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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#196954 Dec 29, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>As opposed to all the squeaky clean administrations and all those who rose to power by handing out hugs?
I am not even going to ask you for examples because it wouldn't matter. We could tit for tat on every president back to Washington
Yes or No, do you think Bill Clinton loves his country and wanted what was best for it?
Please don't include anything else in your answer to that question other than what I asked
Obviously anything you want to get into aside from that is up to you. But I would like an honest answer. No partisanship. No bias. Insofar as that is possible for anyone. But yes or no?
That is a very constrained question that can't be answered with a simple yes or no. After all, there are presently 7 billion different views on what is best and what isn't. So I will answer the only way it can be.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bill and Hillary Clinton love and want what is best for their country the same as Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, and Mao Zedong. You can also throw Louis XIV and a few others in that same group, including Attila.

Since: Jan 11

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#196955 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TUGI0DVLLAKD7M2H N/post196813
<quoted text>
OK. Thanks for that.
I can't agree, however. The ID community is in conflict with mainstream biologists, which is what anti-evolution means to me. The fact that the movement embraces a corrupted form of the theory does not change that any more than my calling the laws of physics "god" makes me any less atheistic.
And I really don't see how you can divorce the term "intelligent design" from a creator.
Well, the Architect came up with the intelligent design.

The creator was just the lowest bidder.

And it shows.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#196956 Dec 29, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>Well, the Architect came up with the intelligent design.

The creator was just the lowest bidder.

And it shows.
lol

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196958 Dec 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
If you are an atheist, you believe there are no deities.
There are none that want to be known.But who knows what's hiding out there?
http://www.andyramblings.co.uk/uploads/Image/...
Buck Crick wrote:
If you refrain from belief on the subject, as you claim, then you are an agnostic.
Who among us doesn't believe that there probably is a god, or probably no god, or that it's 50-50, or some other position in the spectrum of belief and unbelief? How can you refrain from having an opinion or belief in that department?

Maybe you mean incapable of belief, as with a microcephalic or a comatose person?

Agnosticism is absence of knowing, not the absence of belief. I know how you like roots:

Agnostic - from a- "not" + gnostos "(to be) known"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#196960 Dec 29, 2013
LCNin wrote:
An evangelical atheist troll is often one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being,
but
is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance coupled with juvenile profanity.
I don't think I've ever responded to you before. If your reported location is correct, you live where I used to.

Well, it seems like your gripe is with evangelism, intolerance, and juvenile profanity, but is it really? Do you oppose these things regardless of their source, atheists or theists? Do you think one group engages in these things more than the other?

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#196961 Dec 29, 2013
Laughing wrote:
<quoted text>I will leave the atheist alone, if he/she will leave me and my family alone. It is our freedom to do what we want, and I do not want them up in my face screaming. If they do then I will take up for myself. This is in retaliation for what a dude on here said to me in person. I know who you are and you know who I really am. Atheist crack me up! Tell us Mister atheist, what is the basis of any belief in an atheist universe? Is there something like free will in this purposeless cause and effect chain of a cosmos? And where does human thought come from? Is it material or immaterial? If it is immaterial, then can immaterial things be real?
Aren't all our thoughts simply the result of electrochemical processes in the physical brain? If so, then all your thoughts, including those posted here, are ultimately predetermined by the temps and trajectory of material particles starting at the Big Bang. You think your atheist thoughts (and I my Christian thoughts) because that is what blind unconscious material forces produced.
Yet here you were, an atheist, talking as if there really was a God just for the attentions of a beautiful woman. But we know how you talked when she was not around. If you did get her, would you try to change her with violence and force? I know for a fact that she attends Church every weekend. What a riot you are!
Dave?

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196962 Dec 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Please explain how that means the Constitution contains a right to an abortion.
For practical purposes, the Constitution means what the people paid and empowered to interpret it tell us it means.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#196963 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
There are none that want to be known.But who knows what's hiding out there?
http://www.andyramblings.co.uk/uploads/Image/...
<quoted text>
Who among us doesn't believe that there probably is a god, or probably no god, or that it's 50-50, or some other position in the spectrum of belief and unbelief? How can you refrain from having an opinion or belief in that department?
Maybe you mean incapable of belief, as with a microcephalic or a comatose person?
Agnosticism is absence of knowing, not the absence of belief. I know how you like roots:
Agnostic - from a- "not" + gnostos "(to be) known"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
There is no way you can "know" there is a god or not from this perspective, therefore the default "lack of belief" would be agnosticism. The existence or non-existence of such would be based upon interpretation of what you observed, which is necessarily limited by perspective. "Atheism" is an advocation there is none, not a passive I don't know, and thus a belief system.

