Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#186942 Nov 24, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I disagree.
The Republican elected officials don't care about government, just themselves. But the power behind them wants to undo the US Constitution and create a plutocracy/aristocracy are very much, and the process is well under way. But don't wait for them to send out an announcement that democracy is the target. You'll have to figure it out yourself. When the time comes that the people have no real say about the important issues, such as if wars will end, whether banks should be regulated, whether torture will continue, whether constitutional rights will be respected and protected, etc. When the day comes that these things are no longer decided by people like you and me (I still have voting rights), then democracy will be dead.
But like I said, don't wait for anybody to gloat about it when it happens. Expect the illusion of democracy to persist. Expect the illusion that there is a two-party system representing opposite poles of a spectrum. You'll be able to identify that that is not longer the case when the day comes that both liberals and conservatives express disgust, and when the only issues that you decide are local issues, such as who will be dog catcher or if the roads will be resurfaced.
If that day ever comes, expect that the elections, the news and the schools will all be dysfunctional as well.
And if that day ever comes, I would suggest that you consider extricating yourself from the Democrat versus Republican mindset and recognize that that is an illusion and a distraction that benefits the behind-the-scenes concerns as they transform the country and its government to serve them while citizens quibble over D and R.
Do you think this is too cynical?
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
-Lincoln

If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
-Mark 3

It's sad to see the endless donkey v elephant bickering.

It may very well be the downfall of this great country.

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#186943 Nov 24, 2013
How much faith is required not to believe in something? D'oh!

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#186944 Nov 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>My dear Theists friends
There are hundreds of Gods, to the believers of each, all are real.
None of them actually exist, as proven by the complete lack of evidence.
Trying to seek that which does not exist, is not only pointless, but considered by many to be an act od total insanity
Have a great day.
Your post was an act of stupidity. Until you present proof beyond a shadow of doubt that God does not exist, your post is irrelevant.

Have a wonderful day...:)

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#186945 Nov 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A house divided against itself cannot stand.
-Lincoln
If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
-Mark 3
It's sad to see the endless donkey v elephant bickering.
It may very well be the downfall of this great country.
Agreed!

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#186946 Nov 24, 2013
Happy Thanksgiving to all. =)
Thinking

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#186947 Nov 24, 2013
It was a fact, 111.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"Is that supposed to be a profound intellectual observation?"
yawn
blacklagoon

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#186948 Nov 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You described actions, not emotions.
You fail again.
The actions you see are a result of emotions. All emotions manifest themselves in reality and are observable. You are desperately trying to separate the emotions we feel from the actions they cause. Keep slamin yer head against the wall, maybe you'll knock some sense into it.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#186949 Nov 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing is a pronoun denoting the absence of anything.
Now we can continue.
You can now describe how something can come from the absence of anything.
Go.
And you KNOW that there was an "absents" of anything before the big bang how? Cosmologists see energy and mass residing in empty space, so the absence of anything may not be true. Dark energy is a form of something occupying empty space.
blacklagoon

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#186950 Nov 24, 2013
Chaumette wrote:
How much faith is required not to believe in something? D'oh!
It take NO faith whatsoever, all it takes is the absence of evidence.

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#186951 Nov 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> The actions you see are a result of emotions. All emotions manifest themselves in reality and are observable. You are desperately trying to separate the emotions we feel from the actions they cause. Keep slamin yer head against the wall, maybe you'll knock some sense into it.
You're still only describing actions.

Cause & effect, right?

Prove the cause.

Prove that emotions are real.

You can't.

No one can.

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#186952 Nov 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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The last balanced budget occurred when Republicans held Clinton and Democrats, against their protests, to spending limits in the 90's.
The "record for deficit spending" is held by President Barack Obama - 5 times.
You are so full of shyt, your eyes are brown, and shyt leaks out of your ears.

Seriously.

Bushy 2 still holds the record for deficit spending.

It's a record that will haunt him until he drinks himself to death (and soon, it appears).

Obama has one of the lowest spending records yet.

Go look at the actual... facts...

... and quit listening to the Faux Lies channel.

It'll help your ... ahem... "credibility".

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#186953 Nov 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>And you KNOW that there was an "absents" of anything before the big bang how? Cosmologists see energy and mass residing in empty space, so the absence of anything may not be true. Dark energy is a form of something occupying empty space.
We don't know of any absence before the Big Bang.

We don't even know that the Big Bang happened, it's a mathematical assumption.

We also don't know if dark matter exists, it can't be seen or tested in any way, but it "explains" so much. Huh...

We DO know that something cannot come from nothing.

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#186954 Nov 24, 2013
Chaumette wrote:
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Your post was an act of stupidity. Until you present proof beyond a shadow of doubt that God does not exist, your post is irrelevant.
Have a wonderful day...:)
It is not my job to disprove your claim, it is YOU how are required to provide proof for your POSITIVE claim. If I assert that I have a dragon in my garage, would I be so stupid as to ask you to prove I do not? Or would you be the one saying, "You have a dragon in your garage? Prove it. In asking me to prove your positive claim you have committed the fallacy of appealing to ignorance. See how that works?

"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. "If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed".[

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#186955 Nov 24, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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My friend Bob, Peace unto you.
You are the very epitome of "not peace".

Have you ever tried **not** being full of hate?

No?

Well.... there you go, then.

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#186956 Nov 24, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
My Dear Atheist Friends,
Theirs is one God, King of Kings and God of all.
He does exist and is real. Seek and ye shall find.
Have a great day!
[tipping hat]
When?

When...**exactly** will this "finding" occur?

I sought for more than 40 years-- and never even one time, did your "god of all" bother to show up.

So....**WHEN**?

Seriously... your claims are utterly without merit.

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#186957 Nov 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Mitt Romney paid $3.2 million in 2011 in federal taxes
Obama paid $162,074 that same year.
How much did you pay?
Quit yer bitchin.
<quoted text>
Yes, I have a source.
Google.com
I told you to quit yer bitching.
Interesting.. Google seems to disagree with your lies.

I find that... fascinating, myself.

You just cannot help but to lie, can you?

LOL!

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#186958 Nov 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're still only describing actions.
Cause & effect, right?
Prove the cause.
Prove that emotions are real.
You can't.
No one can.
Emotions are a part of the naturalistic realm. Emotions exist in our brains, it is NOT possible to have emotions without a physical brain. The brain can be monitored, examined, emotional responses can be detected, and these emotion are in fact observable, either by our actions or by physical manifestations, as detected by lie detectors. Increases in blood pressure, sudden temperature changes on the surface of the skin. Emotions are real and easy to prove.

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#186959 Nov 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You are so full of shyt, your eyes are brown, and shyt leaks out of your ears.
Seriously.
Bushy 2 still holds the record for deficit spending.
It's a record that will haunt him until he drinks himself to death (and soon, it appears).
Obama has one of the lowest spending records yet.
Go look at the actual... facts...
... and quit listening to the Faux Lies channel.
It'll help your ... ahem... "credibility".
Obama has spent more money than all US Presidents *combined*.

I know you don't understand, trolls usually don't.

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#186960 Nov 24, 2013
Chaumette wrote:
How much faith is required not to believe in something? D'oh!
None.... none at all.

D'oh.

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#186961 Nov 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Obama has spent more money than all US Presidents *combined*.
I know you don't understand, trolls usually don't.
Nope. A big pile of "nope"--not even.

The **facts** are?

Bushy holds the world-record for **deficit** spending.

Likely a record he will drink to until he finally dies of alcohol poisoning.

But Bushy was **your** man, wasn't he?

LMAO!

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