Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196183 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I will never be an atheist.
<quoted text>
You obviously do...
Considering you are the religious troll, failing in the atheist forum, what does that say about your certainty?
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196184 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There's a huge difference between a god and a religion of that god.
You're an idiot.
You keep saying "you're an idiot", but there's no evidence for god coming out of your liar mouth.
Jim

Scunthorpe, UK

#196185 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Many Topix Atheists! were also Christian.
IANS, karl44 and boooots come to mind.
But they're not Christian any more.
Like Hitler.
Your point?
you only get a point when you present evidence of the god you've failed to lie about successfully here.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#196186 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well, you're wrong.
Hitler represented the Nazis, not the German people.
No more than Robertson represents American Christians.
I'd have to disagree with that about the German people.

I read Wm Schierer's "Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" expressly to find that out - how did the German people allow this to happen?(and I have a partial Germanic heritage so let's dispense with that).

You're right - a few people did express reservations. A very few. They didn't do it for long.

But the disheartening thing was that the vast - vast - majority of the people were supportive, and very often wildly enthusiastic, and yes, even with the Jewish pogroms, ghettos, and inevitable genocide (Google "Einsatzgrupen" (sp?)). The historical antecedents that led to that place are complex, but the fact remains, Hitler did in fact substantially represent the German people.

Sentiment didn't really begin to turn (very quietly) until after the failed Russian campaign.

And those historical antecedents relative to the Jews can be traced directly to Martin Luther.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#196187 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Many Topix Atheists! were also Christian.
IANS, karl44 and boooots come to mind.
But they're not Christian any more.
Like Hitler.
Your point?
Good point. I'm not Christian anymore, nor am I German.

But it is a flawed separation. I still like church potlucks, and sauerkraut.

Since: May 10

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#196188 Dec 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Atheism is a religion like health is a disease state.
Atheism is a religion like death is a lifestyle.
Atheism is a religion like nonsmoking is a habit.
Atheism is a religion like fasting is a menu entree.
Atheism is a religion like unemployment is a career choice.
Atheism is a religion like nudity is a fashion style.
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.
Atheism is a religion like off is a radio station and silence a song playing on it.
Atheism is lack of belief like celibacy is lack of a dick.

Since: May 10

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#196189 Dec 26, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>I'd have to disagree with that about the German people.
I read Wm Schierer's "Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" expressly to find that out - how did the German people allow this to happen?(and I have a partial Germanic heritage so let's dispense with that).
You're right - a few people did express reservations. A very few. They didn't do it for long.
But the disheartening thing was that the vast - vast - majority of the people were supportive, and very often wildly enthusiastic, and yes, even with the Jewish pogroms, ghettos, and inevitable genocide (Google "Einsatzgrupen" (sp?)). The historical antecedents that led to that place are complex, but the fact remains, Hitler did in fact substantially represent the German people.
Sentiment didn't really begin to turn (very quietly) until after the failed Russian campaign.
And those historical antecedents relative to the Jews can be traced directly to Martin Luther.
First, that "tracing" to Martin Luther is nonsense.

Second, it was Christians that put Hitler and his campaign down, sacrificing the lives of their Christian sons and daughters to do so.

Monuments attest to it:

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-31519816/stoc...

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#196190 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
“Some beliefs are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them”
Sam Harris, The End of Faith, pp.52-53.
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I can see no justifiable reason to kill a person for a belief.
I'm not atheist.
I hope you're not just posing. But if so, well, you're more evolved than me.

After seeing the senseless destruction and tragic deaths of innocents on 9/11 at the hands of those motivated by "a belief", I wanted to see bin Laden's bloody head on a pole (and still considered myself a devoted Christian in 2001). I was exultant at his death - only wished it could have been ten years sooner, and of the lingering kind.

But I feel a similar sense of anger when I see the film about the indoctrination of children at Jesus Camp. Or read about the Salem witch trials. Or the systematic rape and pillage of whole nations under the banner of the Cross. Or...

What can I say? I'm only human.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196191 Dec 26, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Six people don't represent Christianity.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
They can, and in this case, I say they do. Besides, you've pretty much disqualified yourself from being able to make an argument like the one you just made by piling on during the Stalin stuff. You thought Stalin represented atheism well enough to try to indict atheism using his name, and I'll bet you that almost no unbeliever reading these words endorses him in any way.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Because Stalin DID represent atheism.
But Bush and Robertson don't represent Christianity.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You're not the kind of guy that would deliberately offer a type of argument that he wouldn't accept himself, are you? If not, I think you need to change some part of your opinion to reconcile its components.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I don't understand.
I thought that the words spoke for themselves, but maybe not. This issue doesn't really deserve any more words except to say that after all of your talk about double standards, that was an amazing set of comments from you.

Since: May 10

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#196192 Dec 26, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
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And those historical antecedents relative to the Jews can be traced directly to Martin Luther.
Just when I thought you were beginning to connect to knowledge...

The historical antecedents relative to the Jews?

You'll have to go back a bit farther than Luther.

