Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Bongo

Seaford, NY

#185202 Nov 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You are hereby granted an exemption.
But no firearms, please.
Indulge me briefly. Have you changed your mind about Buck not being Joe King? Have you considered the evidence?
virtuanna

Sherman, TX

#185203 Nov 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Dawkins said he prefers to call himself an agnostic.
If you don't like that, take it up with him.
Obviously, by naming a preference, he thinks it makes a difference.
I don't really care what Dawkins calls himself, since he is a liar and an ass hole.
But when I reference him, and someone calls me a liar, I will complete the point.
Dawkins is a liar, he KNEW Mrs. Garrison was a man. He knew that wasn't kitteh he was poking.
>:}

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185204 Nov 17, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Dodpile is contradicting, what rules his he using?
He doesn't contradict himself unless he uses the same rules.

So he is safe, since he is using the same rules.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185205 Nov 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I've got another argument ruling out the perfect god of Christianity for Riverside Redneck to reject: such a creature couldn't create or change anything without going from perfection to a lesser state.
Consider a perfect circle. What could you change about it apart from moving it, rotating it or changing its diameter without losing perfect circularity?(This comment should also get Buck going)
This is why ideas like drowning all of life save a handful of each kind or making new covenants is impossible for a perfect god. Either a former state of perfection is lost, or the former state wasn't perfect.
This argument not only precludes any action on the part of a perfect god, it's couldn't even think, which would constitute a change in its mental state.
I notice that a few Christians have begun saying that their god is not perfect. Smart move. This is why. Look at how many of the arguments against the existence of this god are based on the claims of its perfect knowledge and perfect love. This is an area that is in sore need of your revisionism, just like the creation myth and the status of Old Testament ethics.
I have been advocating for **years** that the moderate and liberal (theologically-speaking) believers **must** edit their bibles to actually reflect what they claim to believe.

My latest idea? Color coding of the bible's text.

Leave in classic black, all the words they are certain should be taken as-is, with little or no interpretive thoughts. I.e. whichever they think is historical (or mostly so).

Then, they could put in, say, blue, any words that are purely allegorical, parables or morality-lessons. The reader would instantly know not to take it literally, but to look for the moral lesson therein.

They could even put in grey, any passages over which there is strong doubt as to the authenticity of, say much of Paul's stuff.

For the studious? Little reference numbers, every time a passage isn't in black-- pointing to a back reference, which explains **why** the think it's blue, grey or green(whatever that may turn out to be-- poetry, perhaps?).

Imagine this as a Ebook or an App on a smart device.

Then? They could easily update it weekly, to keep up with the latest theological decisions!

A truly interactive bible.

One suitable for the 22nd century, even..

(Oh! Words in **orange** should be studiously ignored-- as they no longer apply to the modern world, and are kept in purely for sentimental and historical value)

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185206 Nov 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Good job, you two.
thanks.

You were correct... she's interesting.

:)
Bongo

Seaford, NY

#185207 Nov 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I dissent.
Physical violence has kept me housed and fed.
And people who know of me give a wide swath.
Id still square off with you just for the experience. Btw my 2 eldest sons are state champions in their sport and are both playing on notable ivy league teams. They are 6'7 and growing. Not yet as tall as me or able to beat me in an arm wrestle, much to their chagrin.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185208 Nov 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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If the old crappy policy requires paying more, why are we asked to spend an additional 1.6 trillion dollars over 10 years on the new one?
We are not. That is a flat lie, perpetuated by Faux SNooze-- the Lying All The Time channel of the filthy rich.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#185209 Nov 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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He said he preferred to call himself an agnostic......
You ignore other occasions when Dawkins accepted some other label religionists might give him such as atheist. Or perhaps your own silly 'faith' requires you to believe that Professor Dawkins thinks it is simply a matter of choice and that both options are equally reasonable. As I have pointed out, if you take his comments overall and in context he doesn't feel that belief in any Abrahamic gods or any of these...
godchecker.com
are defencible. He has referred to them as delusional and there are pictures to illustrate that...
https://www.google.co.uk/search...
Additionally, there's ludicrous practices like flagellation and exhorcism.

