Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#187040 Nov 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think you'll enjoy the discussion I had with Happy Lesbo, where I speculated on these issues.
And I can't tell you how pleased I am that we can discuss these matters like this. We disagree on a lot. But we can agree that we are not enemies, but really just two people wandering through like that want more or less the same things, and do better as allies debating how that is best done than we do seeing each other as enemies. Oraganized ideologies that don't really care about either of us benefit from that, not you and me.
Well said.

In my clearer moments I regard atheism as a superior position to that of any organized religion, particularly Christianity.

When there are no atheists around, I fight with Christians.

I need to fight. And I don't know why.

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#187041 Nov 25, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Buck is a character.
One of his traits is to wordsmith posters' names.
Don't pay it any mind.
It's all in humor.
Right, Cletcher.

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#187042 Nov 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Hallucination, even Dr.s are not above traumatic experience that causes the brain to manufacture experiences that conflict with reality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23543...
Sorry, you're article is bull shit.

"Esquire article on Eben Alexander distorts the facts"

http://iands.org/news/news/front-page-news/97...

"Esquire's cynical article distorts the facts of my 25-year career as a neurosurgeon and is a textbook example of how unsupported assertions and cherry-picked information can be assembled at the expense of the truth".-Dr. Eben Alexander

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#187043 Nov 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Hallucination,...
Sorry, not even close.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187044 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Ever heard of Vatican II?
I like it when you make it easy to prove you don't know shit.
So a 3 year council that actually changed nothing in religious doctrine but has arguably changed how some people administer religion

That is not changing religion

Me thinks you are projecting on the ‘s’ word

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#187045 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Proving yourself a liar, again. Blob.
Romney has given away more to charity than you will earn in you sorry life.
So?

He still stole his millions unethically.

Giving a tiny, little bitty fraction of it away, does not absolve his greater crimes of theft.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#187046 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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4-year comparison, Bush and Obama
Bush Deficits:
FY 2008:$458 billion
FY 2007:$161 billion
FY 2006:$248 billion
FY 2005:$318 billion
Total:$1.185 trillion
Obama Deficits:
FY 2012:$1,087 billion
FY 2011:$1,300 billion
FY 2010:$1,294 billion Bush Deficits
FY 2009:$1,413 billion
Total:$5.09 trillion
Obama debt added = 4.3X Bush, or 430% higher over 4 years.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbudgetpr...
A very careful editing of the "facts" does not make for a convincing "argument", stupid.

But lying is your forte.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#187047 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Bush Deficits:
FY 2008:$458 billion
FY 2007:$161 billion
FY 2006:$248 billion
FY 2005:$318 billion
Total:$1.185 trillion
Obama Deficits:
FY 2012:$1,087 billion
FY 2011:$1,300 billion
FY 2010:$1,294 billion
FY 2009:$1,413 billion
Total:$5.09 trillion
A very careful editing of the "facts" does not make for a convincing "argument", stupid.

But lying is your forte.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#187049 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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True, if you are an agnostic.
False, if you are taking the atheist position.
"Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not".-(Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism incurs the exact same burden of proof as theism.
You keep repeating this lie, as if by repeating it, you think the lie will magically become not-a-lie.

The very epitome of stupid-- that describes you.

That, and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

No **wonder** you keep getting tossed in jail...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#187050 Nov 25, 2013
Now, I'll sit back and watch as the OCD theist puts lots and lots of lovely little jugdgeits onto all my posts.

It's like putting candy out for ants.

;)

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187051 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You 'know'?
That's strange. I know God is real.
Lol, I've asked you this before. Why don't you take your definitive evidence that E=MC2 disproves an omnipotent God to the media and change the world?
Oh, wait you can't.
It's not peer reviewed.
Cuz they'd laugh you out of the scientific community
Nope, you believe there is a difference

Not mine I have no intellectual right over the equation and besides it’s already out there ensuring that you can post on topix, turn the light on at night and actually exist in this universe. Just because you choose to ignore the known facts is your problem

And you claim you know a god exists but you have never – ever proven that a god exists. Don’t worry thought, no one has succeeded in several thousand years so you are not alone in your failure.

See also http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/G...
“In short, empirical data and the theories that successfully describe those data indicate that the universe did not come about by a purposeful creation. Based on our best current scientific knowledge, we conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that a God who is the highly intelligent and powerful supernatural creator of the physical universe does not exist.”

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#187052 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You left of the subtitle.
I'm a little short this week.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#187053 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
4-year comparison, Bush and Obama
Bush Deficits:
FY 2008:$458 billion
FY 2007:$161 billion
FY 2006:$248 billion
FY 2005:$318 billion
Total:$1.185 trillion
Obama Deficits:
FY 2012:$1,087 billion
FY 2011:$1,300 billion
FY 2010:$1,294 billion Bush Deficits
FY 2009:$1,413 billion
Total:$5.09 trillion
Obama debt added = 4.3X Bush, or 430% higher over 4 years.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbudgetpr...
No wonder I'm a bit short.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187054 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Genius, huh?
<quoted text>
I'm just gonna leave it at that.
You show your ignorance every chance you get.
Let's hang out. We can get drunk and go shooting.
Nope more like hypocritical

Like all the religious do… well done

I have a better idea, lets not, I don’t trust you with a gun and definitely would not trust you pIssed.

