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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#206997 Jan 23, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
That one paragraph would make a great script in a movie.
I can see the Clint Eastwood with his 45 all cocked and pointed at the outlaw’s head. And he says:“Bullsh*t doesn't want to be nailed down. It wants wiggle room, which is why……………”
Science has been wrong a lot over the last two hundred years. If you worked in a science related industry you would understand. How many times has NASA been wrong? They’ve had great success and horrible disasters.
I’m thankful for what science has developed but I’m not about to worship science like you Atheist do. Because I know science has f*cked up a lot. Let me give you an example.
Asbestos was used in hundreds of products as a fire retardant. From floor tiles, brake pads and sheetrock. Scientific method, experiments, peer review, and walahhh we have a better life because of it.
Not, we have lost a entire generation to asbestos exposures and it’s no way over. Your science you Atheist drool over has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
I know my memory isn't what it used to be but I'm pretty sure I didn't write a post saying I hate science

It's bizarre to me how often people engage in these bait-n-switch tactics just to give an unsolicited opinion that is already common knowledge

I know some people don't see merit in faith. I don't know why they feel the need to keep reminding me

I happen to value science and faith as I believe both explain and give meaning to the world we live in. I have never once felt the urge to look for someone who doesn't subscribe to faith just to tell them I disagree with them let alone look for a way to make it confrontational and insulting. And it comes from people who claim to want total equality and no groups and no nationalism. If they really want to know why there are problems in society between groups they nay want to buy a mirror. They are as much the problem as anyone

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#206998 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
I will repeat, there was nothing subjective about my interpretation. In fact I provided word for word verses in a later post
Not sure why you keep comparing science to religion. Is anybody under the impression they follow the same standard of proof?
Many religious people apparently believe that religion is the superior way to understand the universe and our place in it. Many try to reconcile their religion with science.

I'm not really even sure where you stand. Is religion a good thing to trust, if you care about what is actually true?

From your perspective, is Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam as true as your version of Christianity?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

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#206999 Jan 23, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The only reason you think he's a homophobe is because he points out the homosexual sex is a sin.
Your whole argument is based on your belief that his prejudice is a fact, and he repeats it without overt anger. If you were told that all Christians are abominations by somebody who believed that it was a fact, you would be howling "bigot!"

How would you respond to my pointing out to you that the only reason that you thought that such a person was a bigot was because he pointed out that Christians are abominable? Would that make you feel differently about such a person? Of course not.

If you repeat church doctrine about homosexuality being sin, you are a homophobe. Calling somebody a "sinner" defamatory in the same way that calling them a criminal, traitor, idiot, liar, or slob is. It a declaration that someone is unacceptable because he or she falls below some minimal standard of decency. It obviously no defense that you think its true.

It also doesn't matter whether you agree. If you or anybody else propagates what others consider hateful and damaging ideas, you will be judged by them according to the effect of your words, not your state of mind..

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#207000 Jan 23, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
That one paragraph would make a great script in a movie.
I can see the Clint Eastwood with his 45 all cocked and pointed at the outlaw’s head. And he says:“Bullsh*t doesn't want to be nailed down. It wants wiggle room, which is why……………”
...which is why I also brought this shotgun. Wiggle all you want.
Eagle 12 wrote:
Science has been wrong a lot over the last two hundred years. If you worked in a science related industry you would understand.
I know. I don't need to be a scientist to understand how science works.
Eagle 12 wrote:
How many times has NASA been wrong? They’ve had great success and horrible disasters.
They've been wrong a lot. They have been right enough to put people on the moon.
Eagle 12 wrote:
I’m thankful for what science has developed but I’m not about to worship science like you Atheist do.
I don't worship science.

If I did worship science, wouldn't I say so? Wouldn't I try to get other people to join me in worship?
Eagle 12 wrote:
Because I know science has f*cked up a lot. Let me give you an example.
Asbestos was used in hundreds of products as a fire retardant. From floor tiles, brake pads and sheetrock. Scientific method, experiments, peer review, and walahhh we have a better life because of it.
Not, we have lost a entire generation to asbestos exposures and it’s no way over. Your science you Atheist drool over has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Are you advocating that we stop learning? Are you advocating that we stop applying what we learn?

