Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Eagle 12 wrote:
Our President who is in a quagmire with his healthcare. Has tried to do too much without the support of the majority in Congress including Republicans. I do thank him for some of his bill like Insurance companies not turning down people for pre-existing conditions. He should have done it in baby steps instead of this fiasco landslide. What a freaking mess he has got us into.
That's the least of your national problems. Your government doesn't serve you any more, your news media don't inform you, your schools don't educate your children, your banking problems have not been resolved, your rights are vanishing, the national debt is unmanageable, personal debt is a problem for too many, the dollar is unsound, the nation is divided, the economy has stagnated for most of a decade, unemployment is too high, the middle class is disappearing, and more.

Health insurance mandates are relatively insignificant. Benghazi, too.
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Catcher1 wrote:
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Your gentle god stands by while tornadoes destroy people's lives.
Don't forget typhoons.
Hardly equivalent to sitting by while the wife fumbles with the remote.
Man is still in detention, as it were. Whats so hard to understand that the present sufferings cant compare to the future glory? Compared to eternity, is our aprox 72 years so long, that we must be impatient?
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Eagle 12 wrote:
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First of all Bill Gates is agnostic.
Secondly there may be small pockets of charitable donations from individual Atheist.
But I can assure you the impact of Atheist charitable organizations helping the recent disasters in the Philippines is practically nil.
And same goes for the response to central Illinois.
Most of your average Atheist don’t have a reputation of giving to charitable organizations. At least that’s the way I see it.
Atheist do have a reputation of spending resources fighting Christmas traditions.
I’m sorry Doctor, Atheist just don’t care about their fellow man . Not one Atheist came on topix and asked for donations to the Japan Tsunami or the Philippine storm tragedy. There’s a reason for that. They simply don’t care.
The Atheist Creed,“Me, Myself and I.”
Small pockets because Atheism IS a small pocket of the population. We don't have the resources that organized religion has. Nothing like the all powerful Catholic church, or the thousands of religious organization in the bible belt, so OBVIOUSLY our donations could NEVER match those from religious organizations. Isn't it the thought that counts, the gesture? One individual was moved enough by this disaster to personally raise $100.000 he was an Atheist.

You still own an apology to all those who cared enough about the tornados and the typhoon to go out of their way to help.

I can give a devastated area 100.000 million dollars, or I can give one person a crust of bread, tell me the difference as far as caring for one another is concerned.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
You have the intellectual prowess and social sense of an ant.
Do you think it's a good idea to take gratuitous pot shots at what you perceive are the personal failings of others? You do it a lot, and seem pretty vulnerable to retaliation.
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Most christians think god is omnipotent.
Do you think that god could be damaged?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, my bad.
You ramble so much and I'm usually pressed for time, I have to be quick on my responses.
To answer your questions:
1. Yes, God is perfect.
2. No. The Bible is inspired by God but ultimately written by men.
3. Yes, no, yes.
Why do you keep calling God "Jehovah"? I find it strange that you'd interject one Hebrew word in the middle of all the English words.
God - English.
Jehovah - Hebrew.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
Do you see how I do this, Buck? Rather that just posting unsupported opinions and crowing about my victory as you do, I support them with evidence, in this case, the opinions of two prominent design proponents that outright contradict you.
No, you just thought you did.

I agree with Johnson and company that there is not a theory sufficiently developed to displace Darwinian theory.

And I certainly have never made such a claim.

I doubt there ever will be such a theory, because much of Darwinian theory is agreed to by Intelligent Design scientists and theorists.

Michael Behe accepts ape/human common descent, for instance.

To answer your question - Yes, I see how you do this.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
One day, not too far off? I think machines will become intelligent in such a way, only an expert could tell they are machines, and not organic life.
Are you familiar with the Turing test?

"The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human. In the original illustrative example, a human judge engages in natural language conversations with a human and a machine designed to generate performance indistinguishable from that of a human being. All participants are separated from one another. If the judge cannot reliably tell the machine from the human, the machine is said to have passed the test."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test
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Buck Crick wrote:
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Polymath was last seen with a really thin knife trying to prove he could slice a pizza into infinite slices and put it back in the same box.
I warned him.
I told him if he had infinite slices of pizza of any size, it would fill the known universe, and he would have slices left over.
But he didn't believe me.
Your football avatar reminds me of Al Bundy. You think about the old days of football like him. Only difference is youre violent and probably get fed better. I don't think he is as damaged from traumatic early life events as you are. He had some good insults for Marcy. You have some good ones for topix atheists.

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<quoted text>Faith, the excuse religious people give to one another when absolutely no evidence is available. Faith is NOT a pathway to truth, faith is gullibility. Whats truly funny is you people think using that word is somehow justification for your belief when talking to non-belivers
Do you have faith that if you act all bad ass on an internet site that'll make you seem more manly?

