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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 691918 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353731 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Evangelicals claim that one is born again at the first moment of faith in Christ. According to this theory, faith in Christ produces regeneration. The Calvinist position is the reverse: Regeneration precedes and produces faith in Christ. Calvinists (some of whom also call themselves Evangelicals) suppose that God "secretly" regenerates people, without their being aware of it, and thiscauses them to place their faith in Christ.
To defend these theories, Evangelicals and Calvinists attempt to explain away the many unambiguous verses in the Bible that plainly teach baptismal regeneration. One strategy is to say that the water in John 3:5 refers not to baptism but to the amniotic fluid present at childbirth. The absurd
implication of this view is that Jesus would have been saying, "You must be born of amniotic fluid and the Spirit." A check of the respected Protestant Greek lexicon, Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, fails to turn up any instances in ancient, Septuagint or New Testament Greek where "water" (Greek: hudor) referred to anything like "amniotic fluid" (VIII:314–333).
Did Nicodemus know about baptism? Did Nicodemus know about child birth? Jesus spoke to him about what he knew not what he did not know. Why do you suppose Nicodemus talks about going back into his mothers womb? He knew Jesus was speaking of child birth.....not baptism. Born of flesh.....remember. Born of spirit.....remember. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.....How? Spiritually!!!

Born twice die once........Born once die twice.

See if you can figure it out.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#353732 May 4, 2012
While there is no description of an individual infant being baptized, the Bible describes five separate household baptisms:

• The Household of Cornelius, Acts 11:13–14:“Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.”

• The Household of Lydia, Acts 16:15:“And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying,‘If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.’ So she persuaded us.”

• The Philippian Jailor’s Household, Acts 16:33:“And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.”

• The Household of Crispus, Acts 18:8:“Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.”

• The Household of Stephanas, 1 Corinthians 1:16:“Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.”

Some have argued that while the Bible may say ‘household’ or ‘family’ this does not have to include children. Maybe those households did not include children. While this may be the case, it is hard to imagine that at least one of these households did not include children
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353733 May 4, 2012
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul says that just as Israel was saved when they were "baptized into Moses," so too we are saved when we are baptized into Christ.
Provide Scripture which states "baptized into Moses".
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353734 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
this water symbolizes baptism (a sacrament is a symbol Baptism is a sacrament
Baptism to you is a sacrament(sacred rite recognized as of particular importance and significance).

To me Baptism is an ordinance(an authoritative command or order)
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353735 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
While there is no description of an individual infant being baptized, the Bible describes five separate household baptisms:
• The Household of Cornelius, Acts 11:13–14:“Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.”
• The Household of Lydia, Acts 16:15:“And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying,‘If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.’ So she persuaded us.”
• The Philippian Jailor’s Household, Acts 16:33:“And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.”
• The Household of Crispus, Acts 18:8:“Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.”
• The Household of Stephanas, 1 Corinthians 1:16:“Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.”
Some have argued that while the Bible may say ‘household’ or ‘family’ this does not have to include children. Maybe those households did not include children. While this may be the case, it is hard to imagine that at least one of these households did not include children
Really? Produce ONE NAME of a baby who was baptized in the Bible. Just ONE. Give us a name please. Or can you?
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353736 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Infant baptism was the normative practice in the first four Christian centuries. In the earliest period for which extensive records survive, it is apparent that the church baptized the children of believers as well as believers themselves. For the earlier period for which direct evidence is rarely available, substantial indirect evidence leads one to the conclusion that, given the classical cultural assumption of family solidarity under its parental head, it is unlikely that baptism was denied to the infants of Christian. Western tradition understood infants as carrying the guilt of original sin, baptism being understood almost exclusively as a cleansing from original guilt.
B.O.L.O.G.N.A.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#353737 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
.
Jesus tells Nicodemus this after Christ was baptized in water.
The context of Jesus’ statements in John 3
makes it clear that he was referring to water baptism.
Shortly before Jesus teaches Nicodemus
about the necessity and regenerating effect of baptism,
he himself was baptized by John the Baptist, and
the circumstances are striking: Jesus goes down into the water, and as he is baptized, the heavens open, the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove, and the voice of God the Father speaks from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son" (cf. Matt. 3:13–17; Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:30–34).
This scene gives us a graphic depiction of what happens at baptism:
We are baptized with water, symbolizing our dying with Christ (Rom. 6:3) and
our rising with Christ to the newness of life (Rom. 6:4–5);
we receive the gift of sanctifying grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27); and we are adopted as God’s sons (Rom. 8:15–17).
After our Lord’s teaching that it is necessary for salvation to be born from above by water and the Spirit (John 3:1–21), "Jesus and his disciples went into the land of Judea; there he remained with them and people were baptized" (John 3:22).
1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.
not the removal of dirt from the body (not just the removal of dirt)
water symbolizes baptism that now saves you (baptism that saves you)
this water symbolizes baptism
this water symbolizes baptism (a sacrament is a symbol Baptism is a sacrament)
Evangelicals claim that one is born again at the first moment of faith in Christ. According to this theory, faith in Christ produces regeneration. The Calvinist position is the reverse: Regeneration precedes and produces faith in Christ. Calvinists (some of whom also call themselves Evangelicals) suppose that God "secretly" regenerates people, without their being aware of it, and thiscauses them to place their faith in Christ.
To defend these theories, Evangelicals and Calvinists attempt to explain away the many unambiguous verses in the Bible that plainly teach baptismal regeneration. One strategy is to say that the water in John 3:5 refers not to baptism but to the amniotic fluid present at childbirth. The absurd
implication of this view is that Jesus would have been saying, "You must be born of amniotic fluid and the Spirit." A check of the respected Protestant Greek lexicon, Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, fails to turn up any instances in ancient, Septuagint or New Testament Greek where "water" (Greek: hudor) referred to anything like "amniotic fluid" (VIII:314–333).