Science is about leaning how the universe works. It doesn't tell us what we should or should not do. That comes from somewhere else.

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#207001 Jan 23, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Many religious people apparently believe that religion is the superior way to understand the universe and our place in it. Many try to reconcile their religion with science.
I'm not really even sure where you stand. Is religion a good thing to trust, if you care about what is actually true?
From your perspective, is Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam as true as your version of Christianity?
So you don't even know where I stand yet decided to take an exchange over the interpretation of a verse (by responding to a post I made that was actually fairly complimentary of you) and for no reason just decides to turn it into why science is better than religion?

And if I believe Christianity to be true, of course I am not going to think faiths that claim differently are true. What kind of question is that?

I don't have a personal issue with other faiths. I just happen to believe they are mistaken

And I don't expect you to understand why someone would trust something about the spiritual world when I know you don't believe in the spiritual world. But again, I fail to see the point of asking me. You know I am a person of faith yet you are going to ask me if I think trusting in something I believe in my heart to be true is a good thing?

Do you wonder sometimes what exactly it is you are trying to accomplish? I don't kind addressing critics providing the exchange is relevant, adult, and serves a purpose. But these kind of posts that are nothing more than a dressed up version of "religion is stupid" don't have a lot of potential. There really isn't anything productive to build on and not much that can be discussed if expressing that sentiment is pretty much the reason for the exchange

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207002 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>You aren't smart enough to play this game

Your material is embarrassingly bad

It makes me feel like patting you on the head while shaking mine

:)

P.S.

Don't whine about me being vicious after calling me a chickenshit for refusing to fight with you.
LOL

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207003 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>You aren't smart enough to play this game

Your material is embarrassingly bad

It makes me feel like patting you on the head while shaking mine

:)

P.S.

Don't whine about me being vicious after calling me a chickenshit for refusing to fight with you.
You misquoted me. I called you a chicken.

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#207004 Jan 23, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Your whole argument is based on your belief that his prejudice is a fact, and he repeats it without overt anger. If you were told that all Christians are abominations by somebody who believed that it was a fact, you would be howling "bigot!"
How would you respond to my pointing out to you that the only reason that you thought that such a person was a bigot was because he pointed out that Christians are abominable? Would that make you feel differently about such a person? Of course not.
If you repeat church doctrine about homosexuality being sin, you are a homophobe. Calling somebody a "sinner" defamatory in the same way that calling them a criminal, traitor, idiot, liar, or slob is. It a declaration that someone is unacceptable because he or she falls below some minimal standard of decency. It obviously no defense that you think its true.
It also doesn't matter whether you agree. If you or anybody else propagates what others consider hateful and damaging ideas, you will be judged by them according to the effect of your words, not your state of mind..
You make some very good points and made a good illustration

However I would disagree in one regard

If someone does not address the person but the act, does not single out a sin, and understands they are also a sinner and their sins are not 'better' than I don't think they are a bigot

At that point it simply is a difference in opinion regarding what they consider moral when it comes to sexual acts. Someone may not agree with them. They may not agree with their reasoning. But it still would be simply a difference of opinion at that point in my opinion

But again, that is only if a person is not the target, if an act is not singled out, and the judging is not hypocritical

But I do agree that bigotry can easily be dressed up as religious belief

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207005 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Say something you haven't parroted from someone else

Go

Out if curiosity, did sin exist when you were claiming to be a Christian?

LOL, I almost said "you didn't think about that did you?"

But of course you didn't

Silly me

;)
Yeah, it did.

I woke up and left your death cult. Get over it and go put a white sheet on your pin head.

Or keep neurotically obsessing over my personal life like a demented stalker troll.

*shrugs*

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207006 Jan 23, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>The Jesus could have did that.

































