Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
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LTM wrote:
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It was a lack of God in peoples lives, the more you push Him away the worse things are going to get.
Push what away?

The creator of sin?
The creator of death?
Of war?
Of pain?
Of rape?
Of genocide?

The 'creator' is no friend of humanity, and no friend of mine.
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You are in your forties and using "gangsta" language???? Aren't you too old to talk like a kid in school? It makes you lose credibility IMO.
How do you think God or Jesus feels when you call them "gawd" or "jaysus"?
Even if you don't believe in them.....show respect to the people on here that do and may be offended by your language.
Believes take the second commandment and all the commandments pretty seriously.
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If we believe the Bible, then we believe that God and Jesus are the same person, not two separate people, and not two members of the "trinity." But other than that, I got you back in this forum!=)
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Question? If God made the Law about stoning, why did Jesus then contradict the law? Did God make a mistake? Shouldn't it be removed from the OT?

Does this mean that Capital Punishment is wrong? How many times has the catholic church disobeyed Jesus on this through the ages?

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
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Funny how catholics call all other Xian churches "gatherings" and not true churches, deists atheists, etc., etc.---
-- but if anyone points out simple facts about the catholic church,
-- the catholics whine and call them "bigots" and "hateful."
This is a classic "DOUBLE STANDARD."
The congregation or group of people, who gather to worship and praise God are the Church of Christ. Its not a denominational religious organization.
We the people who are born again, and follow Jesus are the church.
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Idolatry brought the end of the Roman Empire?
I thought it was expansion and lack of governmental application.
It was actually increasing taxes, individual rights being trampled, and overreaching of governmental authority, but that's a discussion for another post.
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Was Jesus gay? Is it normal to lay on another man's bosom?

Did Jesus himself ever say anything about homosexuality? Why didn't the apostles have girlfriends or wives?(Or did they?)

13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

13:24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

13:25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
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The congregation or group of people, who gather to worship and praise God are the Church of Christ. Its not a denominational religious organization.
We the people who are born again, and follow Jesus are the church.
Not according to the latest Pope.

In fact, no more tax exemption.
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When Pope Pius XII died on October 9, 1958, Golda Meir, then Israeli delegate to the United Nations, sent official condolences: "When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace."
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Question? If God made the Law about stoning, why did Jesus then contradict the law? Did God make a mistake? Shouldn't it be removed from the OT?
Does this mean that Capital Punishment is wrong? How many times has the catholic church disobeyed Jesus on this through the ages?
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
Jesus is God. The Old Testament Law was a "type and shadow" of the New Testament grace. In the OT, you could be stoned for any number of things, but you could atone for your sins through ritual sacrifice of animals, grain, etc. After Jesus' death and after Pentecost, Jesus' sacrifice ended the need for us to kill a goat or burn some wheat as an act of penance. But it also put the law in our hearts rather than just outside. In the OT, it was a sin to commit adultery, but if you were repentant, God accepted your sacrifice (and you were pelted with rocks). In the NT, it's just as bad a sin to fantasize about committing adultery, and that can send you not to a stoning, but to hell. But if you are repentant, God already paid your sacrifice by dying on a cross (and rising again).

That's what Christians believe, anyway.
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The desire to keep a low profile was expressed by the people Pius XII helped. A Jewish couple from Berlin who had been held in concentration camps but escaped to Spain with the help of Pius XII, stated: "None of us wanted the Pope to take an open stand. We were all fugitives, and fugitives do not wish to be pointed at. The Gestapo would have become more excited and would have intensified its inquisitions. If the Pope had protested, Rome would have become the center of attention. It was better that the Pope said nothing. We all shared this opinion at the time, and this is still our conviction today."[11]

