Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#194818 Dec 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Is this the objective morality you were talking about? Did your god evolve as well?
God depicted does not change.
I see that you still haven't gotten your spiritual gifts.
???. What do you know about spiritual gifts?
You did, however, throw out your natural gifts - your faculty for reason and your faculty for conscience. You've substituted faith for reason,
Faith and reason are not polar opposites.
and a cruel, ancient, and irrational ethical system for your innate sense of right and wrong, which would have told you that rape and slavery are wrong.
Rape and slavery wrong? To quote you,''Is this objective morality you are talking about?'' You have no objective basis for your claim given your atheism. Hypocrite. Seems you cannot comprehend the natural consequences of your assumptions. To quote Buck (which you never answered) Is your statement, rape and slavery wrong objectively true?
I provided you with several examples of scripture authorizing nonconsensual sexual relations with women.
No you did not. You assume rape because of your jaundiced view of Scripture. Wives had conjugal rights. That means husbands had obligations to have sex with their wives. Females were given 30 days to morn and then the husband went into them and there was a transfer from slave to wife which was an elevation in status. Slavery was an act of mercy as opposed to killing them off. You quote from Judges and ignore context which was a time of apostasy and anarchy.
Your answer was that times were different then.
Yes they were. In Scripture there is concessions. Divorce and polygamy are two examples. These are due to what the Bible calls hardness of heart.
Now you add that some rapes were not OK, and that in other cases, if the men married the women, all was fine.
You, on the other hand, obsess over things that went on 3000 years ago and exercise indifference towards arranged marriages today? So strange. You do not really care about slavery or arranged marriages. Your real agenda has to do with ranting against Scripture in which you only demonstrate ignorance. You don't know what you are writing about.
Sorry, but humanistic ethics run circles around that.
I don't think Humanists celebrate ignorance and prejudice. You are a poor example.

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#194819 Dec 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
That happens a lot with Christians - calling hate love.
Truth telling not hate.
But they come by it honestly. They are taught that their god loved us so much he built a hell, staffed it with a monster, crucified somebody, and said that if we didn't worship him, he'd keep us alive after death and torture us, too - forever.
How's that for perfect love?
We are warned in advance. Hell should come as no surprise. You sell your birthright for a single meal. Your choice. Don't blame God for what you bring on yourself.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#194820 Dec 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup.
How many people smoke marijuana in america?
In 2008, the documented marijuana users in america was at 4.2 million. Among youths from age 12-17 the rate of use was at 6.7%. A lot of people smoke and are not counted in any statistics.
http://www.ask.com/question/how-many-people-s...
I think she's confusing how many smoke pot vs how many have tried it.
I think it was typical topix atheist prevaricating, dissembling and misinformation. Its a good thing us Christains are critical thinkers.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#194821 Dec 21, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Truth telling not hate.
<quoted text> We are warned in advance. Hell should come as no surprise. You sell your birthright for a single meal. Your choice. Don't blame God for what you bring on yourself.
Would quality time with a copious nymphet be construed as a sale?
Bongo

Coram, NY

#194822 Dec 21, 2013
nymphet

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#194823 Dec 21, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
What first amendment rights?
Are you talking about free speech? I hope not because he exercised the hell out of that right. The first amendment guarantees that the government won't arrest or otherwise sanction you for your speech (as long as it's not a danger to others, of course). Last I heard, Phil wasn't under arrest. Hold on a minute, let me check something..........Nope, A&E is not the government.
You should try to understand the subject before leaping in.
I disagree with everything The Beard said on this subject - but, dammit, he has the right to say it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#194824 Dec 21, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the Latin meaning.
Dicotyledons (typically flowering plant seeds) have sets of cells called "photophiles", which grow up, and "photophobes", which grow down. "Phobe" does not necessarily mean "fear".

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#194825 Dec 21, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
I disagree with everything The Beard said on this subject - but, dammit, he has the right to say it.
Good on ya

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#194826 Dec 21, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> God depicted does not change.
<quoted text> ???. What do you know about spiritual gifts?
<quoted text> Faith and reason are not polar opposites. <quoted text> Rape and slavery wrong? To quote you,''Is this objective morality you are talking about?'' You have no objective basis for your claim given your atheism. Hypocrite. Seems you cannot comprehend the natural consequences of your assumptions. To quote Buck (which you never answered) Is your statement, rape and slavery wrong objectively true?
<quoted text> No you did not. You assume rape because of your jaundiced view of Scripture. Wives had conjugal rights. That means husbands had obligations to have sex with their wives. Females were given 30 days to morn and then the husband went into them and there was a transfer from slave to wife which was an elevation in status. Slavery was an act of mercy as opposed to killing them off. You quote from Judges and ignore context which was a time of apostasy and anarchy. <quoted text> Yes they were. In Scripture there is concessions. Divorce and polygamy are two examples. These are due to what the Bible calls hardness of heart.<quoted text> You, on the other hand, obsess over things that went on 3000 years ago and exercise indifference towards arranged marriages today? So strange. You do not really care about slavery or arranged marriages. Your real agenda has to do with ranting against Scripture in which you only demonstrate ignorance. You don't know what you are writing about.
<quoted text> I don't think Humanists celebrate ignorance and prejudice. You are a poor example.
.. thanks for your scholarly theological wisdom ..

Rape isn't rape.
Wives had conjugal rights.
Men had to have sex with their wives.
Slavery & polygamy good.

.. oh, to return to those golden days of old ..

.. wise men go where fools dare not thread ..

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#194827 Dec 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Good on ya
That's what Libertarianism really means.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#194828 Dec 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
. Having an anti-gay marriage stance does does not make one anti-gay.
That's your opinion. Mine is the opposite. And I'm not alone.