On water.
Would pretty fishies be the lights?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207007 Jan 23, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent, Tide.

But remember, RR truly believes that his god touched him.

That type of person is immune to reason.
I wonder if his god has hands.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207008 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't even know where I stand yet decided to take an exchange over the interpretation of a verse (by responding to a post I made that was actually fairly complimentary of you) and for no reason just decides to turn it into why science is better than religion?

And if I believe Christianity to be true, of course I am not going to think faiths that claim differently are true. What kind of question is that?

I don't have a personal issue with other faiths. I just happen to believe they are mistaken

And I don't expect you to understand why someone would trust something about the spiritual world when I know you don't believe in the spiritual world. But again, I fail to see the point of asking me. You know I am a person of faith yet you are going to ask me if I think trusting in something I believe in my heart to be true is a good thing?

Do you wonder sometimes what exactly it is you are trying to accomplish? I don't kind addressing critics providing the exchange is relevant, adult, and serves a purpose. But these kind of posts that are nothing more than a dressed up version of "religion is stupid" don't have a lot of potential. There really isn't anything productive to build on and not much that can be discussed if expressing that sentiment is pretty much the reason for the exchange
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“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#207009 Jan 23, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If you were told that all Christians are abominations by somebody who believed that it was a fact, you would be howling "bigot!"
I was looking at another thread and found this post at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... that reinforces what I just posted:

"And this blanket statement [about] theists only proves your prejudicial religious bigotry.'Atheists value thinking over blind acceptance of any idea,' Well I got a clue for you, atheists in general that I have met don't value thinking any less or more than a theist. But the fact that you want to say/insinuate theists blindly accept what is taught with no questions prove you as I stated. By the way, most atheists I have met are angry atheists as I define them. Seldom if ever do I come across an atheist who isn't angry and holds theists in contempt as you do. Angry atheists as in this thread proves my point seem to have this need to put down theists in their quest to being a atheist."

This guy is calling another poster a bigot because the other poster referred to theists in a way that the theist considers derogatory - "blindly accept[ing] what is taught with no questions" - and goes so far as to define most atheists as angry.

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#207010 Jan 23, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
You misquoted me. I called you a chicken.
Nope

You said I ran away like a chickenshit

I'm not sure what difference it'd make regardless

But really any response by me is overkill. I'm gonna go back to doing my own thing unless you repeatedly press the point

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207011 Jan 23, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>I was looking at another thread and found this post at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... that reinforces what I just posted:

"And this blanket statement [about] theists only proves your prejudicial religious bigotry.'Atheists value thinking over blind acceptance of any idea,' Well I got a clue for you, atheists in general that I have met don't value thinking any less or more than a theist. But the fact that you want to say/insinuate theists blindly accept what is taught with no questions prove you as I stated. By the way, most atheists I have met are angry atheists as I define them. Seldom if ever do I come across an atheist who isn't angry and holds theists in contempt as you do. Angry atheists as in this thread proves my point seem to have this need to put down theists in their quest to being a atheist."

This guy is calling another poster a bigot because the other poster referred to theists in a way that the theist considers derogatory - "blindly accept[ing] what is taught with no questions" - and goes so far as to define most atheists as angry.
They all think(?) Atheists are "angry", I see it as classic projection.

christians are angry because they are being exposed and confronted, all over the globe and they can't do anything other than foam at the mouth about it.

Atheists and ex cultists are worse than "demons" and witches to them, because we do not accept their illusions or behaviour anymore.

I laugh here, in my relatively stress free leisurely life in paradise but sometimes, I feel deep sorrow for all those who have no clue what true joy is or what freedom brings.

They seem to hate us for that freedom as well, so what do they do?

"Well, Atheists do bad stuffs too! Waaaah! I hate you!"

Ad absurdum.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#207012 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Nope

You said I ran away like a chickenshit

I'm not sure what difference it'd make regardless

But really any response by me is overkill. I'm gonna go back to doing my own thing unless you repeatedly press the point
You said something to that effect in WSJLM and I agree with you on one thing, it is too uneven a match.

