Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184942 Nov 16, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. a cat lover! Most excellent ..
.. do you believe your cat loves you or do you have faith that your cat loves you because (s)he's a mammal ??..
No, and no. But I like to think-- within the limits of his brain-- he shows great affection.

In a human, his actions would be associated with love. But he's a cat, and will always be framed by his cat instincts, which are stronger than his intellect.

That's one of the principle differences between humans and other mammals-- yes, humans have instincts, but they are very, very low-key, most are subconscious urges.

And any human has the capacity to go against his or her instinctive drives, if given sufficient motivation.

What is interesting with humans, though-- is that they also possess many subconscious urges that are *not* instinctive, but are instilled by the very culture they were raised in as a child.

It is very difficult to separate the actual, DNA-created instincts, and the culturally generated ones (if the latter can even be called such).

But, no matter how much my cat may wish to, he cannot overcome his instinctive behaviors. Many similar animal studies have confirmed this, in cats and other animals.

Humans appear to be singular in this ability-- to overcome our own innate natures.
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. we really don't know if our pets love us, we just enjoy thinking they do ..
Well, yes-- it's much easier to use the same adjective to describe the similar behaviors in humans and their close animal companions.
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. you may say the same concept applies to someone who believes in God ..
.. so, is it faith or belief ??..
Faith/belief, what's the difference? I see none. Both are irrational, if based on nothing (i.e all religious faith/belief).

But I do not excuse people who choose the lazy way out, "goddidit" to "explain" the inexplicable.

That's just a lazy dodge-- and explains exactly nothing.

I would much rather go and **see** rather than mind-numbingly accept "goddidit".

People who discovered how the universe worked? Were **never** content to blindly accept "goddidit".

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184943 Nov 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is cute how OCD you are about all my posts.

Thanks for all the negative Jugits.

It shows how **deeply** you care!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184944 Nov 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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HFY changed her mind and gave up on you.
Yep.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184945 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh, are we having an intellectual discussion?
No. Don't panic.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184946 Nov 16, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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My goodness Bob,
You have that hate fireplace white hot. Slow down on the fuel source buddy. YouÂ’re going to burn the place down!
I'm laughing whenever I post to you, bigot.

You are one ugly man-- seriously.

I bet you kick dogs and cats-- don't you?

I bet you are that man-- that man on the street all the neighborhood kids are **terrified** of-- because you are always yelling "GIT OFFA MAH LAWNS, YOU IDJITS!"

Admit it--you are **that** man.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184947 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Do you have an opinion as to why some of these people want to tell us that we are not atheists? I can't imagine how that serves them. Perhaps they think it's offensive or annoying and are trying to nettle unbelievers. Surely there would be better ways to do that, so perhaps it is something else.
Anybody? Any speculations about what sustains this very prevalent meme?
I have a couple of ideas.

One is that they are narcissistic personalities, coupled with severe low self-image issues.

As such, they cannot **stand** to be wrong about **anything**.

There is that ludicrous definition [atheism] in Websters, who was a True Believer™ and was well known for changing the meaning of words in his dictionaries to fit his godbot worldview.

I think that lie has contributed to the whole mess over the years.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184948 Nov 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
You love to mock my EM, IANS, but the forces and interactions I describe are hard facts. It is just that I have a different perspective of how to view them that varies from how you were trained to view them, which means you can't understand the logic that is actually in them. I am the freethinker. You are the one that thinks they are one.
You are indeed a freethinker.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184949 Nov 16, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Tell me, do you believe any element of you survives beyond physical death? There is abundant evidence that it does.
No kidding. "We are billion year old carbon."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184950 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
There's more evidence that Jesus the man existed than Plato the man.
I don't agree.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#184951 Nov 16, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. for me, respect is a human entitlement and should be freely given otherwise disrespect reigns supreme ..
.. does each individual establish a standard for respect? Do we then expect people to measure up to our individual standard without telling them what it is? That sounds unfair ..
.. to avoid conflict, it is my contention that we must all respect each other ..
I disagree.

I believe respect must be earned.

Of course, respect is the default position, absent any reason to withhold it.

But I don't see respect as an entitlement; each person has the responsibility to demonstrate that s/he deserves others' respect.

Avoidance of conflict is not the highest value.

Integrity, compassion, empathy, respect for human dignity, are requirements. Absent these values, a person does not deserve respect. They trump a desire to avoid conflict.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184952 Nov 16, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Dave Nelson wrote:
I would follow neither group. If I am in that bad a shape and they are, too, then I will not be a further burden on them.
This is why I don't take discussion with you seriously. It's a waste of time.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184953 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Being open-minded implies a willingness to consider all sides of an argument
That is correct.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'll admit that being open-minded means that I HAVE to admit that the Bible may be wrong, which I have.
Openmindedness only means the willingness to consider the evidence impartially, and to be willing to be convinced by a compelling argument. You are not required to come to any particular conclusion unless the evidence supports it.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You agnostic/atheists wait for evidence to become available that makes God a fact
Not so. I'd be interested in evidence that makes your god 20% likely.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
most of you say you'd accept His existence, but still consider Him evil.
That's an separate issue involving separate evidence. I can judge you god whether it is a fictional character or not, and the evidence I use is the description of it. Your bible describes an evil character.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You're minds seem to be closed, not to anything, just to God. I've seen a lot of atheists that have spiritual experiences, believe in luck, ego or karma, believe in ghosts or aliens, etc. your minds are closed to God.
You can't judge that by my conclusions, but by the way I arrive at them. If you offer me evidence that I won't consider fairly, then you can call me that.