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Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> RR, Ians is Jewish. Another proof of God. God said he would blind them and deafen them or something along those lines. His ardent claims and assertions are evidence of this.
.. are you familiar with George Bush Jr.'s recent fundraising appearance at the Messianic Jewish Bible Institute? Yep,$100 @ plate. Most of the posts regarding this event have been removed by Google. Fascinating ..

.. the goal of this group is to, ".. to convert Jews to Christianity because they believe this will hasten the anticipated Second Coming of Jesus Christ."

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/george-christia...

.. what's this all about ??..

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Dave Nelson wrote:
Say a family of four makes $30,000. At 10% that would be $3000. With Obamacare say it costs a family of 4 $26,000 a year to make ends meet.$1000 to spend lavishly. Take a single man that makes $300,0000 per year. That is $30,000 per year tax. That leaves $270,000 per year to make his ends meet. The family of four is the one that is creating his wealth. They are the ones that will be dying in wars to protect his wealth. Very fair system you have there. Who do you work for to be pushing such a thing?
You are bemoaning regressive taxation (flat taxes) and the exploitation of the worker. Are you closet progressive or Marxist?
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Yikes!
How sure are you that virtuanna is Nano?
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Buck is just a fantasist who likes sweaty men.
Buck is not sharp enough to understand infinity.
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Your football avatar reminds me of Al Bundy. You think about the old days of football like him. Only difference is youre violent and probably get fed better. I don't think he is as damaged from traumatic early life events as you are. He had some good insults for Marcy. You have some good ones for topix atheists.

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Thinking wrote:
Most christians think god is omnipotent.
Most atheists think God isn't real.

What's your point?

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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By this reckoning, Santa Claus exists. "[W]hat is said to be about [his] features ... is inaccurate, but the entity does exist." The features that need to change in this case is the part about him living at the North Pole with elves making toys and distributing them to the children of the world through their chimneys using a sleigh piloted by flying reindeer.
Likewise with Jehovah. He exists as long as we change his features from those given in the Christian bible. I will grant that. The necessary changes include that he is not supernatural, did not create the universe or the life in it, did not author any "word," did not flood the earth, does not answers prayer, and a few other things - just like my dog.
No, those are not the features to which you referred in your alleged "proof".

You changed your story.

Your contention is, or, more accurately, "was", since you have spun off of that claim, was that the failure of the claim of perfection proves the Christian god does not exist.

You even looked up reference from formal logic sources to support that specific claim.

Then I proved your claim is bull shit.

I did so using logic properly, not as you attempted to use it.

You are batting O so far.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Do you think it's a good idea to take gratuitous pot shots at what you perceive are the personal failings of others? You do it a lot, and seem pretty vulnerable to retaliation.
You are amusing, IANS.

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Hi Happy, how’s it going?
I have had this same discussion with E12 on two occasions previously and both times I have provided links to various secular charities including the Red Cross (both American and British), United Nations Childrens Fund. Oxfam, Médecins Sans Frontières etc.
I know for a fact that those charities are working in Philippines.
I have also shown him links to major philanthropists who for the most part are atheist Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg, Paul Allen and Segrey Brin come to mind here. Can’t say I know of any christian philanthropists but I’m sure there must be some
Atheist do not really bother advertising their charity because they have no need for extra god points therefore they have no need to shout there intentions on topix, like most people they just get on with what needs to be done. Having said that, as you say, people will be people and I would not mind betting that I have contributed more to the Philippines aid drive than he earns (or scrounges) in a month. In fact given that he protest so much I would not mind betting that he has not contributed a cent to any charity for Philippines aide purposes
However this will of course never stop his ignorant lying abuses, he will wait until the next disaster and start of on the same BS again… and again…. and ….
.. hi ya Chris ..

.. because non-believers do not financially support churches, in many instances a portion of their disposal income goes to worthy charities ..

.. here's something to consider: DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS ..

.. although the beliefs of these physicians are never made public, I know for a fact that a large percentage are atheist. They freely donate their time to help those in need. That's as good as donating money to charities ..

.. to think atheists do not help the less fortunate is a misnomer ..
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You've made a claim that your god is not all powerful. I assumed you've arrived at that to get past the old issue of why god lets bad things happen to babies, innocents, etc.

I'm asking you if you think your god is able to be destroyed. I can't phrase the question much more simply for you.
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Most atheists think God isn't real.
What's your point?

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I know what impresses you. It's not what impresses me.
Yes, you told us.

Mary Tyler Moore and you impress you.

A man bringing a compassionate, humble, self-fulfilling, benevolent philosophy in service to his fellow man, and by doing so, knowingly placing himself at risk of death does not impress you.

We got that.

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Thinking wrote:
You've made a claim that your god is not all powerful. I assumed you've arrived at that to get past the old issue of why god lets bad things happen to babies, innocents, etc.
I'm asking you if you think your god is able to be destroyed. I can't phrase the question much more simply for you.
I never said God isn't all powerful.

You really have a hard time reading, don't you?

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