"Oh that mine head were waters and mine eyes a fountain of tears that I might weep day and night for the slain daughters of my people." -Jeremiah 9

Hitler's call to action was Darwinism.

The Nazis appropriated language and concepts from evolution, genetics, medicine, the germ theory of disease, and anthropology as propaganda tools to promote their ideology of racial purity.

Since: May 10

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#196193 Dec 26, 2013
Jim wrote:
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hitler was Christian until the time he commited suicide.
And you'll be a moron until the time you do the same.

Or natural causes ensue.

You will likely die from chasing cars.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#196194 Dec 26, 2013
Happy Holidays everyone.

(And yes, to you Christmas Warriors, that includes Christmas.)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#196195 Dec 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Homosexuality is abnormal..
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Only in the same sense that left-handedness, having an IQ over 160, and having type AB blood are abnormal.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Less than 10% of the world population are left handed. That is abnormal. Abnormal doesn't mean bad.
Yes, I know. That was my point to Dave. Did you tell me that because you think that I thought otherwise?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#196196 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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First, that "tracing" to Martin Luther is nonsense.
Living in a terrarium might be comforting, but if you're going to participate in a public forum, is it too much to expect for you to bring some facts besides "That's nonsense"?

It is what it is, friend. Denying history leads to nothing but repetition of it's mistakes.

Martin Luther was quite possibly the single most influential German on Germanic history and national state of mind. Yes, or no?

Martin Luther was virulently, publicly antisemitic. Yes, or no?

Politicians and writers were quoting Luther's views right into the 20th century. Yes, or no?

Now, how do you propose to divorce the two?

Here's another one for ya - Luther's antisemitism derives directly from the Bible, more specifically from Paul.

Yowza!
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Second, it was Christians that put Hitler and his campaign down, sacrificing the lives of their Christian sons and daughters to do so.
Monuments attest to it:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-31519816/stoc...
Oh come on. Really?

How many crosses can be found in German battlefield cemeteries?

You're just floundering wildly now.........

On this Hitler score, I'm trying to tell both sides that religion had next to nothing to do with it. You're just playing the partisan game.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#196197 Dec 26, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Just when I thought you were beginning to connect to knowledge...
After saying something like this...
Buck Crick wrote:
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Atheism is lack of belief like celibacy is lack of a dick.
...I think your claims to knowledge have lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
Buck Crick wrote:
Hitler's call to action was Darwinism.
Right, which is why Darwin was banned in Nazi Germany. Makes perfect sense (in a Buck sort of way). Clearly you haven't read any of Hitler's Mein Kampf. If you ever do, you should make note of all the mentions of "his Creator".

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#196198 Dec 26, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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He reminds me of my dog.
I love him to death but I never tire of watching him run into the invisible fence. I'm like, "Mia, watch. He's going to do it again."
Yes, indeed.

The difference? Eventually, your dog **will** learn. Alas... the same cannot be said for your typical godbot.

Putting your dog in a superior position, learning-wise.

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#196199 Dec 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/rel igion/atheism/TUGI0DVLLAKD7M2H N/post196088
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But Bush and Robertson don't represent Christianity.
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I thought that the words spoke for themselves, but maybe not. This issue doesn't really deserve any more words except to say that after all of your talk about double standards, that was an amazing set of comments from you.
Exactly. If Redneck thinks that Stalin represents all of atheism, why doesn't he accept that Fred Phelps represents all of Christianity?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#196201 Dec 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You'll willfully ignore all the Christian attitudes
What "christian attitudes" would that be?

Yours?

Because we have all seen how much hate your attitude has.

Hmmmm.....

... just like your Jesus taught to you to hate? Right?

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#196202 Dec 26, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Fixed, static, or finite - the choice doesn't change a thing. It's just a semantic ploy piled on top of a previous semantic ploy in service to an attempt to demonize a scientific theory for no other reason than that it >seems< to threaten the fundamentalist status quo.
Total and complete, laissez-faire, free-market capitalism is a branch of science describing an economic theory, end and period. It is not "selfish" any more than it can be angry, sad, happy or glad. Those are merely anthropomorphic descriptors of it's effects in the hands of humans.
Exactly like correlating Darwinism with Hitler.
Wrong;

"Finite" resources, as assigned to biological Darwinism suggest "infinite" resources with regard to capitalism. This is erroneous because both sets of resources are "finite", or limited by actual quantity.

The resources of one are fixed, or static, as opposed to the other, in which resources increase with increased capitalist activity.

"Selfishness" is a characteristic operating in both systems.

The Hitler to Darwin link is obvious and inescapable. If you properly provoke me, I will post a couple of hundred posts proving it.

Some on here have seen me do that, and would likely not wish to see it again.

“National Socialism (Nazism) is nothing but applied biology."

- Deputy Nazi Party leader, Rudolf Hess.

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#196203 Dec 26, 2013
Jim wrote:
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you only get a point when you present evidence of the god you've failed to lie about successfully here.
Too bad for you I don't need to follow your mandate.

I am not required to prove God to you or anyone else.

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