Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#185889 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm what you call a "real person".
You don't have those in your neck of the woods.
All you have is rich pricks that look down on others, thinking that money is the key to happiness by showing off their overpriced cars and jewelry and who spits on the waitress because she took too long because they think their time is more valuable than anybody else and they can't wait an extra two damn minutes for their pretty glass of rotten grape juice.
How little you know.

And really, you should work on that inferiority complex.

You're spilling it out a bit much.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185890 Nov 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
How little you know.
And really, you should work on that inferiority complex.
You're spilling it out a bit much.
No. That would be a superiority complex.

Because I know I'm superior to you.

And I don't mind showing it.

I'm perfectly happy with a bag of rice and a box of rocks.

I don't need anything fancy to make me feel good about myself.

You do.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185891 Nov 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Read where the kidnappings for ransom are on the rise again there. Just a matter of time before you will be in the middle of their issues. You are easy money.
Nah. I'm not a target for reasons already given. Do your homework. But thanks for the kind words.

It's much more likely that you will be severed in two at the waist by a disgruntled terrorist's bomb or shot in the face by a troubled teen. You live in Colorado, right?

Have a blessed day, will you, Dave?
Dave Nelson wrote:
IANS, you do realize that with your earning potential limited to your investments and not to your work that you are worth more dead than alive?
I reckon that your value wouldn't change much either way.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#185892 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No. That would be a superiority complex.
Because I know I'm superior to you.
And I don't mind showing it.
I'm perfectly happy with a bag of rice and a box of rocks.
I don't need anything fancy to make me feel good about myself.
You do.
For me, it's not about fancy, but about a broader experience, learning, visiting, exploring, having an open mind about other cultures, different people. To me, this adds to the human experience.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185893 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The Bible is inspired by God but ultimately written by men.
A few more questions, then:

[1] How do you know that he didn't control every word? Because of all of the mistakes?
[2] What makes you think any of it was written by your god?
[3] How do you decide which parts to trust and which to disregard?
[4] Why would a god not write his crucial message to man himself? How hard could that be? Wasn't the message important enough to ensure that his message would be received accurately? Couldn't he foresee that that would cause people to doubt that he wrote any of it?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Why do you keep calling God "Jehovah"?
Why do you keep calling him "God" like it's a name?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185894 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You haven't put forth a compelling argument.
Remember, my prediction was that you could not be convinced by a compelling argument.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I know that you think you have, but you haven't. All you've done is tell everyone what your opinion is.
Not so. You were given several arguments, including the famous theodicy problem. You walked away from them and called them opinion.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Let's put this in a more human perspective; Have you ever let your child stumble and fall on his ass while learning to walk? Have you ever sat back and watched your wife maybe fumble with the remote control? Have you ever seen a stranded motorist and done nothing to help? I'm sure you have. That's human nature, we all have. But that in no way means you're a bad person or you "let" bad things happen, even though you have the power to prevent, or help, these things.
Untrue. I never let bad things happen that I can prevent. If I let somebody struggle as part of a lesson, that is a good thing for them. And it doesn't include letting them be beaten, raped, burning to death, or any of the other things that a good god should prevent. It's really rather disheartening to see you make an argument like this to defend tsunamis, nuclear reactor meltdowns, terrorist attacks, famines, and more, or to compare them with struggling with a remote control.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God has the power to help us all in what we'd call a perfect life. But what good would that teach us? What lessons would we learn?
What lesson is your god teaching by allowing a child to die of leukemia? This 9 minute YouTube summarizes the objection that rational ethicists have to what Christians so easily accept.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#185895 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah. I'm not a target for reasons already given. Do your homework. But thanks for the kind words.
It's much more likely that you will be severed in two at the waist by a disgruntled terrorist's bomb or shot in the face by a troubled teen. You live in Colorado, right?
Have a blessed day, will you, Dave?
<quoted text>
I reckon that your value wouldn't change much either way.
No, your getting kidnapped is greater risk than those things here. I'm a long ways from the cities in CO. Nothing happens out here. I'll die choking to death. Nothing spectacular.