I get it that you don't care what other people think, but large numbers of us see that attitude as selfish and hostile. Where does your bible say to oppose gay marriage? Do you think your r salvation will be at risk if you are kind to gay people and do unto themas you would have them do unto you?

If not, what is your argument justifying you position? Do you have one? Or maybe you don't think you need to think it through - that it's just OK to have a thoughtless position and run with the religious herd.

In any event, many people see this unending hazing of gays by the Christians as mean-spirited bullying. You believe that they're already slated for eternity in hell. Isn't that enough for you?

“Ditat Deus”

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#194829 Dec 21, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
That's what Libertarianism really means.
That's freedom, baby.

Whether it be the Phil guy expressing his views or the super gays expressing their views at the gays parades.

So long as it's peaceful, it's all good.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#194830 Dec 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You exalted the gay Catholic teacher for coming out and teaches all the kids that it's ok to stand up for what you believe in. You condemn the Phil guy for doing the same thing. Imagine that.
Three things:

[1] It is OK to stand up for your beliefs, although there may be a price.

[2] Not everything belief is worthy,and some are considered evidence of character flaws.

[3] This teacher thing is not an issue regarding what he believes, but about how the church treated him for being gay, and how the young people that knew him view that treatment.

“Ditat Deus”

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#194831 Dec 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

That's your opinion. Mine is the opposite. And I'm not alone.

That's your opinion. Mine opposite.

[QUOTE] I get it that you don't care what other people think, but large numbers of us see that attitude as selfish and hostile. Where does your bible say to oppose gay marriage? Do you think your r salvation will be at risk if you are kind to gay people and do unto themas you would have them do unto you?
Woah there, big dog.

I ain't mean to gay folks. I am kind to them.

I think I'd be a risk if salvation if I weren't.

Love your neighbor and al that jazz, remember?
If not, what is your argument justifying you position? Do you have one? Or maybe you don't think you need to think it through - that it's just OK to have a thoughtless position and run with the religious herd.
See? You think it's thoughtless decision. You're far from correct.

The decision is based off of our morality, not our whims.

The morality of right & wrong that we've learned from church and the Bible. That morality teaches us about sin and how sin is wrong and that premarital sex is a sin.

This is true whether it's a hetero- or a homosexual couple.
In any event, many people see this unending hazing of gays by the Christians as mean-spirited bullying. You believe that they're already slated for eternity in hell. Isn't that enough for you?
Hazing?

Hazing?!?

I don't believe they're slated for hell. I think everyone has a chance at salvation.

It's never too late.

Except for Michael Jackson.

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#194832 Dec 21, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Best band on the planet!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6T0ulHCb9VIXX
Right. You have good taste, Boner on Porn.

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#194833 Dec 21, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Dicotyledons (typically flowering plant seeds) have sets of cells called "photophiles", which grow up, and "photophobes", which grow down. "Phobe" does not necessarily mean "fear".
So "homophobe" means they go down on themselves?

Remind me to do some yoga.

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#194834 Dec 21, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. thanks for your scholarly theological wisdom ..
Rape isn't rape.
Wives had conjugal rights.
Men had to have sex with their wives.
Slavery & polygamy good.
.. oh, to return to those golden days of old ..
.. wise men go where fools dare not thread ..
I waxed a bit nostalgic myself. <sigh>

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#194835 Dec 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

Three things:
[1] It is OK to stand up for your beliefs, although there may be a price.
[2] Not everything belief is worthy,and some are considered evidence of character flaws.
[3] This teacher thing is not an issue regarding what he believes, but about how the church treated him for being gay, and how the young people that knew him view that treatment.
1. Agreed.

2. Agreed.

3. Not only did the students stand up for him but adults did, too. There were several Catholic groups that ceased funding immediately because they thought the school was unfair to the teacher. I agree with that decision.

I think he should have told his superiors in advance, only because he was teaching at a Catholic school and obviously a gay teacher goes against their beliefs. He didn't respect their beliefs but expected them to respect his.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

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#194836 Dec 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Woah there, big dog.
I ain't mean to gay folks. I am kind to them.
I think I'd be a risk if salvation if I weren't.
Love your neighbor and al that jazz, remember?
<quoted text>
See? You think it's thoughtless decision. You're far from correct.
The decision is based off of our morality, not our whims.
The morality of right & wrong that we've learned from church and the Bible. That morality teaches us about sin and how sin is wrong and that premarital sex is a sin.
This is true whether it's a hetero- or a homosexual couple.
<quoted text>
Hazing?
Hazing?!?
I don't believe they're slated for hell. I think everyone has a chance at salvation.
It's never too late.
Except for Michael Jackson.
I don't get it RR. On another thread you said you would encourage your sons to live with their mates before marriage...you are foolish is you don't think that will lead to sex...yet you think it is a sin. You are a Christian yet you encourage them to be in a situation that if you are honest you know they will.

Do you honestly think that your sons would live with someone they hopefully loved for 4 or 5 years and not give in to that?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#194837 Dec 21, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get it RR. On another thread you said you would encourage your sons to live with their mates before marriage...you are foolish is you don't think that will lead to sex...yet you think it is a sin. You are a Christian yet you encourage them to be in a situation that if you are honest you know they will.
Do you honestly think that your sons would live with someone they hopefully loved for 4 or 5 years and not give in to that?
No, of course not. I know they're gonna have sex. I know it's a sin, they know it's a sin.

I just want them to be absolutely certain about the woman before they get married.

I think I might be mixing a little secularism with Christianity.

I have no doubt I'll be answerable for it when my judgement comes.

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