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#187055 Nov 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So a 3 year council that actually changed nothing in religious doctrine but has arguably changed how some people administer religion
That is not changing religion
Me thinks you are projecting on the ‘s’ word
Nice try. You are caught.

The Second Vatican Council:

Changed Indulgences
Changed Blessings
Changed Calendar
New Canon Law
New Catechism
New Educational System
Religious Order Changes
Roman Curia Reorganized
Overthrow of Rules in Religious Life
Abolition of the Index of Forbidden Books (Index Librorum Prohibitorum)
Discarding of Symbols (papal chair, tiara, etc.)
Less Focus on the Blessed Virgin Mary
Less Focus on Saints
Changed Artwork
Removal & Destruction of Existing Priceless Works of Art
Changed Music
Changed Breviary
Changed Rosary - Note: Click here for more on this topic
Changed Prayers
Changed Orientation of Priests (e.g. "from spiritual to psychiatric", "from theological to psychological")
Changed Catechesis - It is well known that some popular catechesis actually is contrary to the perennial Catholic faith. Parents have even had to remove their children from 'Catholic' schools to protect them from false / dangerous teachings (including inappropriate sex education).
Adoption of Collegiality - This practice tends to weaken papal authority as well as the authority of individual bishops. As stated by Amerio "The weakening of a unifying papal authority began institutionally with the transfer in 1966 to local bishops of certain faculties previously reserved to the Holy See... The bishops' law-making power was subsequently further enlarged, with a corresponding contraction of Roman jurisdiction, and received a definitive status in the new Code of Canon Law". Also, with collegiality, bishops are said to "actually suffer a loss of control" since they may tend to relinquish their authority to local or national councils.
Increased Reliance on Lay 'Experts'
Increased Conformity to the World
Use of 'Medicine of Mercy' Rather Than Authority / Correction
Apparent Shift in Emphasis from Truth to Liberty - Contrary to the long-standing custom of fighting heresy, it now seems as though heresy is "no big deal"
Apparent Forgetfulness of the Church's True Mission of Saving Sinners From Hell
Apparent Shift from Truth to Subjectivism
Apparent Exchange of "Certainty of Truth" for "Seeking of Truth"
"Focusing on Unity at the Expense of Truth"
Dropped Liturgical Seasons (e.g. Septuagesima)
Elimination of Ember Days
Elimination of Rogation Days ("which date from at least the 400's -500's - and which the saints participated in")
Reduction / Elimination of Octaves and Vigils
Changing of Friday Abstinence Regulations
Elimination of Preparatory Period Before Lent
Relaxation of Penance in Lent - "The observance of Lent is the very badge of Christian warfare. By it we prove ourselves not to be enemies of the cross of Christ. By it we avert the scourges of divine justice. By it we gain strength against the princes of darkness, for it shields us with heavenly help. Should mankind grow remiss in their observance of Lent, it would be a detriment

etc....

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#187056 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>You are making my point, while missing it.

If pre-big bang consisted of "something", with energy and mass, then it was not "nothing", and the axiom is true, something does not come from nothing.

But then the something-from-nothing problem is moved one step: From what did the energy and mass come from?
Is your creator/designer-whatever you want to call it-something?

Or nothing.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187057 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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E=MC^2 disproves god.
That is devastating.
Tell me, you poor ignorant bat.
How come the best theoretical physicists say that you are dead wrong?
They study things like energy and mass.
You can barely copy the equation.
Yet you "know".
Lesson to your readers:
Believe nothing you say, since you are dogshit stupid.
Yes devastating, if only you’d grow the balls to admit the fact

No they don’t, you are lying but it’s only you so no more than we expect. Unless of course you can provide a citation to any “best theoretical” physicist who makes such a claim. Still waiting for your response from the first time you came out with that BS a couple of years ago… still waiting. Please also be aware that I have on occasion been known to socialise and dine with “best theoretical physicists” who have made no such claim.

You proved in you previous post to me who is the sh|t stupid one, and you have just repeated your success. 2 for 2. Not bad buck, not bad at all

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#187058 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Yeah.

It kinda is.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#187059 Nov 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
It is disproven by E=MC^2.
Bwahahahahahahahahhhaaaaa.aa.a .a.a.aaa....
E=MC^2 has nothing to do with your sexual perversions

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#187060 Nov 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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A very careful editing of the "facts" does not make for a convincing "argument", stupid.
But lying is your forte.
I edited over 3 trillion facts, huh?

I must be good.

Obama added 4X debt of Bush, on a 4 year comparison.

But Bush is the deficit guy. Right?

You don't believe in numbers, do you?

You prefer bull shit. You are a moron, Blob.

A lying moron.

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