But the simple minded with aspirations and ego will use the term "atheist" because it sounds intellectual to them. After all, what else could the simple minded with ego do? It gets confusing for them to reconcile the finer points of word usage. If they just did an honest simple minded "I dunno" they could then advance in their thinking instead of being stuck in a confused circular state of thinking, which is not their strongest suit in this game of life.
Jim

London, UK

#196964 Dec 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Wish him luck with that.
PUBLIC WARNING: Creationist Cult Members active on topix Atheism forum:

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LCN (paid propogandist)
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Since: Dec 12

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#196966 Dec 29, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>PUBLIC WARNING: Creationist Cult Members active on topix Atheism forum:

Dave Nelson
Buck Crick (ex convict)
LCN (paid propogandist)
Bongo
Riverside Redneck
antiatheist
WarForOil

share / add to list & inform others.
Four of those are considered trolls, like Shrinkie dink and assssup, by me anyway.
Jim

London, UK

#196967 Dec 29, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't begin to unravel all the logical distortion in this post.
I'll do the basic one - again, which unravels the rest.
Atheism is not the absence of a god belief. It is the presence of a god belief, namely, that god does not exist.
Atheism is a belief system. Components of it vary from one group to another, but all have certain commonalities.
Likewise, Abrahamic religions have a belief system. Components of it vary from one group to another, but all have certain commonalities.
As I said, I'm onto the ruse. It is pursuit of a rhetorical and philosophical advantage by trying to install atheism as an intellectual default position. The desired result, some of which is already accomplished, is the luxury of saying "your position is belief, mine is pure rationality", or "infants and children are atheists; theism has to be indoctrinated". Such idiocy is seen promoted on this thread repeatedly.
The ruse is so transparent we can trace its genesis, and it doesn't go back that far.
Atheism - a simple disbelief in religion and religious liars like you buck!:)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196968 Dec 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/ us/10-things-colorado-recreati onal-marijuana/index.html?hpt= hp_t1 Soon. But $200 an ounce?
You're paying too much.

In Mexico, pot goes for about 800 pesos a half kilo for the high quality stuff - about $3.50 an ounce - or so I'm told.

Jon Stewart on Yom Kippur: "Yom Kippur. Greatest Jewish holiday ever. The Jewish day of atonement. You don’t eat for one day, all your sins for the year are wiped clean. Beat that with your little “Lent.” What is Lent? Forty days of absolution. Forty days to one day. Even in sin you’re paying retail."

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#196969 Dec 29, 2013

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196970 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You're paying too much.
In Mexico, pot goes for about 800 pesos a half kilo for the high quality stuff - about $3.50 an ounce - or so I'm told.
Jon Stewart on Yom Kippur: "Yom Kippur. Greatest Jewish holiday ever. The Jewish day of atonement. You don’t eat for one day, all your sins for the year are wiped clean. Beat that with your little “Lent.” What is Lent? Forty days of absolution. Forty days to one day. Even in sin you’re paying retail."
This is incorrect. I still have trouble with metric. It's 800 pesos for a quarter kilo - about a half pound. That makes the price about $7 an ounce.

I'm worse with centigrade temperatures.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#196972 Dec 29, 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25302...

The power of Hollywood to mass produce mindless liberals.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196973 Dec 29, 2013
River Tam wrote:
Your whining is unbecoming. Grab those bootstraps with both hands. Sexually speaking, of course.
That sounds eerily familiar. Maybe I'm channeling you. Platonically speaking, of course.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196975 Dec 29, 2013
River Tam wrote:
That's the markup, Dave. I can get it to for a lot less than that. Better shit, too. Call me, bitch.
Get out of my head!(Platonically, of course)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196977 Dec 29, 2013
Laughing wrote:
I will leave the atheist alone, if he/she will leave me and my family alone.
Deal. If only the church were so considerate.
Laughing wrote:
Tell us Mister atheist, what is the basis of any belief in an atheist universe?
Gladly. Rational skepticism.
Laughing wrote:
where does human thought come from? Is it material or immaterial?
It is an immaterial epiphenomenon of matter, like gravity.
Laughing wrote:
If it is immaterial, then can immaterial things be real?
Yes, like gravity.
Laughing wrote:
Aren't all our thoughts simply the result of electrochemical processes in the physical brain? If so, then all your thoughts, including those posted here, are ultimately predetermined by the temps and trajectory of material particles starting at the Big Bang.
That may be correct. It's very difficult to determine (pun intentional).
Laughing wrote:
You think your atheist thoughts (and I my Christian thoughts) because that is what blind unconscious material forces produced. Yet here you were, an atheist, talking as if there really was a God just for the attentions of a beautiful woman.
We're skeptical, not stupid.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196978 Dec 29, 2013
http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2008/11/17/...
Tide with Beach wrote:
I bet he got teased a lot.
And ratted out.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#196979 Dec 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>**PORTIONS SNIPPED**And I realize that many of you Christians are offended by comments such as these. But they are commonly held beliefs among unbelievers. Isn't it time to stop being offended and to begin looking at ways to project a more sympathetic image to such people? Unbelievers are in ascension. Don't you want to be thought of in as favorable a light as possible? You are free to react however you please, but what is in your best interest?
.. change is a moving, magnificent phenomenon ..

.. for the most part, in the past two months you've been able to ignore the regular assassinations on your character and move beyond the paltriness. That's indicative of change, spiritual growth ..

.. did you discover there's no real joy in insulting or hurting others, that you're only indulging in exasperating intellectual and emotional calisthenics ??..

.. transformation is rather fascinating to me. I think it takes courage. Your thoughts ??..

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