Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#201770 Jan 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Cigarettes or a hummer - hmmm.
That reminds me of this Jack Benny gag. Benny was known for his cheapness, at least that was his act. Here's the gag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =-tVzdUczMT0XX
Cigarettes, the cheap ones, are $34 a carton here. The pleasure lasts a few days.

A hummer doesn't.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#201771 Jan 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Do you think so? I would be surprised. I think you underestimate the power of faith in the face of any evidence. In my opinion, if there actually were a race of gods, that they came to earth to present themselves to us and show mankind that all existing religions are wrong, and then did magic including walking on water and raising the dead, the most faithful would simply reject them as Satan's demons.
There is no possible evidence that will overcome faith. The faithful ask for it, but the request is insincere, if for no other reason than the fact that we know that they do not need evidence to believe, and don't accept evidence that contradicts the articles of faith.
Its only an average of approx.. 25 thousand days and everyone finds out the mystery. Some of us are get closer, oh joy

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201772 Jan 11, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Wedge Document is propaganda supporting Darwin Evos or neo Darwinists.
That is incorrect. You should read it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201773 Jan 11, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
Time can't exist unless you have something ticking away to mark it. That can only arise with motion, or what we call transversing distance. You can measure a star passing across your view and you have time to measure. You can gaze into nothingness and the only time that exists will be the ticks of the motions within your mind. Take away your mind and any other motion and time ceases. You flat just don't exist. But you do. You understand it being the result of a universe set into motion. So you exist and can contemplate it. That setting into motion is the real trick. In your experience here nothing moves unless something caused it to move.
This reminds me of some lyrics:

You got to deep-six your wristwatch, you got to try and understand,
The time it seems to capture is just the movement of its hands.

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#201774 Jan 11, 2014
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Its only an average of approx.. 25 thousand days and everyone finds out the mystery. Some of us are get closer, oh joy
I never saw a mystery in dead people. In the morgue, they never moved unless I moved them. When I left them in a certain place they were always there waiting when I checked. Of course, some left and some entered when I was off shift.

C'est la vie

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#201775 Jan 11, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF are you talking about?
You'll have to forgive Clearwater.

He's had a tough life, and as a result he's a wallower.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201776 Jan 11, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
What are you grateful to, IANS?
Grateful in the intransitive sense - no object is necessary.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Why would you need to be grateful?
I don't need to be.
Dave Nelson wrote:
You mentioned before about as a doctor they treated you like a god.
Your words, not mine.
Dave Nelson wrote:
.You fell a long ways, IANS.
I've had a good life, but never been better than now. How about you?

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#201777 Jan 11, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Faith based thought includes atheism since atheism cannot be proven to be objectively true. I don't know what you find so hard to understand about that. Your atheism assumes no God. It assumes no soul in humans. It assumes rights derive from men and not God. It assumes no ultimate accountability to God. You yourself marginalize the Declaration of Independence ignoring the fact the document itself separated the United States from Great Britian. It was a document of Revolution.
<quoted text> Just use Theists.
<quoted text> If you derive at your atheism based on the evidence then you should be able to make your case for atheism based on the evidence. So far all we see is you running vilifying Theists, stating things like churches are worthless, even implying they should be burned down. You like to frame the argument as faith based thinkers vs. rational skeptics. All that ignores the fact you cannot prove any of what you assume to be true. Claiming to be an evidence based thinker is nothing more than chest thumping and self promotion. When it comes to God your so called open mind slams shut.
Yeah, mine does too.

My mind shuts down when it comes to anything supernatural--gods, ghosts, witchcraft, astrology, seers, Santa Claus, hexes, black cats crossing, fairies, all that stuff.

To me, all these concepts are silly.

I really don't even give the supernatural a second though, other than to observe others' takes on it.

It's just the way I am I guess. I don't remember ever thinking that there's a god, even as a child.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#201778 Jan 11, 2014
We knew you would have all the answers. How about this one? Did dinosaurs come equipped with saddles or did the flintstones come up with that idea?
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#201779 Jan 11, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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I never saw a mystery in dead people. In the morgue, they never moved unless I moved them. When I left them in a certain place they were always there waiting when I checked. Of course, some left and some entered when I was off shift.
C'est la vie
Your spirit moves on. I suppose many will be surprised its not just lights out.

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#201780 Jan 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Everyone here is "superior"... to something.
Learn language. It can have fruitful rewards. Moron.
My real-life persona is as much a mystery to you as logic and reason.
Commenting on it makes you a fool.
That is why you dedicate your life to being a keyboard warrior. Be "superior" at babbling in forums as that is what you devote your life too... Go strong noble one, intimated them with your typing skills.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201781 Jan 11, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
Faith based thought includes atheism since atheism cannot be proven to be objectively true. I don't know what you find so hard to understand about that.
It's simple to understand. I just don't agree.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Your atheism assumes no God. It assumes no soul in humans. It assumes rights derive from men and not God. It assumes no ultimate accountability to God.
None of those is correct.My atheism is nothing but a statement that I am a rational skeptic that has seen no evidence in support of any god claim.
lightbeamrider wrote:
You yourself marginalize the Declaration of Independence ignoring the fact the document itself separated the United States from Great Britian. It was a document of Revolution.
I have no idea why you say that.
lightbeamrider wrote:
If you derive at your atheism based on the evidence then you should be able to make your case for atheism based on the evidence.
This is never ever going to end, is it? I don't base my atheism on evidence. I base it on the lack thereof.
lightbeamrider wrote:
So far all we see is you running vilifying Theists, stating things like churches are worthless, even implying they should be burned down.
You have me confused with somebody else. I don't vilify theists (can you produce a counterexample?), I rarely discuss churches except the one I attended in the 70's, which I praised, and I do not advocate arson,