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#353738 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Produce ONE NAME of a baby who was baptized in the Bible. Just ONE. Give us a name please. Or can you?
I would like to go back 2000 years and get the names for you.Many times in the Word the people Jesus worked miracles for are not named.Not necessary sometimes. The quote speaks for itself

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#353739 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Nicodemus know about baptism? Did Nicodemus know about child birth? Jesus spoke to him about what he knew not what he did not know. Why do you suppose Nicodemus talks about going back into his mothers womb? He knew Jesus was speaking of child birth.....not baptism. Born of flesh.....remember. Born of spirit.....remember. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.....How? Spiritually!!!
Born twice die once........Born once die twice.
See if you can figure it out.
Evangelicals claim that one is born again at the first moment of faith in Christ. According to this theory, faith in Christ produces regeneration. The Calvinist position is the reverse: Regeneration precedes and produces faith in Christ. Calvinists (some of whom also call themselves Evangelicals) suppose that God "secretly" regenerates people, without their being aware of it, and thiscauses them to place their faith in Christ.

To defend these theories, Evangelicals and Calvinists attempt to explain away the many unambiguous verses in the Bible that plainly teach baptismal regeneration. One strategy is to say that the water in John 3:5 refers not to baptism but to the amniotic fluid present at childbirth. The absurd
implication of this view is that Jesus would have been saying, "You must be born of amniotic fluid and the Spirit." A check of the respected Protestant Greek lexicon, Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, fails to turn up any instances in ancient, Septuagint or New Testament Greek where "water" (Greek: hudor) referred to anything like "amniotic fluid" (VIII:314–333).
Michael

Caledonia, Canada

#353740 May 4, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
If one is to think that the HS is "Wisdom", then this text does state that the HS is of a female gender.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-long.htm...
...does that mean, that was the FIRST ever lesbian encounter, and a baby resulted from that union? It truly is a miracle!!(lol)
Michael

Caledonia, Canada

#353741 May 4, 2012
Peter Paul and Mary wrote:
Are you smarter than a 5th grader? My 10 year old nephew says that "without water, there is no life"!
There is ONE LORD!
PPM
Without honey bees there is no life! Praise to the bees.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#353742 May 4, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
Dear Friends,
We are standing on the edge of a cliff, ready to be pushed over by the God-hating bunch that has time after time raised up to kill Christians. They don't care if you are OSAS, Catholic, Pentecostal, or whatever...they hate us all.
1 John 2:9 He that sayeth that he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness, EVEN UNTIL NOW.
Can't we discuss the scripture without scolding and shaming each other? Some speak of cancer, and other problems, and hardly receive a word of comfort.
We sang a lovely song when I was a child: "You go to your church, and I'll go to mine...BUT LET'S WALK ALONG TOGETHER (as we go)!"
God is LOVE. If we are in HIM, we are in love. If not, it won't matter whether we are in the 'right church'.
KayMarie
WONDERFUL!!! Now lets see if your words of "ecumenticalism" can "get through" to your husband!!!
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Chico, CA