While the U.S., Great Britain, and other countries often refused to allow Jewish refugees to immigrate during the war, the Vatican was issuing tens of thousands of false documents to allow Jews to pass secretly as Christians so they could escape the Nazis. What is more, the financial aid Pius XII helped provide the Jews was very real. Lichten, Lapide, and other Jewish chroniclers record those funds as being in the millions of dollars—dollars even more valuable then than they are now.
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Mr Nettenio wrote:
<quoted text>Lets just say, no brainwashing occurred in this gray matter.
With that said, experience has no equal.
Why must humans "Believe"? The answer is complicated.
Fear controls the human mind....you know that.
Its just easier to read a book and believe, to follow the crowd, to be excepted..........be human.
Heaven and He11? God or Devil? Once humans read and believe that must be all there is in life. Mental illness does not discriminate.
In closing, open thy mind..........without fear, there lies the answer.
Pray, pray, pray that (they) never materialize.
Are you all one atheist coming under assumed names? You repeat the same rhetoric for atheism,and its negation of the unseen.The only fear we believers know is that of the Awesome power of the Creator,and that is not fear and torturous subjugation that has been a human development rather than which is taught.EXPERIENCE has no equal you say,well that is the difference between you and us who believe.We have experienced the Almighty in many ways,and you apparently haven't or rather you just do not acknowledge that you have.

I have never walked into a c h u r c h yet in my 62 years give or take the first 7,and seen people in a fearful state or in abject fear.I have been in churches where the JOY was so apparent,and people were happy.This includes Catholic,and various prot types. Have been in Jewish synagogues where the participants followed their own liturgy,and respecting the Torah,without abject fear,reverently,but not obsession,no groveling around.

I have never witnessed in any church people being forced to accept Christianity.TODAY more than ever there is a respect for those who come into our congregations that do not believe but are welcome.There are no guards in our churches keeping the non-believers from entering,or taking people aside to find out what they believe.If a person does not like what they see or hear,they get up and walk out with no fear of being accosted,or forced to listen to a message about God.

What is this f e a r that you Atheists are so bent on placing on us who believe? And in the end if there in fact is no god or G O D,than what could there possibly be a problem for you atheists.You have nothing to begin with,and surely in the end of your life you won't have anything.Are you going to an after life? Oh the grave or cremation is all you have to look forward to,well that is such a wonderful END!
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Prior to the Nazi invasion, the Pope had been working hard to get Jews out of Italy by emigration; he now was forced to turn his attention to finding them hiding places. "The Pope sent out the order that religious buildings were to give refuge to Jews, even at the price of great personal sacrifice on the part of their occupants; he released monasteries and convents from the cloister rule forbidding entry into these religious houses to all but a few specified outsiders, so that they could be used as hiding places. Thousands of Jews—the figures run from 4,000 to 7,000—were hidden, fed, clothed, and bedded in the 180 known places of refuge in Vatican City, churches and basilicas, Church administrative buildings, and parish houses. Unknown numbers of Jews were sheltered in Castel Gandolfo, the site of the Pope’s summer residence, private homes, hospitals, and nursing institutions; and the Pope took personal responsibility for the care of the children of Jews deported from Italy."[14]
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Funny how catholics call all other Xian churches "gatherings" and not true churches, deists atheists, etc., etc.---
-- but if anyone points out simple facts about the catholic church,
-- the catholics whine and call them "bigots" and "hateful."
This is a classic "DOUBLE STANDARD."
No sweetie. We call a Christian a Christians. In YOUR case, we call a psychotic moron a psychotic moron.

Have fun talking to yourself cupcake. I will be outside enjoying the beautiful day that God has made.:-)
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'gawd' made the earth?
And I'M the doofus?
Moron.
You're just a fat pimply teenager that spends all his time on here because you don't have any friends. Yes punkin, you are the doofus.
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When Pope Pius XII died on October 9, 1958, Golda Meir, then Israeli delegate to the United Nations, sent official condolences: "When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace."
Christians of all denominations were secretly working to alleviate the plight of Jews during WW2.In Holland a network was devised through the many canals and dikes of the Dutch water ways,Jews were smuggled in the many boats the Dutch would use daily up and down their canals(channels).Those Dutch were mostly evangelicals who in spite of their reformed churches listened to GOD rather than to the fear of their church leaders.Ministers also got involved setting up refuge places all through Holland and neighboring countries.

Danish Christians worked as well risking all they had to salvage some of God's Elect.A Remnant of Jews survived the death camps,and many Christians took those Jews into their homes to feed and care for them after the war as well.It is still a tragedy that any so-called Christian could ever support Nazism to begin with.Such people will stand before God,and answer for their fear of MAN,which causes great suffering.Fear of God opens the mind and life to the AWESOMENESS and Love of the Creator. FEAR of Man is why we see so many cowards in countries that gave license to people like Hitler,Mussolini,and Stalin.One day this country will face the rise of an individual that will cause men to fear him rather than God,and we will have to be tested whether we will give our lives to him or to the Almighty who is the true Lover of our souls.

