Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#204620 Jan 18, 2014
If Americans are innocent until proven guilty, why does our laws allow the loss of an innocent person's freedom before they're found guilty?

Catch?

Buck?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#204621 Jan 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Are you referring to the rocks from which life spontaneously sprang?
No wait, that was goo.
Never mind.
Goo for you.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#204622 Jan 18, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
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If you don't care about causality, you aren't going to be able to address the root problems, or rehabilitate anyone.
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Huh?
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Those kinds of punishments are completely unethical. Are you suggesting that the ends would justify the means?
I doubt it would do much anyways. Sex offenders are often abused or murdered in prison. A strong deterrent is already in place.
Once they develop the trait they tend to keep it. You either take preventative actions on a society wide basis to catch such behavior before it takes hold, or you remove the threat decisively. Education and religion are the preventative measures. Emphasize social responsibility. That is very hard to do when you have a culture that thinks getting your phreak on is preferable to religious beliefs.

It might not be nice, but guilt can prevent more problems than an anything goes if it feels good environment.

People are pigs unless trained to be people.

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#204623 Jan 18, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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If the clerk has shit around his mouth, I would say "I changed my mind".
Why would he have shit around his mouth?

What kind of sex do they practice in prison?

Oh...never mind.

Good for you.

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#204624 Jan 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Not if it was Jennifer Aniston........
She's a MILF.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#204625 Jan 18, 2014
River Tam wrote:
He has a watch. It's a very special watch.
Everything about him is "special".

Kentucky had a bad enough reputation before he built his unintentional amusement park.

“Input”

Since: Dec 10

Input

#204626 Jan 18, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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If you were in a foxhole behind enemy lines, those are the 4 you want with you.
Except if me and Bongo squared off ourselves.
When I'm in a foxes hole...the very last thing I want is help from some other guy! hahahah

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#204627 Jan 18, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Ah,. Buck, but the US was not founded on Christian principles.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,..."

"Laws of Nature"

Jefferson relies here, for this phrase, on John Locke.

Locke in his "Two Treatises on Government" explains that the "law of nature" is God's general revelation of law in creation. Locke drew the idea from the New Testament in Romans 1 and 2.

From Paul in Romans 1:20 - "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

On the Constitution, as Madison explains in Federalist #51, illustrating the Christian principle of sin and grace, the necessity of government balancing man's depravity with man's dignity:

"But what is government itself but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself"

Madison realized the futility of trying to remove human sinfulness and passions from the population. Therefore, he proposed that human nature be set against human nature. This was done by separating various institutional power structures. First, church functions would not be government functions. Second, the federal government was divided into three equal branches: executive, legislative, and judicial. Third, the federal government was delegated certain enumerated powers while the rest of the powers resided in the state governments. This is called "Federalism", which comes from "foedus", a reference to the tribes of Israel forming a covenant that made them a nation.

Still batting 1000. What else you got?

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#204628 Jan 18, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I've read the books and I have seen rainbows.
If they were just sunlight reflecting off mist you would see them everywhere, not just one or two. I've watched them last 20 minutes in the same place from the same spot. The sun angle changes in 20 minutes. Plus when you can see it and drive into it, then it is just more than a reflection in the sky. In that one I drive into I could still see the arch hitting the pavement an entrance ramp to an expressway length away. It had definition.
You see the total effect from a distance, when inside you see the minute portions that add up to that total effect.
When driving one should keep their eyes on the road. Hands at 10 and 2.

Pay attention <slap>

Whoaaa, duuuude. I just saw a rainbow.

<pull over...back seat, duuuude>

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#204629 Jan 18, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Thank you Buck for giving yet another example of how disingenuous Barton is.
John Adams never said the above. Not as presented, at any rate. This is actually a patchwork "quote", a quote mine of sorts, taken for Adams letter. It is concocted from three different phrases in Adams letter. It is often presented with ellipses (...) to show where the deletions were made, but the example you have given is even so dishonest to leave some of the ellipses out, making it appear as if Adams had written exactly what was presented.
What Adams actually wrote:
Quote
Now, compare the paragraph in the answer with the paragraph in the address, as both are quoted above, and see if we can find the extent and the limits of the meaning of both.
Who composed that army of fine young fellows that was then before my eyes? There were among them Roman Catholics, English Episcopalians, Scotch and American Presbyterians, Methodists, Moravians, Anabaptists, German Lutherans, German Calvinists, Universalists, Arians, Priestleyans, Socinians, Independents, Congregationalists, Horse Protestants, and House Protestants, Deists and Atheists, and Protestants “qui ne croyent rien.” Very few, however, of several of these species; nevertheless, all educated in the general principles of Christianity, and the general principles of English and American liberty.
Could my answer be understood by any candid reader or hearer, to recommend to all the others the general principles, institutions, or systems of education of the Roman Catholics, or those of the Quakers, or those of the Presbyterians, or those of the Methodists, or those of the Moravians, or those of the Universalists, or those of the Philosophers? No. The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence, were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young men could unite, and these principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general principles? I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects were united, and the general principles of English and American liberty, in which all those young men united, and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence. Now I will avow, that I then believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature and our terrestrial, mundane system. I could, therefore, safely say, consistently with all my then and present information, that I believed they would never make discoveries in contradiction to these general principles. In favor of these general principles, in philosophy, religion, and government, I could fill sheets of quotations from Frederic of Prussia, from Hume, Gibbon, Bolingbroke, Rousseau, and Voltaire, as well as Newton and Locke; not to mention thousands of divines and philosophers of inferior fame.
End quote
...continued
That says EXACTLY what the excerpt from it says. How stupid are you?