#353743 May 4, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>Without honey bees there is no life! Praise to the bees.
I was looking into that. 15% decline in the bee population from last year. Thinking about investing in hives to rent out to the local almond growers.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353744 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus tells Nicodemus this after Christ was baptized in water.
The context of Jesus’ statements in John 3
makes it clear that he was referring to water baptism.
Shortly before Jesus teaches Nicodemus
about the necessity and regenerating effect of baptism,
he himself was baptized by John the Baptist, and
the circumstances are striking: Jesus goes down into the water, and as he is baptized, the heavens open, the Holy Spirit descends upon him in the form of a dove, and the voice of God the Father speaks from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son" (cf. Matt. 3:13–17; Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:30–34).
This scene gives us a graphic depiction of what happens at baptism:
We are baptized with water, symbolizing our dying with Christ (Rom. 6:3) and
our rising with Christ to the newness of life (Rom. 6:4–5);
we receive the gift of sanctifying grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27); and we are adopted as God’s sons (Rom. 8:15–17).
After our Lord’s teaching that it is necessary for salvation to be born from above by water and the Spirit (John 3:1–21), "Jesus and his disciples went into the land of Judea; there he remained with them and people were baptized" (John 3:22).
1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.
not the removal of dirt from the body (not just the removal of dirt)
water symbolizes baptism that now saves you (baptism that saves you)
this water symbolizes baptism
this water symbolizes baptism (a sacrament is a symbol Baptism is a sacrament)
Evangelicals claim that one is born again at the first moment of faith in Christ. According to this theory, faith in Christ produces regeneration. The Calvinist position is the reverse: Regeneration precedes and produces faith in Christ. Calvinists (some of whom also call themselves Evangelicals) suppose that God "secretly" regenerates people, without their being aware of it, and thiscauses them to place their faith in Christ.
To defend these theories, Evangelicals and Calvinists attempt to explain away the many unambiguous verses in the Bible that plainly teach baptismal regeneration. One strategy is to say that the water in John 3:5 refers not to baptism but to the amniotic fluid present at childbirth. The absurd
implication of this view is that Jesus would have been saying, "You must be born of amniotic fluid and the Spirit." A check of the respected Protestant Greek lexicon, Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, fails to turn up any instances in ancient, Septuagint or New Testament Greek where "water" (Greek: hudor) referred to anything like "amniotic fluid" (VIII:314–333).
So your assumption, remember assumption, is Nicodemus was present at the baptism of Jesus? Really? Scripture please. Not inuendo or tradition, Scripture.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#353745 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
So your assumption, remember assumption, is Nicodemus was present at the baptism of Jesus? Really? Scripture please. Not inuendo or tradition, Scripture.
here did you get that I said Nicodemus was present at the Baptism of Jesus??????????
You are doing it again mi amigo.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353746 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I would like to go back 2000 years and get the names for you.Many times in the Word the people Jesus worked miracles for are not named.Not necessary sometimes. The quote speaks for itself
Really? How many times did Jesus do a miracle without declaring their condition? Jesus healed lepers. Jesus raised the dead. Jesus healed a cripple. Jesus healed the blind. Etc.

This being the case you should be able to provide at least one verse with the word child or children when speaking of baptism.
The ball is in your court. Now what?
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#353747 May 4, 2012
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>here did you get that I said Nicodemus was present at the Baptism of Jesus??????????
You are doing it again mi amigo.
If he was not at the baptism of Jesus how would he have known what baptism was? By osmosis? Come on, get real.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#353748 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Provide Scripture which states "baptized into Moses".
1 Corinthians 10:2

2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#353749 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? How many times did Jesus do a miracle without declaring their condition? Jesus healed lepers. Jesus raised the dead. Jesus healed a cripple. Jesus healed the blind. Etc.
This being the case you should be able to provide at least one verse with the word child or children when speaking of baptism.
The ball is in your court. Now what?
No No No The household is clear enough.
While there is no description of an individual infant being baptized, the Bible describes five separate household baptisms:

• The Household of Cornelius, Acts 11:13–14:“Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.”

• The Household of Lydia, Acts 16:15:“And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying,‘If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.’ So she persuaded us.”

• The Philippian Jailor’s Household, Acts 16:33:“And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized.”

• The Household of Crispus, Acts 18:8:“Then Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his household. And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.”

• The Household of Stephanas, 1 Corinthians 1:16:“Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas.”

Some have argued that while the Bible may say ‘household’ or ‘family’ this does not have to include children. Maybe those households did not include children. While this may be the case, it is hard to imagine that at least one of these households did not include children.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#353750 May 4, 2012
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
If he was not at the baptism of Jesus how would he have known what baptism was? By osmosis? Come on, get real.
Nicodemus knew John's preaching and he knew John's baptism and he would not have stumbled over the words "born of water" to "enter the kingdom."

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