Dawkins takes a rational view and doesn't credit religious faith with much more than delusional behavior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
"Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1" due to the strictness of religious doctrine against doubt, most atheists do not consider themselves "7" because atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind. In print, Dawkins self-identified as a '6', though when interviewed by Bill Maher[3] and later by Anthony Kenny,[4] he suggested '6.9' to be more accurate."

I think that gives a clearer picture of Professor Dawkins stand, but in any case it seems clear that religion and gods are man-made and often in man's image, not god-given.

Religion = superstition
Get over it

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185210 Nov 17, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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This post is just another exhibition of your very poor comprehension skills. Your knowledge on new age religions, is nil.
It's enough to dismiss them all with equal aplomb.

Until and if they produce the gods in question?

They are liars-- just like **you** are.
Robert Stevens wrote:
Instead of not responding or studying prior to posting on this, you proudly display your ignorance. You also fail miserably to keep up with science, yet claim to be knowledgeable.
Far more knowledgeable than **you**-- who demonstrates time and again, your near-total ignorance about science.

You have **never** tripped me up even **one** time, in science.

You cannot--because you are an idiot.
Robert Stevens wrote:
You interpretation of Quantum Physics is beyond backwards. Every scientist I have seen or read discussing Quantum Physics sooner or later states. There is a God and he is genius.
Name **one** such ... ahem... "scientist".

Can you do it? If you do? I will bet you he is a nutjob, and **not** a physicist at all!

You do seem to like the insane and terminally stupid.

Just as you are, I suppose.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185211 Nov 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Uh-huh
You suppose Jesus would like charging through the nose for 'health care'?
It's **your** Jesus.

But he **would** insist on a p*ss-test before feeding people, or before giving them shelter, right?

Just as you ReThuglicans **demand** of folk.

But the FACT IS?

For the majority of people? ACA is **cheaper** than what they had before.

Only a very scant few, is it otherwise-- lest than 1% of 1%, by last count.

But Obama is a nice guy: YOU CAN KEEP YOUR OLD, HIGHER-COST INSURANCE FOR ANOTHER YEAR, IF YOU LIKE.

You are an idiot.
Bongo

Seaford, NY

#185212 Nov 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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He escaped stoning by educated Jews for blasphemy by pulling out quotations from their own Old Testament writings and turning them against their ideas.
He referred to the Religious Right as a dog sleeping in the barn who will not eat, and will not let the cattle eat either.
When accosted for picking grain to eat on the sabbath, he explained that man was not made for such rules, but the rules made for man.
He said you would not impress him if you perform miracles or cast out demons. But you would impress him if you offer a cup of water to a thirsty stranger.
I could go on.
I remain uncertain what Mary Tyler Moore's insight was, exactly.
The Pharisees seemed to be atheists. They anti processed Jesus words even though they seen him express prodigy like ability from a young age teaching, being sinless and doing good works to name a few.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185213 Nov 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've never claimed to be an atheist.
Actually? You did-- but if you are now, changing your tune?

That's okay too.

I expect you Liars For Jewsus to do that, pretty much all the time.
Bongo

Seaford, NY

#185214 Nov 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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We are not. That is a flat lie, perpetuated by Faux SNooze-- the Lying All The Time channel of the filthy rich.
Blob, youre a forever blighted by religion proletariat, what would know about how the world works?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#185215 Nov 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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He said he preferred to call himself an agnostic.
I don't give a shit whether he converts, or ever converted, from anything to anything.
But the point is, Darwin's DogShit is wrong, and I am right.
Well he (Dawkins) must have realized what I have and the way the word "atheist" is perceived to the religious as a conviction that there absolutely is no god. But it cannot be proven and since it cannot be proven , there is a little doubt there.

