Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197015 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
For practical purposes, the Constitution means what the people paid and empowered to interpret it tell us it means.
Bongo wrote:
Now I know why you scurried to Mexico.
Scurried? This was a good move.

Do you resent my decision to expatriate? It sounds like it.

Let me say this: When I was living in America, I got the distinct feeling that conservatives and Christians didn't consider me much of an American, and would want me gone. Has that changed in my absence?
Bongo wrote:
The wrong people could never make their way into power could they?
Don't ask me.

Although I wish the Mexican people well and am grateful to have been welcomed into their country and treated so well, I really don't understand their culture or their politics, and don't take the active interest in either that I took in American politics. I couldn't tell you if the current president is considered liberal or conservative. Nor the last one.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197016 Dec 29, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Yeah. My two cents... I don't think the lack of theistic belief is a philosophy. Some may disagree, but once you step outside of what - atheist - means(which is the one thing atheists share in common), then you get into various flavors of what a person thinks for themselves as individuals. The one commonality between atheists is that we don't have a belief in gods, we don't have a book we follow. We don't, as an all encompassing group or aggregate, attend "atheist" services. Put one hundred atheists in a room. Among those hundred there will be thousands of other differences, just the one thing, >no theistic god belief<, is the only similarity we share. Sure, we may enjoy football(that's not atheism), camping(that's not atheism), science(that's not atheism) etc... I think an atheist would and does, by definition, have to adhere to the one precept of atheism; No theistic belief that there are deities or a deity. It(atheism) is a disbelief. So, in that narrow application I'd imagine you could say that is "fundamental" to being an atheist. On the other hand, there isn't a "universal philosophy" that surrounds atheists or atheism. We might agree or disagree about many things, none, essentially, that are connected to being atheist. Everyone has principles, beliefs and other ideas that they are certainly entitled to hold, or not hold, and I won't disagree with that. I support that. That doesn't remove those principles, beliefs or ideas from the arena of public discussion, nor does it preclude them from criticism or outright rejection and noting that, publicly. That also doesn't tie any of those aspects that atheists might share in common to being "atheist", in specific..
I'd agree with this.
scaritual wrote:
We just have that one, singular thing we share in common - no theistic deity belief.
And this. I don't see a whole belief system there. Nor do I see why anybody would argue otherwise, even if they were right. Why bother?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197017 Dec 29, 2013
Bongo wrote:
I just had this thought, you figure youre gonna be ok if God is real.
Any god except your god and maybe Allah. Those gods will want to hurt me.
Bongo wrote:
I don't think youre a true atheist, not that theres anything to wrong with that.
Why is that? Because I agree that gods have not and cannot be ruled out? That's what makes me an agnostic atheist.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197018 Dec 29, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> No Sir, Myself and multitudes of others have received a great gift, He revealed himself to us. Many have died over this rather than submit to the enemies.
He has not revealed himself to me. Maybe he loves you more.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197019 Dec 29, 2013
no happy atheists wrote:
Public Warning: There are atheists out walking the streets brutally putting people in the hospital as they play their evil game called "Knockout". It's the latest tortuous crime they've come up with since they've committed their lives to rejecting God, the Holy Bible, and don't have the courage to be a Christian.
You are a great testimony to the power of Christ and the Holy Spirit to change lives.

And look up tortuous. It doesn't mean what you seem to think. The word you want is tortuRous.
haha

United States

#197020 Dec 29, 2013
no happy atheists wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism= Hatred and Bigotry
Yep!

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197021 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
LOL. Your cluelessness in posting is epic.
The world has been very good to me, Dave, and never better than now.
Dave Nelson wrote:
If it has been so good to you then why do you bitch about it so much?
Whatever are you talking about, Dave? I criticize the state America is in, the church, medical science, and you - not my life. My little world is pretty much isolated from all of that. It is a happy place. When have I ever bitched about my life?

How about you, Dave? Are you fulfilled? Do your cat, your new telephone and your cigarettes complete you?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197022 Dec 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Godwin's law could be modified to also apply to references to Pol Pot and Stalin.
Well then I've got just the thing for you - Godbot's law:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197023 Dec 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
I do recall some sad soliloquies and rueful reminiscences.
And laconic lamentations, turgid threnodies, pompous palaver, and orotund oratories

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#197024 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read a few thousand words of Dave's scientific poetry - EM, magnetic flux, telluric currents, etc - and have learned nothing from any of it, and have profited zero from the effort. What am I missing in your estimation? What have you learned from, and how has it enriched your understanding of reality?
Or is your defense of him just throwing him a bone?
I like Dave.
LCNin

United States

#197025 Dec 29, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
Creationist Cult Members couldn't attack Atheism so they attack Liberalism instead (Nothing to do with Atheism)
Many good atheists are liberals as well.