So go do your own thing and "pity" me already and quit pontificating about it.
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#207014 Jan 23, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
So you don't even know where I stand yet decided to take an exchange over the interpretation of a verse (by responding to a post I made that was actually fairly complimentary of you) and for no reason just decides to turn it into why science is better than religion?
A debate about the meaning of a piece of scripture is usually a dead end for me. This time I used it to make a larger and more important point.
Skombolis wrote:
And if I believe Christianity to be true, of course I am not going to think faiths that claim differently are true. What kind of question is that?

Consider it a formality I guess.

[QUOTE who="Skombolis"]
I don't have a personal issue with other faiths. I just happen to believe they are mistaken
Where did they go wrong?

Obviously they are employing faith, and so are you. Does that send up any red flags at all?
Skombolis wrote:
And I don't expect you to understand why someone would trust something about the spiritual world when I know you don't believe in the spiritual world.
I understand the psychology pretty well. I was also once a believer of non-material spiritual stuff.
Skombolis wrote:
But again, I fail to see the point of asking me. You know I am a person of faith yet you are going to ask me if I think trusting in something I believe in my heart to be true is a good thing?
I'm particularly interested in why you think, if you do, that one kind of faith is superior to another, in terms of truth.

Is faith a reliable and consistent path to knowledge? What is the efficacy of faith?

Given what you said about Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam, I could guess the answers, but I'm asking you anyways.
Skombolis wrote:
Do you wonder sometimes what exactly it is you are trying to accomplish?
I don't have to wonder, I know.
Skombolis wrote:
I don't kind addressing critics providing the exchange is relevant, adult, and serves a purpose. But these kind of posts that are nothing more than a dressed up version of "religion is stupid" don't have a lot of potential. There really isn't anything productive to build on and not much that can be discussed if expressing that sentiment is pretty much the reason for the exchange
If religion is not a trustworthy path to what is most likely true, I think that's important, and worth arguing, especially given the influence of religion on the world, past, present, and future.

I'm not going to promise you a conversation, and I'm not asking for one. I do appreciate the effort to keep things impersonal. Nobody would benefit from getting insulty.

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#207015 Jan 23, 2014
Off to Hulu.

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#207016 Jan 24, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
A debate about the meaning of a piece of scripture is usually a dead end for me. This time I used it to make a larger and more important point.
<quoted text>
Where did they go wrong?
Obviously they are employing faith, and so are you. Does that send up any red flags at all?
<quoted text>
I understand the psychology pretty well. I was also once a believer of non-material spiritual stuff.
<quoted text>
I'm particularly interested in why you think, if you do, that one kind of faith is superior to another, in terms of truth.
Is faith a reliable and consistent path to knowledge? What is the efficacy of faith?
Given what you said about Scientology, Mormonism, and Islam, I could guess the answers, but I'm asking you anyways.
<quoted text>
I don't have to wonder, I know.
<quoted text>
If religion is not a trustworthy path to what is most likely true, I think that's important, and worth arguing, especially given the influence of religion on the world, past, present, and future.
I'm not going to promise you a conversation, and I'm not asking for one. I do appreciate the effort to keep things impersonal. Nobody would benefit from getting insulty.
I don't think you do understand as demonstrated by thinking it I'd a psychology and by give questions you ask.

If I believe Christianity is right, how can it not be obvious where I think other faiths are wrong?

I never expected you to promise a conversation, quite frankly I wouldn't set my expectations that high. And you may believe you know your purpose but I think your own bias is preventing you from seeing the obvious. You want to believe your lack of faith gives you some sort of justification for feeling superior. But that is skimpily a mask or you wouldn't seek validation as much as you do. Your posts all but say "I sure hope other people who are like-minded see how clever I am being" but you don't recognize the difference between intellectualism and pseudo intellectualism

If you went back even over your questions tonight you could see it. And this isn't meant to be insulting but given your affinity for bullshit I figured you would want it straight.

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