kome su dusu dali

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#354946 May 8, 2012
Michael wrote:
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When catholics can't answer something, they fall back on those old reliable sayings......"ITS A MYSTERY".... or ...."GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS"
......were not suppose to know.(lol)
And yet "Catholics" think they do.

The dishonesty of Christianity.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#354947 May 8, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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lol, you can always tell when they're feeling the heat, they're fangs come out. What a stiff-necked brood of vipers! Sola scriptura, my foot.
Maybe you shouldn't put your neck out there then.

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#354948 May 8, 2012
OldJG wrote:
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Actually Scripture does not say trees are green, the sky is blue, the ocean is deep and the sun is bright but that does not alter the fact that trees are green, the sky is blue, the ocean is deep and the sun is bright does it?
Mark Twain once wrote, "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
Gee. Did it ever occur to you that if not everything that is real is not in the Bible, that things may be real that are not specuified in writing that you just made the Case for Tradition.
truth

Bertram, Australia

#354949 May 8, 2012
you want death
then you go in hell with that blessing

i asked
jesus who do that
i have answear
cesarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr as well priest to
whichoneeeeeeeee

ruleeeeeeeeee and principality of this world darknesss of them within themmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
shout up
evil people
''umukni pogani jezice''

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#354950 May 8, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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"In the Old Covenant, the righteous who died awaited the coming of the Messiah. When Christ came, by His death and resurrection, He opened the gates of heaven to those righteous." End quote.
"Please provide Scripture for this event."
Look up "Bosom of Abraham", familiarize yourself with the Jewish beliefs of the time and Luke 16.
"Your quote, "In the New Covenant established by Christ, baptism replaces circumcision." End quote.
Interesting. Please provide a Biblical reference. Thanks."
Col. 2:11–12
Col. 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

In whom also ye are circumcised:
All that was designed by circumcision, literally performed, is accomplished in them that believe through the Spirit and power of Christ. It is not a cutting off of a part of the flesh, but a putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, through the circumcision of Christ; he having undergone and performed this, and all other rites necessary to qualify him to be a mediator between God and man; for, being made under the law, he was subject to all its ordinances, and every act of his contributed to the salvation of men. But by the circumcision of Christ, the operation of his grace and Spirit may be intended; the law required the circumcision of the flesh, the Gospel of Christ required the circumcision of the heart.

–12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Buried with him in baptism; by openly renouncing sin, and publicly professing to hate and forsake it; thus showing their deadness to its reigning power. Risen with him; from their death in sin, by believing on him, and thus experiencing in their own persons the same divine power which raised Christ from the dead.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#354951 May 8, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
What we do know is that the infant has the Holy Spirit. The infant has a soul. Please show me the evidence that shows the interactions between this child's soul and Christ. Apparently you know the interaction. Apparently you know how the Holy Spirit and Christ connectas with a child.Please show the evidence that the SOUL that an infant child is incapable of some form of faith. Apparently we know what the SOUL of an infant is capable of.I thought Christ can reach into the soul of a child. He is God. He is love.
Hermi, sorry. We do not know the infant has the Holy Spirit? We all are born with a spirit but not necessarily holy. We are all body, soul and spirit, right?

Hermi, the Holy Spirit is God in us. Jesus Christ was God with us.

Did Jesus tell us He would leave us an Advocate? The Holy Spirit.

Soul? Isn't our soul our personality and emotions. Does Christ connect with our soul or our spirit? I believe you you meant spirit, right?

When do we receive the Holy Spirit? At salvation.

The apostle Paul clearly taught that we receive the Holy Spirit the moment we receive Jesus Christ as our Savior. First Corinthians 12:13 declares,“For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” Romans 8:9 tells us that if a person does not possess the Holy Spirit, he or she does not belong to Christ:“You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.” Ephesians 1:13-14 teaches us that the Holy Spirit is the seal of salvation for all those who believe:“Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.”

These three passages make it clear that the Holy Spirit is received at the moment of salvation.

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#354952 May 8, 2012
What did John really mean? there sre verses that can be taken different ways.I wish he were here to explain.Oh wait Polycarp knew him. And he wrote down what he was taught. Nawwwwwwwww.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#354953 May 8, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Sin cannot enter heaven.
I don't think you know what does and doesn't enter heaven, but you sure like to make the claim that you do.
Anthony MN wrote:
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All are born with original sin.
So says men. I wonder what "God" says about this. Why don't you post a specific statement by Jesus expressing this notion of yours.
Anthony MN wrote:
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Baptism removes the stain of original sin.
I'll disagree again, because I don't believe the "sins of the father will be applied to the sons".

Maybe you do, because you can't see past the words.

FYI - to help remove your personal "sins" - that would require you to repent.

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#354954 May 8, 2012
Oxbow wrote:
The pope cannot read the Bible and understand what it says...he has to be told...the Bible says why...
Pope Benedict XVI has done away with the concept of “limbo”:
The decision was taken after Benedict XVI was presented with Vatican studies that said there were “serious” grounds that such souls could go to heaven, rather than exist between heaven and hell as they have done for almost 800 years.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
OX, stop it, you are being very, very ridiculous!!

