Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jim

London, UK

#208264 Jan 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Hawking said there is no event horizon.
When there was you had this mysterious magical hole in space where things disappeared into neverneverland. That was your "scientific" approach.
I didn't say there was a "hole". I compared the process to something like a turbine. You have charge and motion being directed into collision. It starts unwinding the atoms, most of which aren't neutral to begin with.
That is not a pure monolithic process, but can appear so from a distance. You are looking at the generic flow and effect.
Do not discount my barycenter observation. Analyze that gravitational force as a beam between two objects and those beams from many objects wrapping around that common point. That is a force being interfered with and wrapped up. Something similar happens in atoms.
The models and definitions used for the forces are archaic. They need to get away from being "objects" and more into processes.
You keep trying to sound scientific, but its embarrassing hearing you trying to defend your Creationist Cult that never presents any evidence for god, or against evolution.

You are the last of your cult, unable to convert anybody towards your stupid belief-lies.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208265 Jan 27, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Skin color and ethnicity is morally neutral while homosexual conduct is both morally and legally questionable.
"Legally questionable"??? Since when has it been illegal to be homosexual? Not for quite some time...at least in the US.

Do you pray for a return to the days when gays were thrown in jail?
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#208266 Jan 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Wiki is your god and Bible, scar?
Why are you trying to pigeonhole me into your limited perspectives? Is that all you are capable of?
Youngblood, there is no difference in how matter and energy gets distributed on this planet and how your TV set does. It's mostly a matter of purity of components and design intent. Perhaps you are aware that lightning and static electricity don't really care if you aren't made of pure copper.
This was noted by mankind a long time ago.
Bet you thought Earth and you were magic and everything else follows physical laws, eh?
Oh, that's right, you're from NC.
Bwhahahahahahahahaha topix atheists, what an anomoly

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#208267 Jan 27, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You haven't made your case. In my opinion, it is not the church's place to be trying to dictate public policy. People outside of the church seem to want gay marriage legalized. What business is it of the church to oppose that? What is its legitimate role in politics?
<quoted text>
I'm not sure what that means, but I'm pretty sure that without church input, same sex marriage would be legal. The evidence for that is that its becoming legal in more and more jurisdictions anyway despite the church.
Also, the church vilifies itself by meddling in the affairs of non-Christians. Is it so surprising that those who don't share your values resent you imposing them on their lives?.
"It's the church's fault!!!" -IANS

Tell me, why isn't gay marriage legal in Japan? Why isn't it even being considered? Why do less than 25% of Japanese citizens think it should be legal?

The Japan church?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#208268 Jan 27, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Could you possibly come up with a more irrelevant argument?
You don't know me very well...
Jim

London, UK

#208269 Jan 27, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Bwhahahahahahahahaha topix atheists, what an anomoly
Never been a god, trust the religious liars to try to avoid being held accountable for lying about it.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208270 Jan 27, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> The 77 non religious reasons covered that. Work on your comprehension.
RationalWiki offers a rebuttal to your 77 reasons. It is rather devastating.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:77_Reasons
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#208271 Jan 27, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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SSM is legal in 18 states (soon to be 19 after Utah loses their appeal) plus the District of Columbia. It's coming even faster than I thought it would.
You can't defend your house of cards against a hurricane. Just stand back and watch it fall.
Its all been predicted how depraved man gets and then God makes a visit, how foreboding. Stay the course, we wouldn't want to change prophesy.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208272 Jan 27, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Agreed, which is why the strategy of secularists has to be to reduce their number if we don't want them determining the standards for the rest of us. We want choices. The faithful need not choose these things for themselves, but in a free society, they also shouldn't be limiting options for others.
You don't suspect that freedom isn't really an important value to the faithful, do you? Some of us suspect that Christianity doesn't teach a respect for it. Are there any scriptures celebrating freedom?
In a lot of places outside of North America and Europe, many religious people consider democracy as being anti-religion.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#208273 Jan 27, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:



It seems as though gay men wear women's clothes to stand out, to tell everyone "hey look at me, the gay guy. Aren't I incredible?"

I've known only one gay guy that was masculine.
But the gays that you and I have known do not represent the whole.
Women are inferior to men in some regards, yes. In turn, men are inferior to women in some regards. This is basic nature.

Hell yes!
He's sticking his schlong into a male butthole.
There's nothing homosexual about that, right?

What past of my post did you interpret as a hatred of gays or a desire to beat them up?
Tell me that, fucknugget.
Darwins Stepchild wrote:

Every part of your posts on homosexuality point to hatred of gays. You perhaps don't admit it to yourself, but it is there.
And you might note that I did not say you wanted to beat up gays. I ASKED if you wanted to beat up gays?
Do you approve of Russia's anti-gay legislation? One side effect of that has been the physical manifestation of the public's hatred of gays, resulting in beatings. There have even been cases where the police, rather than protecting the beaten, have joined in the beating.
Words have consequences. The prejudice you show toward gays could well end in someone else taking it too far.
What prejudice?

What hatred?

Be specific.

You say words have consequences, I agree.

Your words say I'm prejudiced against gays. Your words imply I have a hatred of gays.

