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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

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#194589 Dec 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not Catholic.
Thanks for the info.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

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#194590 Dec 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
He was suspended for his religious views and his first amendment rights.
It’s ok for you to express your opinion but it’s not ok for him?
What first amendment rights?

Are you talking about free speech? I hope not because he exercised the hell out of that right. The first amendment guarantees that the government won't arrest or otherwise sanction you for your speech (as long as it's not a danger to others, of course). Last I heard, Phil wasn't under arrest. Hold on a minute, let me check something..........Nope, A&E is not the government.

You should try to understand the subject before leaping in.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

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#194591 Dec 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> We had a similar situation regarding the termination of a teacher at a Catholic School. I forget what she was into which went against Catholic teaching. The school was not shut down. It got a lot of ink in the paper. If young people leave the church because they can't deal with the teachings, C'est La Vie. We do not need moral idiots in the church calling wrong right.
Its not about popularity, its about truth and right and wrong. Do you think everybody is stupid who do not agree with you? That says more about you than it does about anyone else. Personally, i don't give a rats as# about homosexuality. I just had a bi sexual friend call on the phone. I did not answer because it is Friday night and he is probably drunk. I will call him back in the morning. Being human we are all prone to some type of sexual sin and shortcomings. We fall short. We have a homosexual at work. Talk to him all the time. I don't browbeat or make fun of him although others do. One guy suggested he get a tattoo of a bulls eye on his behind. Its about getting along with others in spite of differences if they are in your life. Being friends. The guy is hard working and always on time. Its not my business what they do on their off time.
It's nothing to me. If you're not interested in the future of your church, that's your business.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#194592 Dec 20, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
I fully agree with legalising cannabis. In my state, there's only a caution if you are caught with a small amount anyway.
I don't know if I agree with you about the heavier chemical drugs.
So you are in full agreement with living with a nuclear disaster? Just because the nuclear plant operator smoked pot before starting his shift?

How about the nuclear plant operator taking a smoke break with cannabis about 30 minutes before there’s a complete meltdown?

Are you willing to take a plane ride with the airline pilots high on cannabis? It wouldn’t bother you the mechanic who works and fuels up the aircraft is high on weed?

How about the tractor trailer driver carrying 8,000 gallons of liquid propane gas rolling down the freeway at 70 mph smoking cannabis and you are in the car next to him?

Or the engineer on a train going 80 mph around a curve with 85 rail cars of toxic chemicals through you town?

Since: Dec 12

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#194593 Dec 20, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>It's a bit hypocritical to say you are free to, when interest groups act as a police state to get you hounded out of your job if you do.

It's disingenuous to call that "free".
In a workplace situation there is no freedom of any kind other than maybe you get to choose what food and drinks you consume on breaks. Except for the one who answers to no one, sometimes not even that one.

I was under the impression this was not a conversation set in the workplace but a public forum.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#194594 Dec 20, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the Latin meaning.
Buck does know the difference between Latin, Greek and English. He is just slightly less illiterate in English.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#194595 Dec 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are in full agreement with living with a nuclear disaster? Just because the nuclear plant operator smoked pot before starting his shift?
How about the nuclear plant operator taking a smoke break with cannabis about 30 minutes before there’s a complete meltdown?
Are you willing to take a plane ride with the airline pilots high on cannabis? It wouldn’t bother you the mechanic who works and fuels up the aircraft is high on weed?
How about the tractor trailer driver carrying 8,000 gallons of liquid propane gas rolling down the freeway at 70 mph smoking cannabis and you are in the car next to him?
Or the engineer on a train going 80 mph around a curve with 85 rail cars of toxic chemicals through you town?
So we should ban alcohol just like pot, right ?

<face palm>
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194596 Dec 20, 2013
Kyle Zripolo, student at McMartin School

McMartin ritual abuse case in Manhattan Beach, CA, 1983-84
"same time, being the type of person I was, whatever my parents wanted me to do, I would do. And I thought they wanted me to help protect my little brother and sister who went to McMartin... I think I got the satanic details by picturing our church. We went to American Martyrs, which was a huge Catholic church. Every Sunday we had to go, and Mass would last an hour, hour and a half. None of us wanted to go: It was kicking and screaming all the way there. Sitting, standing, sitting, standing. What I would do was picture the altar, pews and stained-glass windows, and if [investigators] said,'Describe an altar,' I would describe the one in our church. Or instead of,'There was a priest in a green suit'—someone who was real—I would say,'A man dressed in red as a cult member.' From going to church you know that God is good, and the devil is bad and has horns and is about evil and red and blood. I'd just throw a twist in there with Satan and devil-worshipping.
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194597 Dec 20, 2013
Jeff Sharlet
author of "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power"
keyword(s)
religion
Congress
fundimentalism
Christian Right

A secretive group known as The Fellowship, or “The Family,” is one of the most powerful Christian fundamentalist movements in the United States. The Family’s devoted membership includes congressmen, corporate leaders, generals and foreign heads of state.