What exactly are your credentials??????

Pope B-16 Bio

When he re-entered the seminary with his brother Georg. In 1947, he entered the Herzogliches Georgianum, a theological institute associated with the University of Munich. Finally, on 29 June 1951, both Josef and his brother were ordained to the priesthood by Cardinal Faulhaber, in the Cathedral at Freising, on the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul.

Continuing his theological studies at the University of Munich, he received his doctorate in theology in July 1953, with a thesis entitled “The People and House of God in Augustine's doctrine of the Church.” He fulfilled a requirement for teaching at the university level by completing a book-length treatise on Bonaventure’s theology of history and revelation. On 15 April 1959, he began lectures as a full professor of fundamental theology at the University of Bonn. From 1962-1965, he was present during all four sessions of the Second Vatican Council as a peritus, or chief theological advisor, to Cardinal Josef Frings of Köln (Cologne), Germany.

In 1963, he began teaching at the University of Münster, taking, in 1966, a second chair in dogmatic theology at the University of Tübingen. In 1969 he moved back to Bavaria and took a teaching position at the University of Regensburg. There, he eventually became dean and vice president. He was also a member of the International Theological Commission of the Holy See from 1969 until 1980.

Full Story …….Continue here
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.ph...
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#354955 May 8, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually Scripture does not say trees are green, the sky is blue, the ocean is deep and the sun is bright but that does not alter the fact that trees are green, the sky is blue, the ocean is deep and the sun is bright does it?
Mark Twain once wrote, "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Gee. Did it ever occur to you that if not everything that is real is not in the Bible, that things may be real that are not specuified in writing that you just made the Case for Tradition.
Gosh, Hermi, I thought the green trees, the blue sky, the deep ocean and the bright sun were creation, not tradition. Sorry, no case for tradition here.

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#354956 May 8, 2012
OldJG wrote:
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Anthony MN, you are telling us God changed? Under the Old Covenant baptism was not required for salvation but under the New Covenant it is required for salvation. Is this your belief?
It would seem God has changed His mind in as much some were baptized and others were not. Why did God change His mind?
We thought the New Covenant was the Covenant of Grace and the Old Covenant was the Law. Your saying God requires more of us under Grace for salvation than He did under the Law for salvation? Are you sure?
I agree. Christ didnt change anything.See you at Synagogue Saturday.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#354957 May 8, 2012
chuck wrote:
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Again I don't declare myself a christian....God does. I thought we've been through that. Thanks
I am the recipient of a miracle. I'm a sinner who deserves eternal Hell but was saved (according to God's Word) by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Clueless.

Yes "chuck" - clueless for this....
"I don't declare myself a christian....God does."

When did "God" declare that you are a "Christian"?

Since: Jun 10

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#354958 May 8, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Not surprising coming from someone who denies Jesus is God. Spend some more time with the other atheists on the board here, they'll tell you a lot of idiotic things we Christians say.
Your Catholic encyclopeepee: Jesus Christ - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race....

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#354959 May 8, 2012
marge wrote:
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Did you know a majority of catholic bishops here in America voted pro-abortion last time around?
False!

You are being very funny.

marge, and you know this because you were peeking over their shoulder?!!! lol

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#354960 May 8, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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When Jesus says "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" then says "He who does not believe will be condemned", it shows that one can be baptized, not believe and still be condemned. This means that one does not have to be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the bible about "believers baptism".


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Gif Response...

Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized NOTE(IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS) shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

BAPTIZED DEFINED IN GREEK as used in ..

G907
&#946;&#945;&#960; &#964;&#953;&#769; &#950;&#969;
baptizo&#772;
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:- baptist, baptize, wash.


___

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to ==>cleanse<== us from all unrighteousness.


THE WORD ==>CLEANSE<== DEFINED IN GREEK as used in
G2511
&#954;&#945;&#952; &#945;&#961;&#953; &#769;&#950;&#969;
katharizo&#772;
kath-ar-id'-zo
From G2513; to cleanse (literally or figuratively):-(make) clean (-se), purge, purify.

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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the -->washing<-- of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;


The word -->WASHING <--DEFINED IN GREEK AS USED IN
G3067
&#955;&#959;&#965; &#964;&#961;&#959; &#769;&#957;
loutron
loo-tron'
From G3068; a bath, that is,(figuratively) baptism:- washing.


ARE YOU WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS?

Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing pow’r?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Refrain:

Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless? Are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?


Are you walking daily by the Savior’s side?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Do you rest each moment in the Crucified?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?


When the Bridegroom cometh will your robes be white?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Will your soul be ready for the mansions bright,
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb?


Lay aside the garments that are stained with sin,
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb;
There’s a fountain flowing for the soul unclean,
Oh, be washed in the blood of the Lamb!

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