Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#197034 Dec 29, 2013
LCNin wrote:
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Daily Show is excellent ...thanks for your posts
Yep

Thx for yours as well

And at least you have seen a bit of my range up front as far as my personality so I don't have to worry about the potential shock factor later on as in "whoa where did that come come?" LOL

(T) Peace

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#197035 Dec 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You must be on the rag today.
Ask Buck about me and Reagan.
I don't worship politicians or their parties.
The Clintons are meglomanical maniac rabblerousers who kill those who get in their way.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Ask Buck about me and Reagan.
Were you two an item? Good for you.

Which of you was older?

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#197036 Dec 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You must be on the rag today.
Ask Buck about me and Reagan.
I don't worship politicians or their parties.
The Clintons are meglomanical maniac rabblerousers who kill those who get in their way.
I didn't say you partisan hate was balanced with partisan love

And asking Buck anything to do with understanding what someone else wrote isn't going to be something I am going to make a practice of

I realize that you see that as somehow a justification for comparing Clinton to Hitler. That you also aren't big fans of some other people so therefore the unjustified hate rhetoric you reserve for one part is more acceptable. You will have to forgive me if i don't see the connection. Then again maybe it is me. I don't see the connection between a mass-murderer and a man who could have made way more in the private sector but dedicated his life to public service all the way up to the presidency because he loves his country.

If you are so far gone that you can't see that presidents, all presidents, are patriots then the political gap that divides this country won't be bridged anytime soon. I take some solace in the fact that I think the coming generations will be smarter in this regard. Or they may simply just be too apathetic to care. But either way, the insanity that exists today will start to die out as people do. Please don't take that as a subtle inference as to my wishes for you personally. I would have to be insane to think one voice out of millions being absent would make any difference. I am simply saying I will be glad in general when the people who think like you no longer have a voice that carries any weight. As it is, the pendulum is already starting to swing back to normalcy. People are tired of the smear campaigns and hate and propaganda.

And I see some of the fringe elements of the Republican party as the enemy. So I don't pretend not to have my own line in the sand. But I don't hate them. I simply find them dangerous. Although I find ignorance in general dangerous. Adding hate to it is like adding a match to dynamite. I find you smart enough to know the difference. That is why it bothers me particularly more so in these kinds of situations. Surely you know comparing Clinton to Hitler for the rhetoric it is yet you did it anyway. You ought to think about why

Just saying

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#197037 Dec 29, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah.
My two cents...
I don't think the lack of theistic belief is a philosophy. Some may disagree, but once you step outside of what - atheist - means(which is the one thing atheists share in common), then you get into various flavors of what a person thinks for themselves as individuals.
The one commonality between atheists is that we don't have a belief in gods, we don't have a book we follow. We don't, as an all encompassing group or aggregate, attend "atheist" services.
Put one hundred atheists in a room.
Among those hundred there will be thousands of other differences, just the one thing, >no theistic god belief<, is the only similarity we share. Sure, we may enjoy football(that's not atheism), camping(that's not atheism), science(that's not atheism) etc...
I think an atheist would and does, by definition, have to adhere to the one precept of atheism; No theistic belief that there are deities or a deity.
It(atheism) is a disbelief. So, in that narrow application I'd imagine you could say that is "fundamental" to being an atheist.
On the other hand, there isn't a "universal philosophy" that surrounds atheists or atheism. We might agree or disagree about many things, none, essentially, that are connected to being atheist.
Everyone has principles, beliefs and other ideas that they are certainly entitled to hold, or not hold, and I won't disagree with that. I support that. That doesn't remove those principles, beliefs or ideas from the arena of public discussion, nor does it preclude them from criticism or outright rejection and noting that, publicly. That also doesn't tie any of those aspects that atheists might share in common to being "atheist", in specific.
We just have that one, singular thing we share in common - no theistic deity belief.
"Disbelief in deities" and "no belief in deities" are not the same thing.

Their is variation of belief in all belief systems, including the atheist belief system.

Atheism is a belief - that no god exists.

It is an affirmative speculation, it posits a truth claim that exceeds knowledge.

Atheism is not an absence of belief, nor a lack of a propositional truth.

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#197038 Dec 29, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
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Atheism = No theistic deity belief.
(RR! Dude! You were right about somethi
No, it isn't.

Loose Fur, I know you reported me to Topix moderators.

If you get me kicked off this thread, I won't be that disappointed.

Others might be, since they have a good time jousting with me.

So do you worst, you little child.
christINSANITY is EVIL

Leamington, Canada

#197039 Dec 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You need some Wheaties, vitamins, or something besides bong smoke. You are weak, IANS, and getting weaker. Your punches have nothing behind them.
That Alzheimer's is gonna get you, dood.
still PROJECTINg eh Bucko..

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#197040 Dec 29, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
Darn phone!
Atheism = Lack of a theistic belief there are deities.
Atheism = Absence of belief in theistic deities.
Athei
RESPONSE FROM URI NODELMAN, SENIOR EDITOR, STANFORD ENCYCLOPEDIA OF PHILOSOPHY:

"In our understanding, the argument for this broader notion was
introduced into the philosophical literature by Antony Flew in "The
Presumption of Atheism" (1972). In that work, he noted that he was
USING AN ETYMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT to try to convince people *not* to
follow the *STANDARD MEANING* of the term. His goal was to reframe
the debate about the existence of God and to re-brand "atheism" as a
default position.

Not everyone has been convinced to use the term in Flew's way simply
on the force of his argument. For some, who consider themselves
atheists in the traditional sense, Flew's efforts seemed to be an
attempt to WATER DOWN a perfectly good concept. For others, who
consider themselves agnostics in the traditional sense, Flew's efforts
seemed to be an attempt to re-label them "atheists" -- a term they
rejected.