Unlike other Christian right groups, they [The Family] don’t really believe that you’re in power because you’re a good person.They believe that they are the “new chosen,” that you’re chosen for power by God. You’re not so much elected by the people as selected from above. And when you’re in that position, it doesn’t matter what you do. In a similar vein, the foreign leaders with whom they work, the dictators, about whom they have no illusions, are chosen by God for their countries, regardless of how brutal they are.
"
They [The Family] believe that organized labor is ungodly, perhaps Satanic. It [The Family] began with this vision in 1935 that the New Deal and organized labor were literally a Satanic conspiracy they had to fight back.
In the 1950s, in the Cold War, they started moving overseas and identifying strongmen, dictators, who they thought were effective in the fight against communism, who they thought were effective in the fight for free markets. And [Indonesian dictator General] Suharto was one of those men. Even the CIA, which helped him orchestrate his coup, later said it was one of the worst mass killings of the twentieth century.
The Family leaders called it a spiritual revolution and began sending delegations of congressmen, oil executives, over to meet with Suharto. They then hosted Suharto in the United States Senate. And they effectively became his most persuasive champions within the US Congress, as the United States funneled billions of dollars toward his military regime.

Since: Jan 11

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#194598 Dec 20, 2013
"I'm not Catholic."
River Tam wrote:
Thanks for the info.
Other popular 16th century pick up lines include:

"You wanna come over and see my dad's slaves?"

"I took a bath this year."

"I crossed the ocean to escape religious persecution. I stayed for you."

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#194599 Dec 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are in full agreement with living with a nuclear disaster? Just because the nuclear plant operator smoked pot before starting his shift?
How about the nuclear plant operator taking a smoke break with cannabis about 30 minutes before there’s a complete meltdown?
Are you willing to take a plane ride with the airline pilots high on cannabis? It wouldn’t bother you the mechanic who works and fuels up the aircraft is high on weed?
How about the tractor trailer driver carrying 8,000 gallons of liquid propane gas rolling down the freeway at 70 mph smoking cannabis and you are in the car next to him?
Or the engineer on a train going 80 mph around a curve with 85 rail cars of toxic chemicals through you town?
What if anyone of them was drunk instead? Or wasted on legal pills? Or maybe both together?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#194600 Dec 20, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
What first amendment rights?
Are you talking about free speech? I hope not because he exercised the hell out of that right. The first amendment guarantees that the government won't arrest or otherwise sanction you for your speech (as long as it's not a danger to others, of course). Last I heard, Phil wasn't under arrest. Hold on a minute, let me check something..........Nope, A&E is not the government.
You should try to understand the subject before leaping in.
He expressed his views which resulted in oppression and retaliation. That is not free speech.

A&E is not the government but it’s bound to obey the law of the government which includes Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin;

That means you can not fire someone because of the religious views and practices.

UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194601 Dec 20, 2013
Jeff Sharlet
author of "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power"


keyword(s)
religion
Congress
fundimentalism
Christian Right
quotation
[The Family] is a group that is explicitly opposed to democracy, explicitly opposed to doing things in public. They believe the more invisible you can make your organization, the more influence you can have. They’re acting like a lobby; they’re not registering like a lobby.
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194602 Dec 20, 2013
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
Jeff Sharlet
author of "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power"
keyword(s)
religion
Congress
fundimentalism
Christian Right
A secretive group known as The Fellowship, or “The Family,” is one of the most powerful Christian fundamentalist movements in the United States. The Family’s devoted membership includes congressmen, corporate leaders, generals and foreign heads of state.
Unlike other Christian right groups, they [The Family] don’t really believe that you’re in power because you’re a good person.They believe that they are the “new chosen,” that you’re chosen for power by God. You’re not so much elected by the people as selected from above. And when you’re in that position, it doesn’t matter what you do. In a similar vein, the foreign leaders with whom they work, the dictators, about whom they have no illusions, are chosen by God for their countries, regardless of how brutal they are.
"
They [The Family] believe that organized labor is ungodly, perhaps Satanic. It [The Family] began with this vision in 1935 that the New Deal and organized labor were literally a Satanic conspiracy they had to fight back.
In the 1950s, in the Cold War, they started moving overseas and identifying strongmen, dictators, who they thought were effective in the fight against communism, who they thought were effective in the fight for free markets. And [Indonesian dictator General] Suharto was one of those men. Even the CIA, which helped him orchestrate his coup, later said it was one of the worst mass killings of the twentieth century.
The Family leaders called it a spiritual revolution and began sending delegations of congressmen, oil executives, over to meet with Suharto. They then hosted Suharto in the United States Senate. And they effectively became his most persuasive champions within the US Congress, as the United States funneled billions of dollars toward his military regime.
May 1990, States News Service released a study in Washington by Kathy Kadane