I have nothing to look back at, IANS. You do. You are the one with hopes, dreams, and aspirations. You won't be as ready for death as you would like to think.

All meaningless in the end, eh?

Good luck with your plans for after your demise.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185896 Nov 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:

For me, it's not about fancy, but about a broader experience, learning, visiting, exploring, having an open mind about other cultures, different people. To me, this adds to the human experience.
Good for you.

Then visit a trailer park, have some beer & hot dogs. Expand your "experience" a little.

Or go bowling in the Midwest somewhere, have some nachos and talk to a girl.

Or you could try going down to Memphis, meet the coloreds there and get some real good down home cookin!

The way I see it, based on all I've seen you wrote, all your experiences are in 'high class', posh areas where you're drinking different wines and trying different cheeses.

What's broad about that?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185897 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Why do you keep calling him "God" like it's a name?
Because I speak English.

I say things like foot, car, dog, airplane and God.

"Jehovah" is a Hebrew word.

I don't speak Hebrew.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#185898 Nov 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
For me, it's not about fancy, but about a broader experience, learning, visiting, exploring, having an open mind about other cultures, different people. To me, this adds to the human experience.
The people are the same.

All that experience you will gain. All dressed up and no place to go when you croak. Not a single memory of them.

You gained nothing.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185899 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

A few more questions, then:
[1] How do you know that he didn't control every word? Because of all of the mistakes?
[2] What makes you think any of it was written by your god?
[3] How do you decide which parts to trust and which to disregard?
[4] Why would a god not write his crucial message to man himself? How hard could that be? Wasn't the message important enough to ensure that his message would be received accurately? Couldn't he foresee that that would cause people to doubt that he wrote any of it?
1. There are no mistakes, so the premise of your question is flawed.

2. I believe it, and it's the only book to have endured as long as it has and adopted so many followers.

3. I don't disregard any parts of it, so again the premise of your question is flawed.

4. Because He trusts man. He knows that humans can understand human concepts. Perhaps Hid concepts are for too difficult for us to understand so it needed to be 'dumbed down' for human literacy.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185900 Nov 19, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
My response to the question of "wisdom" was a prior post. The post to which you are responding here was about your idea of Jesus being "unimpressive".
That would be pointless. You are wasting time arguing about what you or I find unimpressive or heroic. I asked you why you considered Jesus wise.
Buck Crick wrote:
Yet I still maintain Jesus' record is "impressive"
I saw what you consider impressive:

"He escaped stoning by educated Jews for blasphemy by pulling out quotations from their own Old Testament writings and turning them against their ideas. He referred to the Religious Right as a dog sleeping in the barn who will not eat, and will not let the cattle eat either. When accosted for picking grain to eat on the sabbath, he explained that man was not made for such rules, but the rules made for man. He said you would not impress him if you perform miracles or cast out demons. But you would impress him if you offer a cup of water to a thirsty stranger."
Buck Crick wrote:
Yet I still maintain Jesus' record is "impressive" ...
Sorry, but it's simply not good enough to declare Jesus special because a religion formed around him. What was meaningful was came after his death. I don't see where Jesus did anything distinguished in his lifetime, or left anything of value behind.

It was others that grew the religion, and any of tens or hundreds of thousands of other people in his day could have served in that role just as well. What's so special about an itinerant preacher that told parables and then was executed? Nothing at all.
Buck Crick wrote:
... and yours is not comparably impressive.
Disagree. Neither Jesus' service record nor his insights are hard to top.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185901 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Remember, my prediction was that you could not be convinced by a compelling argument.

Not so. You were given several arguments, including the famous theodicy problem. You walked away from them and called them opinion.
Yes, yes, yes....

"The perfect cannot create imperfection" atheist argument. It's pointless and it's meaningless chatter.

God can create whatever He wants, including imperfect beings like us.