So he probably like me will claim to be a non believer or agnostic.
But I personally don't have the need to define atheist in the strictest sense of meaning. So technically you are right, but it's such a trivial matter or wordplay. Most people that are non believers consider themselves weak atheist's or agnostic atheists.
But you will argue this is a contradiction, so pushy.
Alas I'm a freethinking non-believer who strives for enlightenment through scientific discovery of truths.

The Lightbearer is not evil
but shines light into the dark spots so the secrets can be revealed. Divinity could and would never do such a thing, it would destroy itself upon a closer inspection. So break out the maglight and the magnifying lenses.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#185216 Nov 17, 2013
THANK YOU DAVE!

For all the negative Judgits.

It is such a treat, to see how much I **got** to you like that.

LOL!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#185217 Nov 17, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You ignore other occasions when Dawkins accepted some other label religionists might give him such as atheist. Or perhaps your own silly 'faith' requires you to believe that Professor Dawkins thinks it is simply a matter of choice and that both options are equally reasonable. As I have pointed out, if you take his comments overall and in context he doesn't feel that belief in any Abrahamic gods or any of these...
godchecker.com
are defencible. He has referred to them as delusional and there are pictures to illustrate that...
https://www.google.co.uk/search...
Additionally, there's ludicrous practices like flagellation and exhorcism.
Dawkins takes a rational view and doesn't credit religious faith with much more than delusional behavior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_thei...
"Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1" due to the strictness of religious doctrine against doubt, most atheists do not consider themselves "7" because atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind. In print, Dawkins self-identified as a '6', though when interviewed by Bill Maher[3] and later by Anthony Kenny,[4] he suggested '6.9' to be more accurate."
I think that gives a clearer picture of Professor Dawkins stand, but in any case it seems clear that religion and gods are man-made and often in man's image, not god-given.
Religion = superstition
Get over it
People like Dawkins will let you call them anything if they get paid for it.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#185218 Nov 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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We are not. That is a flat lie, perpetuated by Faux SNooze-- the Lying All The Time channel of the filthy rich.

You are crazy, it is absolutely true. If you do not count the government subsidy it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyy higher.
The truth is there is only one policy under obamacare, it just has different a deductible depending on grade you purchase.
Fact is for most who do not qualify for subsidy, it's going to be much higher. Some ads much as 300 % and more.
But the real clincher is when the government yanks the subsidy, the poor are going to be raped. then there is the fact that some people do not rely on government for anything...but to buy the Obama plan they will be forced to , this includes a bunch of paperwork to get it and being subjected to the IRS and other peoples eyes. Screw all you idiots that devised this plan, I will never submit to it. In fact he can shove it up his bum.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#185219 Nov 17, 2013
Well said Bob
and thanks to Aura Mytha for this....
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Well he (Dawkins) must have realized what I have and the way the word "atheist" is perceived [by some of] the religious as a conviction that there absolutely is no god.....
Exactly!(Pardon my alteration, but most religionists can use dictionaries and some can't. JMHO :-)

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#185220 Nov 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It's **your** Jesus.
But he **would** insist on a p*ss-test before feeding people, or before giving them shelter, right?
Just as you ReThuglicans **demand** of folk.
But the FACT IS?
For the majority of people? ACA is **cheaper** than what they had before.
Only a very scant few, is it otherwise-- lest than 1% of 1%, by last count.
But Obama is a nice guy: YOU CAN KEEP YOUR OLD, HIGHER-COST INSURANCE FOR ANOTHER YEAR, IF YOU LIKE.
You are an idiot.
You are a Obama parrot me thinks, does he feed you cashews?
Bongo

Seaford, NY

#185221 Nov 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Tough litigators.
Is that one of the worlds 3 thinnest books, along with Italian war heros ,And Africans I have met while yachting?

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