As we grow up

some people come to the realization

that Good People often hold different views.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#197026 Dec 29, 2013
River Tam wrote:
I like Dave.
OK.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#197027 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, thanks for that.
<quoted text>
That is incorrect.
<quoted text>
That is also incorrect. Existence and non-existence are not dependent on interpretation.
<quoted text>
And wrong yet again.
<quoted text>
I defer to your expertise in that department.
Have you got a science poem for us today?
<quoted text>
"I dunno" is the sine qua non of agnosticism, Aristotle.
You need some Wheaties, vitamins, or something besides bong smoke. You are weak, IANS, and getting weaker. Your punches have nothing behind them.

That Alzheimer's is gonna get you, dood.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#197028 Dec 29, 2013
River Tam wrote:
I like Dave.
Me too.

I used to watch Chappelle's Show all the time.

You weren't talking about Dave Coulier, were you? Cut. It. Out.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#197030 Dec 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a very constrained question that can't be answered with a simple yes or no. After all, there are presently 7 billion different views on what is best and what isn't. So I will answer the only way it can be.
There is no doubt in my mind that Bill and Hillary Clinton love and want what is best for their country the same as Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, and Mao Zedong. You can also throw Louis XIV and a few others in that same group, including Attila.
That's unfortunate that partisan hate runs that deep in you that you can't admit presidents are patriots without comparing presidents of the opposing party to mass murderers

Nothing personal but you are everything that is wrong with politics today. That may sound insincere but it really isn't. There are many like you. It is becoming the norm not the exception. I don't know if it means you are just susceptible to propaganda brain-washing or if you would have come to those feelings without the influence of places like Fox News. Usually I hate people I would consider bigots. I don't consider you a bigot. Calling someone a political bigot would be a stretch even in the most broad sense of the usage. But I feel bad for you. Someone might be tempted to re-use this analogy in a different way but I feel bad you can't see thru the lies. Manipulating the masses is what the powers-that-be do best. Those are the people I reserve my disgust for. But you have been put to war with half of your fellow Americans who should be your allies and not only you don't see it, you think it makes you the patriot. It is sad stuff. And again, not trying to be condescending either. It is legitimately how I feel. With even the years of his post-presidency to factor into account and you still compare him to a mass-murderer? That is sad.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#197031 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
I became aware of Beale through Jon Stewart: You might enjoy his comedian's take:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/19/jon-ste...
That's great political circus. Welcome to the Big Top. Right this way to the Egress.
I think most Americans don't bat an eye over this kind of thing any more. Nixon shocked and traumatized the nation, but covering up a break-in that the president almost certainly didn't know about until after the fact is pretty small potatoes nowadays.
Thanks for the link

That was actually how I first became aware of it too!

People can call the Daily Show a fake news show but the truth is someone can stay pretty current watching it and get a good laugh! And he is way more even-handed then most people who don't watch him think
LCNin

United States

#197032 Dec 29, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the link
That was actually how I first became aware of it too!
People can call the Daily Show a fake news show but the truth is someone can stay pretty current watching it and get a good laugh! And he is way more even-handed then most people who don't watch him think
Daily Show is excellent ...thanks for your posts

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#197033 Dec 29, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>That's unfortunate that partisan hate runs that deep in you that you can't admit presidents are patriots without comparing presidents of the opposing party to mass murderers
Nothing personal but you are everything that is wrong with politics today. That may sound insincere but it really isn't. There are many like you. It is becoming the norm not the exception. I don't know if it means you are just susceptible to propaganda brain-washing or if you would have come to those feelings without the influence of places like Fox News. Usually I hate people I would consider bigots. I don't consider you a bigot. Calling someone a political bigot would be a stretch even in the most broad sense of the usage. But I feel bad for you. Someone might be tempted to re-use this analogy in a different way but I feel bad you can't see thru the lies. Manipulating the masses is what the powers-that-be do best. Those are the people I reserve my disgust for. But you have been put to war with half of your fellow Americans who should be your allies and not only you don't see it, you think it makes you the patriot. It is sad stuff. And again, not trying to be condescending either. It is legitimately how I feel. With even the years of his post-presidency to factor into account and you still compare him to a mass-murderer? That is sad.
You must be on the rag today.

Ask Buck about me and Reagan.

I don't worship politicians or their parties.

The Clintons are meglomanical maniac rabblerousers who kill those who get in their way.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#197034 Dec 29, 2013
LCNin wrote:
<quoted text>
Daily Show is excellent ...thanks for your posts
Yep

Thx for yours as well

And at least you have seen a bit of my range up front as far as my personality so I don't have to worry about the potential shock factor later on as in "whoa where did that come come?" LOL

(T) Peace

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#197035 Dec 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be on the rag today.
Ask Buck about me and Reagan.
I don't worship politicians or their parties.
The Clintons are meglomanical maniac rabblerousers who kill those who get in their way.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask Buck about me and Reagan.
Were you two an item? Good for you.

Which of you was older?

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