Which words of mine imply that?
Jim

London, UK

#208274 Jan 27, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"Think about them no further".....
That's what y'all rely think, huh?
You think we read "Jesus is my Savior" and that's it, we accept it, no need to study it or question it.
You're flat out wrong.
Your words hurt Christians.
You don't care.
Christianophobe.
No such thing as god. The world is too polite to tell you that your beliefs are stupid. What makes them stupid is that you reject the facts and still hold on to them, trying to convert others towards your stupidity.

What a way to live...

Atheists are free from religious stupidity because we always ask you liars for proof.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208275 Jan 27, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> If you knew anything about Scripture you would know the answer.
Secular case against gay marriage.
http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/a-secula...
Why should Scripture be of any importance to this discussion? In a secular democracy, it should be rejected as a source of authority. In some areas, such as slavery, it already has been.

In the case of slavery, people have since reinterpreted the Bible, rationalizing, and now claim it is anti-slavery. I think it likely that in the future, people will also reinterpret the Bible and find it supportive of gay people. Religion evolves to fit the times. Otherwise, it becomes irrelevant.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208276 Jan 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
If you had collapsed matter you would have a lump, not a hole. A really solid object. If you star collapsed to nothing, then the collapse sent everything flying. Which leaves no mass to cause gravity.
Dave. Just leave it alone. Stop embarrassing yourself. You know virtually nothing about black holes. You have made this abundantly clear. Drop it.

I would tell you to read up on Enstein's equations and Schwarzchild's solution to them, but it would probably take you years of study to get to the point where you could understand them.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#208277 Jan 27, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
No such thing as god. The world is too polite to tell you that your beliefs are stupid. What makes them stupid is that you reject the facts and still hold on to them, trying to convert others towards your stupidity.
What a way to live...
Atheists are free from religious stupidity because we always ask you liars for proof.
Theres going to come a time when you will look like a rat caught in a trap, eyes buldging.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208278 Jan 27, 2014
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not even sure if it's an actual game, as opposed to a video made to look like one.
I've seen it discussed on several blogs. It appears to be a real game, though perhaps not a serious one.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#208279 Jan 27, 2014
Ugh. Just smoked my last cigarette and it's cold out there.

Gravity "beams".

Two distant stars each contributing to the total "attraction" which initiates motion.

You have relative "charge" between the two. The barycenter is where the charge difference is balanced out. Mathematically speaking this is a "zero", a null. Physically speaking this is a "charge" in relation to other "charges". It is similar to ground planes of electrical circuits. You can register zero mathematically on one, but if you reach over to another you can get lit up. You will complete a circuit because the universe itself became the original "charged" circuit and everything within are parts of parallel circuits formed within it. All flows go back to that mathematical "zero" of the universe as a whole. This applies to electrical or gravity "flows".

Take a thousand large suns with this gravity "charge" being distributed and the "beams" between them crossing each other and you will get distortion of those individual "flows". The beams get warped at those intersections. Gravity works in straight lines. As the objects spin about each other you have two bodies adding forces in a specific direction. You get a periodic increase in that relative gravitational charge along that line. You get bunches of those things up there and you will have a hard time keeping track of the action.

This straight line and periodic effect is demonstrated in our own solar system. Motion and inertia dampen the effect.

The earth/sun barycenter is almost dead center of the sun. The moon/earth barycenter average is about 45 degrees beneath your feet if you were standing at a Pole. The changes in those straight line relationships are what give us tidal forces. That moon also helps round us out a bit.

I gotta go get some cigarettes.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#208280 Jan 27, 2014
So.. Predominantly christian nation, how about this?

Is it true? I did some checking and it certainly seems to be.

What is the church doing about it?

Is homosexuals being able to adopt children and give them a loving home, really the issue in America?

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The United States ranked 34th out of 35 countries in child poverty and welfare rankings, barely beating out Romania. UNICEF documents in their U.N. report “Child Well-Being In Rich Countries: A Comparative Review”, that more than one in five American children – 20%– fall below a relative poverty line. UNICEF defines this rate relatively, rather than with a fixed dollar amount, stating that this means one is living in a household making less than half of the national median.
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http://politicalblindspot.com/u-s-ranks-34th-...

This blows my mind.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#208281 Jan 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Do not discount my barycenter observation. Analyze that gravitational force as a beam between two objects and those beams from many objects wrapping around that common point. That is a force being interfered with and wrapped up. Something similar happens in atoms.
This is in part where you go wrong. Your models, such as the one above, don't fit with reality. This is not how gravity works.

And what happens in atoms is quite different. The view of an atom as a tiny solar system is very archaic. That view was dropped in the early 20th century with the rise of quantum mechanics.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#208282 Jan 27, 2014
Keisha-J wrote:
Atheism requires no faith at all. Its very definition is faithless.
If one does not believe in a higher being,whatever form that may take, then his existence must be without hope. How sad.
Why would one have to believe in a higher power to have hope? What a ridiculous notion.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#208283 Jan 27, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
Never been a god, trust the religious liars to try to avoid being held accountable for lying about it.
Youre a rebel atheist eh? You violate the first precept in the topix atheist handbook. The greatest nation on earth has money that says in God we trust. Israel is still around. Imagine that, a tiny nation with no big navy or army, women army no less , and they are still around . Why is such a tiny people so hated? Could it be that they are Gods people through whom the gentiles can be saved? You, my snaggle toothed pile of perfidy, are an idiot.

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