Noam Chomsky, Year 501, p131
keyword(s)

war crimes
"
The U.S. government played a significant role [ in the 1965 Indonesian genocide by Suharto] by supplying the names of thousands of Communist Party leaders to the Indonesian army, which hunted down the leftists and killed them... As many as 5000 names were furnished to the Indonesian army, and the Americans later checked off the names of those who had been killed or captured.
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194603 Dec 20, 2013
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>May 1990, States News Service released a study in Washington by Kathy Kadane
Noam Chomsky, Year 501, p131
keyword(s)
war crimes
"
The U.S. government played a significant role [ in the 1965 Indonesian genocide by Suharto] by supplying the names of thousands of Communist Party leaders to the Indonesian army, which hunted down the leftists and killed them... As many as 5000 names were furnished to the Indonesian army, and the Americans later checked off the names of those who had been killed or captured.
Confronting the Third World, Gabriel Kolko, p181
keyword(s)

Indonesia genocide
Indonesia
foreign policy
quotation
The "final solution" to the Communist problem in Indonesia was certainly one of the most barbaric acts of inhumanity in a century that has seen a great deal of it; it surely ranks as a war crime of the same type as those the Nazis perpetrated. No single American action in the period after 1945 was as bloodthirsty as its role in Indonesia, for it tried to initiate the massacre, and it did everything in its power to encourage Suharto, including equipping his killers, to see that the physical liquidation of the PKI was carried through to its culmination.

Not a single one of its officials in Washington or Djakarta questioned the policy on either ethical or political grounds; quite the contrary. "The reversal of the Communist tide in the great country of Indonesia" was publicly celebrated, in the words of Deputy Undersecretary of State U. Alexis Johnson in October 1966, as "an event that will probably rank along with the Vietnamese war as perhaps the most historic tuming point of Asia in this decade."

A State Department estimate [in 1965] placed the figure at roughly 300,000, a number former ambassador Jones employed when he published his memoirs five years later—though he, too, did not exclude 500,000. Other estimates range up to I million dead, and official Indonesian data released a decade later gave 450,000 to 500,000 as the number killed.

As stunning as these figures are, not a single official U.S. document dealing with them has ever expressed dismay or regret!
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#194604 Dec 20, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
So we should ban alcohol just like pot, right ?
<face palm>
They say it’s harmless and safer than alcohol. At least that’s what the dope heads claim.

Let’s make it legal and wait until two thirds of the United States is poisoned and burned down before we make it illegal again.

Sounds like you wouldn’t mind having a Chernobyl or Fukushima in your back yard would you?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#194605 Dec 20, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
What if anyone of them was drunk instead? Or wasted on legal pills? Or maybe both together?
Pot heads claim weed is safer than alcohol. Just like smoking a cig at break.
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194606 Dec 20, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
What if anyone of them was drunk instead? Or wasted on legal pills? Or maybe both together?
Yep US is Illegal/Drug Capital of the World!
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#194607 Dec 20, 2013
UiDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Confronting the Third World, Gabriel Kolko, p181
keyword(s)
Indonesia genocide
Indonesia
foreign policy
quotation
The "final solution" to the Communist problem in Indonesia was certainly one of the most barbaric acts of inhumanity in a century that has seen a great deal of it; it surely ranks as a war crime of the same type as those the Nazis perpetrated. No single American action in the period after 1945 was as bloodthirsty as its role in Indonesia, for it tried to initiate the massacre, and it did everything in its power to encourage Suharto, including equipping his killers, to see that the physical liquidation of the PKI was carried through to its culmination.
Not a single one of its officials in Washington or Djakarta questioned the policy on either ethical or political grounds; quite the contrary. "The reversal of the Communist tide in the great country of Indonesia" was publicly celebrated, in the words of Deputy Undersecretary of State U. Alexis Johnson in October 1966, as "an event that will probably rank along with the Vietnamese war as perhaps the most historic tuming point of Asia in this decade."
A State Department estimate [in 1965] placed the figure at roughly 300,000, a number former ambassador Jones employed when he published his memoirs five years later—though he, too, did not exclude 500,000. Other estimates range up to I million dead, and official Indonesian data released a decade later gave 450,000 to 500,000 as the number killed.
As stunning as these figures are, not a single official U.S. document dealing with them has ever expressed dismay or regret!
Australian journalist John Pilger

, Fall / Winter 1999

[General] Suharto was given a green light by the United States to do what we did [in East Timor]. We sent the Indonesian generals everything they needed to fight a major war against somebody who doesn't have any guns.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#194608 Dec 20, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
"I'm not Catholic."
<quoted text>
Other popular 16th century pick up lines include:
"You wanna come over and see my dad's slaves?"
"I took a bath this year."
"I crossed the ocean to escape religious persecution. I stayed for you."
Even more popular Atheist 16 century lines.

Me smart, you dumb.

Me edumocated, you not.

Me think, you no think.

Me always right, you wrong even when right.

Me allowed to say what on me’s mind.

You no say unless me’s says you can say.

Me stink with narcissism.

You no stink with narcissism.

Me great, you no great.

Me count you no count, you dog.

Me walk on sidewalk, you walk in street, get runover.

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