Also the "deities cannot be both perfect and imperfect" atheist argument. Until you've proven that God fits that conundrum, all you have is your opinion.

And it's barely worth debating.
Untrue. I never let bad things happen that I can prevent. If I let somebody struggle as part of a lesson, that is a good thing for them. And it doesn't include letting them be beaten, raped, burning to death, or any of the other things that a good god should prevent. It's really rather disheartening to see you make an argument like this to defend tsunamis, nuclear reactor meltdowns, terrorist attacks, famines, and more, or to compare them with struggling with a remote control.
Never. Never? Every time you've seen a person, animal or anything in need you come to aid? You've never driven by a stranded motorist? Never seen an animal carcass on the side of the road and just driven by? Never seen a family struggling for groceries and offered them some if your vast resources? You've helped every old lady cross the street as you've seen them? Every time you see a sick tree, you call an arborist and foot the bill to fix that tree?

C'mon, IANS. You're full of shit when you say "I never let bad things happen that I can prevent" and you damn well know it.

I can't argue with you why you've prevented tsunami. You can't do that. I'm arguing with you on a human level about 'bad things' that you, as a human, can prevent or at least help in the aftermath.
What lesson is your god teaching by allowing a child to die of leukemia? This 9 minute YouTube summarizes the objection that rational ethicists have to what Christians so easily accept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Z1BzP1wr234XX
Nah. Keep your humanist dogma in your own pants.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185902 Nov 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
You are a walking dollar sign.
You aren't.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185903 Nov 19, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> How sure are you that virtuanna is Nano?
Positive.

There were two tells in her post < http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... >.

One was her use of the word "kitteh" to mean lady parts.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...

The other is her ISP location, Sherman, TX, which was also evident when she posted as (grey boxer) Sheila a few years ago.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T3A...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185904 Nov 19, 2013
Sheila/nano/virtuanna used "kitty" in the link I just provided. Here she is using her signature "kitteh"
http://www.topix.com/forum/science/genetics/T...

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#185905 Nov 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
You lack the educational and intellectual capacity to trip me up.
You just do-- you provide no links to your insanity--none.
Just your ridiculous opinion and your hateful attitude.
Your hate for me is quite evident, you know.
That's okay-- I don't hate **you** in return.
You aren't worth the effort.
No reason for me to post a link, I all ready know your response. I even think denying and efforts of being condescending is how you get your jollies. The truth is your reading comprehension is too bad for you to realize the truth. And that is no one could claim their solution or their beliefs or what they believe is "the truth". Therefore with that confession, how could I post to someone with you manners, and lack of comprehension, the ultimate proof of the origin of mankind, the universe, souls or even earth. If you could prove any of this you'd be rich and famous. Better known than Einstein.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#185906 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Positive.
There were two tells in her post < http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... >.
One was her use of the word "kitteh" to mean lady parts.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TCT...
The other is her ISP location, Sherman, TX, which was also evident when she posted as (grey boxer) Sheila a few years ago.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T3A...
Oh...

My...

Godliness....

It is so sad that you actually have those links.

I just want you to know that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#185907 Nov 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't.
:-)

IANS, I experienced the pains of death, on the conscious, subconscious, and emotional level, twenty years ago. Your material benchmarks really don't mean much to me.

You've read about it and observed it from the outside.

Your education, your money and what you think you are leaving behind will not mean a thing to you when your time comes. You will be very much caught up in the reality of what is happening.

Do excuse me for thinking my education in life has trumped yours.

You have no problem with telling others they are uneducated and stupid for having their belief in an afterlife. You are somewhat obnoxious about it. You are very juvenile in such thought processes.

IANS, you don't have to believe in an Abrahamic God to have an afterlife. But you should realize you can be stepping into something much larger than this little box you have been calling home.

It wouldn't hurt to have a dream you could escape into from here. It may come true.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#185908 Nov 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I never said God isn't all powerful.
Yes you did. You said that your god was not omnipotent. Do you not recall making a list of things that your god was unable to do? Perhaps you don't know what omnipotent means.

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