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201782 Jan 11, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
You like to frame the argument as faith based thinkers vs. rational skeptics.
What is your legitimate objection to that?
lightbeamrider wrote:
All that ignores the fact you cannot prove any of what you assume to be true.
I only need proof to be certain. I believe many things with less than certitude.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Claiming to be an evidence based thinker is nothing more than chest thumping and self promotion..
I disagree.

What is your objection to my taking pride in being an evidence based thinker?
lightbeamrider wrote:
When it comes to God your so called open mind slams shut.
Which god is "God" to you? Jesus? It would help if you would identify your god. I don't agree that Jesus is a god. Nor Yahweh, nor YHWH, nor Jehovah. Did you mean one of those? If so,what can you offer an evidence based thinker in support of any of those?

And are you offended that I don't share your values? Is that what you mean by "slams shut"? I think that I shut the door on that quite gently.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201783 Jan 11, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
More on the Wedge Document. http://www.discovery.org/a/2735
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Discovery Institute and "Theocracy". Overview: Periodically certain Darwinists make false and unsubstantiated claims that Discovery Institute advocates “theocracy” or is part of the “radical Christian right” or supposedly supports something called “Christian reconstructionism.” These charges are little more than smears, and they show the bankruptcy of the Darwinists’ own position. Rather than argue about the substance of the scientific debate over neo-Darwinism, all Darwinists can do is engage in baseless ad hominem attacks. The “Wedge Document”: How Darwinist Paranoia Fueled an Urban Legend. Overview: In 1999 someone posted on the internet an early fundraising proposal for Discovery Institute’s Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture. Dubbed the “Wedge Document,” this proposal soon took on a life of its own, popping up in all sorts of places and eventually spawning what can only be called a giant urban legend. Among true-believers on the Darwinist fringe the document came to be viewed as evidence for a secret conspiracy to fuse religion with science and impose a theocracy. These claims were so outlandish that for a long time we simply ignored them. But because some credulous Darwinists seem willing to believe almost anything, we decided we should set the record straight. For a more detailed response please read "The Wedge Document: So What?".
Did you have an opinion or claim that went with this?

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#201784 Jan 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The equation says nothing about power.
You are an idiot.
You can't win an argument so you must call someone names.

PS I don't care what you and Christinem are discussing. What you have to say is louder than the discussion.

I love that you have dedicated your boring, I mean thrilling life to being a keyboard warrior (I get the irony, but it is against what you do, not what you say).

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#201785 Jan 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Grateful in the intransitive sense - no object is necessary.
<quoted text>
I don't need to be.
<quoted text>
Your words, not mine.
<quoted text>
I've had a good life, but never been better than now. How about you?
Yet you have the instinct to be. Maybe a vestige of your religious training.

Only because of the phrasing not being exact.

Would be a shame to leave the party when things were going so well.

I can leave with a clear conscience and nothing getting in the way. Like a good party getting better. I've lived enough to know what life isn't, and I don't have the desperation to maintain it you have. Like you, I won't remember a thing that happened here. No matter what happens afterwards.

Savor the moment. But alas, that dies with you, too.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#201786 Jan 11, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
Cigarettes, the cheap ones, are $34 a carton here..
Is that your brand - the "cheap ones"?
Dave Nelson wrote:
The pleasure lasts a few days.
Pleasure isn't the correct word. Relief from the pain of withdrawal is more accurate.

You're pretty shameless about all of this, aren't you?

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#201787 Jan 11, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. He was a good christian and followed the babble teaching in his genocide. His views on Darwinism or Eugenics or the Arian race is incidental.
Please don't educate Buck, it will just destroy his delusion.

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#201788 Jan 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a bald-faced liar.
You are not to be believed on any subject, particularly this one.
So pervasive is your dishonesty, you are willing to take this hateful position, and to boldly tell lies in the face of history.
And then pretend on other posts you respect "evidence"?
You are a pathetic human being.
‘… struggle, selection, and survival of the fittest, all notions and observations arrived at … by Darwin … but already in luxuriant bud in the German social philosophy of the nineteenth century.… Thus developed the doctrine of Germany’s inherent right to rule the world on the basis of superior strength …[of a]“hammer and anvil” relationship between the Reich and the weaker nations.’
‘… Their political dictionary was replete with words like space, struggle, selection, and extinction (Ausmerzen). The syllogism of their logic was clearly stated: The world is a jungle in which different nations struggle for space. The stronger win, the weaker die or are killed ….’
-Tenenbaum
Again with theist and the "no true Scotsman fallacy".

Your warrior sword is small with this one.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#201789 Jan 11, 2014
Atomic_G wrote:
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Please don't educate Buck, it will just destroy his delusion.
His head is full of pig shit, there's no room for knowledge.

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