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#204630 Jan 18, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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So this post of yours reminded me of the words of George Bernard Shaw. Btw anyone that can listen to these words of evil from this man that hid it under a mask is blind.
Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7WBRjU9P5eoXX
did you pass

or fail?

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#204631 Jan 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It shouldn't take 30 friggin years to execute a man after he's been found guilty by multiple courts.
Go to Home Depot, buy a $20 rope and get rid of the worthless trash in the country.
Put some damn fear in the minds of the would-be's by showing harsh punishment to the already-have's.
Harsh punishment.
12 Angry Men.

Fry the MFr. I want to go home.

It's never a given unless you confess of your own free will.

A family in Ohio is suing the Department of Corrections because it took too long for the convicted criminal to die. Even the judge that denied a stay said it was an experiment. The experiment failed miserably. A rope would have been more humane. Drop...snap...twitch...dead.

“Ditat Deus”

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#204632 Jan 18, 2014
River Tam wrote:
She's a MILF.
Is she?

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#204633 Jan 18, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Continued...
Note in particular that
"and the general principles of English and American liberty, in which all those young men united, and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence."
has been left out.
As well has been left out qualifiers concerning those "Christian principles".
As one source on this pointed out, one could just as "honestly" posted the following as being Adams' opinion...
"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence, were … the general principles of English and American liberty … I will avow, that I then believed and now believe that … those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature and our terrestrial, mundane system."
In other words, taking the same source, using the same techniques of selection, one can obtain two quotes that say practically the opposite. This is a points to only one thing...the quote as you presented it is completely dishonest.
This is the type of "scholarship" we have come to expect from Barton, and the type of "scholarship" which Buck supports.
That changes nothing, you Dumbass. It only adds to it. Notice below, the exact copy and paste from your own post, in particlular:

"And what were these general principles? I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects were united, and the general principles of English and American liberty, in which all those young men united, and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence."

So you think adding "the general principles of English and American liberty" negates the assertion of the general principles of Christianity?

Sorry, no.

Still batting 1000.

What else you got, Shit Heel?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#204634 Jan 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't care about rehabilitating violent rapists or child molesters.
I say we put em down like a rabid dog.
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HA HA!
Protective custody, cable TV, Internet access, drugs, porn, blow jobs, anal.... That's prison. That ain't a strong deterrent, obviously.
We need a stronger deterrent.
Fear is a powerful motivator.
Especially for Christians, in theory anyway.

Be good or go to hell.

And yet, our prisons are overcrowded with Christians.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#204635 Jan 18, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It might not be nice, but guilt can prevent more problems than an anything goes if it feels good environment.

People are pigs unless trained to be people.
Two sentences speaking volumes about personal attitude shaping personal views of life......

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#204636 Jan 18, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Everything about him is "special".
Kentucky had a bad enough reputation before he built his unintentional amusement park.
I wanna ride the dinosaur like Jesus did, Daddy.

Can I? Can I? Cain I?

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#204637 Jan 18, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Could your opinion be any more vile, considering your opinion of homosexuals?
Why do you lie? Is is for Jesus?
Why not? You lie for your Jesus.

In fact, you adopted his name.

“Ditat Deus”

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#204638 Jan 18, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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When driving one should keep their eyes on the road. Hands at 10 and 2.
Pay attention <slap>
Whoaaa, duuuude. I just saw a rainbow.
<pull over...back seat, duuuude>
With airbags, ain't your hands s'posed to be at 9 & 3?

I dunno.

I just cruise with one wrist at noon...

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#204639 Jan 18, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I say we put em down like a rabid dog.

HA HA!

Fear is a powerful motivator.
See what I've been telling you about your child rearing practices?

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