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Idolatry brought the end of the Roman Empire?
I thought it was expansion and lack of governmental application.
That shows that you haven't studied the Roman Empire at all. The slothful belief in the manifest destiny of the Empire and the waste of their time arguing about which god was the "real" one, prevented them from taking care of the business of governing or doing anything to solve the problems caused by their bloated "reward" system for their "warriors". Sounds familiar?
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<quoted text>Christians of all denominations were secretly working to alleviate the plight of Jews during WW2.In Holland a network was devised through the many canals and dikes of the Dutch water ways,Jews were smuggled in the many boats the Dutch would use daily up and down their canals(channels).Those Dutch were mostly evangelicals who in spite of their reformed churches listened to GOD rather than to the fear of their church leaders.Ministers also got involved setting up refuge places all through Holland and neighboring countries.
Danish Christians worked as well risking all they had to salvage some of God's Elect.A Remnant of Jews survived the death camps,and many Christians took those Jews into their homes to feed and care for them after the war as well.It is still a tragedy that any so-called Christian could ever support Nazism to begin with.Such people will stand before God,and answer for their fear of MAN,which causes great suffering.Fear of God opens the mind and life to the AWESOMENESS and Love of the Creator. FEAR of Man is why we see so many cowards in countries that gave license to people like Hitler,Mussolini,and Stalin.One day this country will face the rise of an individual that will cause men to fear him rather than God,and we will have to be tested whether we will give our lives to him or to the Almighty who is the true Lover of our souls.
I know that people in the Netherlands and elsewhere helped as best they could, no matter their religion. My purpose in posting all I did was to defend Pius XII actions during that time. He was not the pope who stayed silent during the holocause as many are claiming and accusing him of.
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The congregation or group of people, who gather to worship and praise God are the Church of Christ. Its not a denominational religious organization.
We the people who are born again, and follow Jesus are the church.
LTM -- agree with you or not -- you seem to reflect the more virtuous teachings of Christianity better than most others here.

I admire people who walk their talk.
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No sweetie. We call a Christian a Christians. In YOUR case, we call a psychotic moron a psychotic moron.
Have fun talking to yourself cupcake. I will be outside enjoying the beautiful day that God has made.:-)
Mornin' Sophie.

Not according to that wacky Pope Benedict.

Sorry the truth hurts, but facts are facts. But I don't blame you. I'm just glad you disagree with that nut-job.

Heading outside now myself. 77 and sunny. Hope you enjoy the day too.
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Was Jesus gay? Is it normal to lay on another man's bosom?
Did Jesus himself ever say anything about homosexuality? Why didn't the apostles have girlfriends or wives?(Or did they?)
13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
13:24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
13:25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
Sowing seeds of distortion are you Blessed Mind?Or are you just suggesting that Jesus had to be gay if he allowed John to lay his head on the chest of Jesus,or maybe when tired John would rest his head on the lap of Jesus.Love,is a word that can be easily distorted as well.But there is one thing Blessed Mind,you may not be aware of::::::You are a westerner who has been well conditioned to think that any type of physical gestures between men could be identified as homosexual behavior.I will never forget when in Viet Nam and Thailand seeing countless numbers of men holding hands.

Oh the American soldiers on seeing this thought immediately that the Asians were all ((queer)),as they noted to each other.But the Asians were far from GAY,that was steep into their culture a NORMAL affection males had for each other that was totally minus the sexual.AS a matter of fact the Gay communities in Asian countries is minimal compared to here in the US and West.Asian men are very attentive to heterosexual relationships and marriage.Middle Eastern men are very affectionate to each other as well,they touch each other and give a double kiss on the cheeks in greeting.YET you will rarely find homosexuality amongst them,as they are very much for having relationships with women and ultimately marriage.

We here in the West apparently have the problem of understanding how two men could be friends and actually have a love for each other that does not include sex.Our people are always careful not to show how they really feel for someone.A man who deeply cares for another man in the West has to always be careful that he does not touch his buddy or show affection of genuine love.Right away here we think the individuals are gay.It is cultural here for us to abhor genuine affection for the same sex.That is not the case in the Middle East and Asia!!!!!!!!!!

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