All the best,

Uri Nodelman Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Senior Editor

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#197041 Dec 29, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
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Atheist = Does not believe in deities.
RR may have been right about one thing.
I'm an Atheist.
I don't believe in any theistic deities.
That's lack of belief.
I also love popcorn. Do I eat popcorn for Atheism?
No, I eat it because I love popcorn, it's yummy.
Please answer:

I believe no god or gods exist.

A. True

B. False

Answer that, and I will tell you whether you are an atheist.

Obviously, you don't know if you are or not.

By the way, I already know the answer. In other posts, you affirm the belief that no god exists.

But when you discuss the meaning of "atheism", you deny that belief.

There's a word for that.

“Love much, trust none”

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#197042 Dec 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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"Disbelief in deities" and "no belief in deities" are not the same thing.......
ROFLMAO

I hope for your sake you don't really believe the crap you post.

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#197043 Dec 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You misunderstand. I'm in favor of a safety net, and I think social security is a great program. I'd go much further, by the way, to help those who are in need.
No, let me correct you.

You would, if you could, require other people to go much further.

Nobody is stopping you from going further now.

That's one feature of the liberal - willing to give somebody else's shirt off their back.
Bongo

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#197044 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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He has not revealed himself to me. Maybe he loves you more.
Maybe.For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

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#197045 Dec 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Please answer:
I believe no god or gods exist.
A. True
B. False
Answer that, and I will tell you whether you are an atheist.
Obviously, you don't know if you are or not.
By the way, I already know the answer. In other posts, you affirm the belief that no god exists.
But when you discuss the meaning of "atheism", you deny that belief.
There's a word for that.
So do you believe in dragons too?

I believe a dragon or dragons exist.
I believe no dragon or dragons exist.

Yes or no ? Fruity Buckles
Atheist on a unicorn.

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#197046 Dec 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Did you hire Bongo to be your cheerleader?
Or did he volunteer?
If you're paying him, I hope it's the minimum wage.
Of course I would pay him minimum wage.

After all, you would not expect that if he agreed to exchange work for a price, and I agreed to the same, and his mother and sister agreed to the same, that we would actually be free to do that?

Right?

What kind of country would that be, where two people can enter into a voluntary, mutually beneficial economic agreement? We can't have that shit.

Bongo and I would be helpless with out Momma Government to constrain us from agreeing with each other. Right?

And if I can't afford to pay Bongo minimum wage, he would be better off without the work and better off receiving no wage at all. Right?

And I would be better off with my work just going undone, and get on welfare. Right?

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#197048 Dec 29, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
That's unfortunate that partisan hate runs that deep in you that you can't admit presidents are patriots without comparing presidents of the opposing party to mass murderers
As it relates to Clinton. One of my favorite lesbians in Camille Paglia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
Paglia characterizes herself as a Clinton Democrat and libertarian.[7][56] She opposes laws against prostitution, pornography, drugs, and abortion.[63] Paglia criticized Bill Clinton for not resigning after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which she says "paralyzed the government for two years, leading directly to our blindsiding by 9/11."[64]
Bongo

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#197049 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Scurried? This was a good move.
Do you resent my decision to expatriate? It sounds like it.
.
Not at all, scurried seemed like a good word because you didn't stay and fight, if that's what you felt your only option was. Btw Ive been to mexico for more than 15 years as a business friend had ex pated to the guadalajara area. He left here for much different reasons than yours.

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#197050 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I've read a few thousand words of Dave's scientific poetry - EM, magnetic flux, telluric currents, etc - and have learned nothing from any of it, and have profited zero from the effort. What am I missing in your estimation? What have you learned from, and how has it enriched your understanding of reality?
Or is your defense of him just throwing him a bone?
A confirmation, more or less, of properties I already suspected.

Like the recapitulation in all of nature, even in cosmogenesis, of the smallest events in atoms and molecules.

I read somewhere that a cell in the human body stores only enough nutrients to live for 24 hours.

"Give us this day our daily bread"

Synchronicity.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#197052 Dec 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You misunderstand. I'm in favor of a safety net, and I think social security is a great program. I'd go much further, by the way, to help those who are in need.
You were the one grousing about government programs while receiving the benefits
This makes me think you have no credibility , you just admonished Buck , saying that you hope he only paid me minimum wage. A family man currently paying 4 ivy league college bills with a fifth coming next year. Then again, if you had your way, my kids could have all got a free ride off the govt. all of them having achieved scholar athelete award status in high school among other things. Do you advocate that min. wage concept for perceived or real poor performance for yourself and all the inept lawyers who have lost for their clients resulting in financial ruin and jail time?

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#197053 Dec 29, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> As it relates to Clinton. One of my favorite lesbians in Camille Paglia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
Paglia characterizes herself as a Clinton Democrat and libertarian.[7][56] She opposes laws against prostitution, pornography, drugs, and abortion.[63] Paglia criticized Bill Clinton for not resigning after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which she says "paralyzed the government for two years, leading directly to our blindsiding by 9/11."[64]
Awwww. I thought I was your favourite lesbian.

< sad face >

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#197054 Dec 29, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> This makes me think you have no credibility , you just admonished Buck , saying that you hope he only paid me minimum wage. A family man currently paying 4 ivy league college bills with a fifth coming next year. Then again, if you had your way, my kids could have all got a free ride off the govt. all of them having achieved scholar athelete award status in high school among other things. Do you advocate that min. wage concept for perceived or real poor performance for yourself and all the inept lawyers who have lost for their clients resulting in financial ruin and jail time?
I tried to follow that but then I got bored and said, "Fuckit".
Bongo

Coram, NY

#197055 Dec 29, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Awwww. I thought I was your favourite lesbian.
< sad face >
whos the old chick in the photo?

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