Please note that I am not required to read every book that you recommend, or do other time consuming or expensive things you insist upon in order to be open minded. Part of evaluating the evidence is judging its source - your knowledge, your habits of thought, your expected motives. If I lose confidence in you, I am free to ignore you without being considered close minded. I may require you to give me a capsule summary of your source to evaluate first, or review en excerpt and decide whether I'm looking at something worth more of my time or not.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#184954 Nov 16, 2013
Anon wrote:
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So a visit from god is not that big a deal. I would have thought it would have been life transforming, but what do I know? Are all Christians this hard to impress?
I have lived my whole life with Christians, both in my own family, my church, while I was still a believer and church attender, which I was for over 40 years, and in my work, and social gatherings, yet I have only heard a handful of people, and usually they were speakers at an organized revival service, say that they had actually 'experienced' or been 'touched by God'. I find the number of people on this site who make that claim are greater percentage wise than in the general population. Yet, even here, not one has backed that claim with any solid evidence to show that they were in fact 'experiencing God'. Since all of our perceptions, no matter how they are received, are filtered through our brains, I highly suspect that these experiences that people claim to have had were just some sort of an emotional response that they felt created by their brain in response to some sort of input. That might have been a dream, a meaningful event, which didn't seem to have any logical explanation for it, a coincidence, which they decided must have been an act of God, or just plain dumb luck.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#184955 Nov 16, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. on nearly all videos including YOUTUBE, a 'closed-caption' option is now available ..
.. click the CC option at the bottom of video then click ENGLISH ..
Thanks.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184956 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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More than 1,000,000 Californians have had their health insurance canceled thanks to the Unaffordable Care Act.
I'm one of em.
F_ck Hussein.
LOL!

You are so incredibly STUPID, that you would cling to an old, out-of-date policy that is no longer legal.

You are that dumb-- you'd rather pay **more** for a crappy, not-as-good policy!

LOL!

You people are so funny, it's hilarious.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184957 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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More than 1,000,000 Californians have had their health insurance canceled thanks to the Unaffordable Care Act.
I'm one of em.
F_ck Hussein.
Oh, and you are so NOT a christian.

Your Jesus?

Commanded you to **heal** the sick-- not **bleed** them, as what **all** ReThuglicans want to do.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#184958 Nov 16, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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God was the first designer, engineer, architect, builder, creator. He loves his garage projects. It keeps him busy.
What would you do if you were God. Set in a rocking chair with a blank stare and your mouth open?
Which god and who designed it? Was it flawed? God's creator is to blame. Perhaps he was setting (sic) in a rocking chair with a blank stare and his mouth open.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184959 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Thanks. She's really a sweet and special person. You're gonna love her.
So far?

She's managed to evoke a deeper than I usually do response.

That ought to be worth something, right?

:)

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#184960 Nov 16, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I believe that open-mindedness means looking at everything honestly, objectively and subjectively. Not just through the microscope's evidence lens. Being open-minded implies a willingness to consider all sides of an argument, something I think today's atheist can't do.
We Christians say that we 'know' answers that we cannot possible know yet as they believe fully in the Bible. We take it on faith, on belief.
I'll admit that being open-minded means that I HAVE to admit that the Bible may be wrong, which I have. I've contested the 'omnipotence' part of God that clearly cannot be true.
You agnostic/atheists wait for evidence to become available that makes God a fact, but most of you say you'd accept His existence, but still consider Him evil. You're minds seem to be closed, not to anything, just to God. I've seen a lot of atheists that have spiritual experiences, believe in luck, ego or karma, believe in ghosts or aliens, etc. your minds are closed to God.
Who is really open minded? Being open-minded is the best viewpoint as it allows the truth to shine through, and done times that truth requires no evidence.
Open-mindedness cannot be a framework in which you start with absolute truth and ignore everything that contradicts it.
I agree that one has to be open-minded about things, that cannot be proved or haven't been proved, because if we stick to somethign that we don't ahve a shred of reason to, come hell o rhigh water, we are jsut being stubborn, and not willing to learn. I think that is perhaps my reason for having gone from a believing church attending person to one who doesn't believe, and at times can by highly critical of others, especially when they promote aspects of their beliefs which are coutner to human rights, human decency, and just common sense.

I don't know if I am right, but I doubt very many believers in a God, would be willing to jump off a 200 foot high cliff onto boulders below either, on the belief that they have all prayed first to have God save them, and God always answers prayers. The majority cling to their beliefs because it is safe to do so, since nothing very serious is at stake, if they do. Actually, I should have said the majority of believers do, as the majority of people, in the more developed nations today are not believers, or at least are not demonstrating they are by following the belief that a believer must attend Church.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184961 Nov 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You might like this recent edition of Bill Maher's New Rules. The sound is a little faint, but audible:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/09/1254...
And then there's this, also about American conservative Christians:
http://www.alternet.org/belief/gospel-selfish...
Maher is good. Whereas I do not always agree with him across the board?

His criticism of politics-- all aspects including the DemoWimps and the ReThuglicans too, is always top-notch.

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