Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#184550 Nov 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. thanks for the clarification ..
.. indeed, you present a clear, convincing argument ..
.. now, I await IAN's rebuttal ..
.. but, PLEASE, no infinite donuts ..
I can give you his reply before he does.

It will be a dodge based on word-meanings.

He will say that "atheism" means only rejecting specific god-claims, and is therefore, consistent with skepticism.

His argument will rely on the mischaracterization of the two main terms in the discussion.

Getting off the hook, to him, is simply a matter of controlling the vocabulary.

It's a common rhetorical trick. Propagandists use it all the time.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184551 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
Then dreams do not exist, by your own definition.

Which is what I said already.

“Ditat Deus”

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#184552 Nov 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F reethought
Oh, I forgot.
In the index you will see the section called history. Within that section you will find a list of "movements"
"a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas."
"Freethinking"
Say moo.
:-)
HA HA!!

Despite what the term actually means, it is used by condescending people to describe themselves.

The irony of people who refer to themselves as freethinkers is that even though they believe they formed their opinions solely on reason and science, modern psychology disproves that people are capable of that, their cognitive biases make that impossible.

“Ditat Deus”

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#184553 Nov 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You misspelled my name.
But that's okay--- you **are** a low-grade moron.
How can I be a high-grade moron like you?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184554 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Typical atheist.
They deny God because there's no evidence but they accept dreams, intuition, ghosts & aliens....
I do not. And I know of **no** atheists who do.

Typical godbot-- build up that massive Straw Man, so you can knock it over and declare victory...

... over nothing.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
And it's only the Christian God they deny. You very rarely see them discuss any other god except for jokes.
Hilarious.
This is because we do not have islamics herein. We skeptics have exchanged words with these nutters as well.

But you were not around-- likely you are afraid to confront the "religion of peace".

Understandable-- islam does tend to murder critics.

I suppose they learned that lesson from early christianity.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#184555 Nov 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Of course.
And Dave is even more OCD-- I proved it just today.
I blasted a post of his-- just as an experiment.
And? Viola! Results! I got about 8 of mine blasted in return -- 12 times by the same ISP.
It was hilarious.
He's so easy to manipulate, it ought to be a crime.
<laughing my azz off>
Amusing.

The thought you have that so many people that think you are an idiot are really just one man.

Topix needs an online store. The Bouncing Bob Bobble Head Doll would be a big seller. Head bobbling, fingers pounding furiously on a keyboard, and a little wet spot in its chair that it bounces on.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#184556 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Incorrect.
I claim that God gives us free will, which means I control my own actions.
I control myself.
.. how many times do I have to tell you that control is an illusion ??..

.. naughty, naughty boy ..

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184557 Nov 15, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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So you want a definition of a dream as a thing? Something not imagined?
I take it back.
I'm starting to think you ARE stupid.
Yep.

He is.

If he were not? He'd be.... an atheist.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184558 Nov 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I'm so very hurt Bob that you would say such a thing. And I was petitioning congress to have a statue made of you in Washington. The inscription would read,“Bob, the only perfect human being. He was never mean or offensive. Never told a lie ever in his whole life. Just perfection to the core.”
But some in congress didn’t want a statue of a pile of bullsh*t. Go figure…..
You are still not a nice person, in my book.

All you do?

Is try to put people down.

Who Would Jesus Put Down?

I bet **you** know-- you have no shame of any kind.

“Ditat Deus”

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#184559 Nov 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Which, obviously, includes keeping innocent babies from dying needlessly from the most trivial of things.
That's quite an uncaring deity you worship.
You want God to save babies?

What about the old folks?

Or the middle-aged?

What about that college kid that asked for an A on that exam?

Or the wife that asked for a new ring for their anniversary?

What about the neglected animals out there?

What about the weak structures that collapse because of mother nature?

And the dodo bird, what about them?

Where would you have God's aid end? Why do you limit it to "save the babies"?

What kind of people would we be if God did everything for us?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184560 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Banter is one thing, but your homosexual banter's starting to get a little weird.
I'm all out of cucumbers, man.
Classic repressed christian: obsessed with sex.

That does dovetail nicely with your obsession with same sex marriage, too.

“Ditat Deus”

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#184561 Nov 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Then dreams do not exist, by your own definition.
Which is what I said already.
I know you said it already.

But you're wrong then and you're wrong now.

Dreams are very real.

They exist.

Without evidence.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184562 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A dream is a thought, image or sensation occurring in your mind.
Are you implying that thoughts, images or sensations are not "things"?
Are you attempting to redefine yet another word?
They are not.

To qualify as a thing, it must have real existence.

For example: your god is not real, because it has no real-world existence, and cannot actually affect the real world.

Proof, you ask?

Easy: I'm still here, and have not been struck dead.

Your bible specifically outlines the conditions wherein a person **must** be struck dead by your monster-god.

I have fulfilled those conditions many, many times-- but I'm not dead.

... proof your god cannot affect reality.

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#184563 Nov 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well... IANS has recommended you quite highly.
And since I respect the sh7t outta IANS?
Then... sure, why not?
I will try to read your stuff between the lines (as you say) instead of presuming you ought to be lumped with the likes of the god-robots.
:D
But only because IANS vouches for you (and, well, because of your last several, intelligent (and funny) posts too...)
.. you're gonna fall in love with me ..

.. it's inevitable ..

“Ditat Deus”

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#184564 Nov 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. how many times do I have to tell you that control is an illusion ??..
.. naughty, naughty boy ..
No wait, that's not what I meant...

Come baaaa-aaaack!!

Damn you.

Grrr.

Scared?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#184565 Nov 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Of course.
And Dave is even more OCD-- I proved it just today.
I blasted a post of his-- just as an experiment.
And? Viola! Results! I got about 8 of mine blasted in return -- 12 times by the same ISP.
It was hilarious.
He's so easy to manipulate, it ought to be a crime.
<laughing my azz off>
.. send Dave a nude photo ..

.. he'll be nice to you ..

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#184566 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Neat.
So you easily believe that Plato existed but not Jesus.
Even though there's more evidence of Jesus than Plato.
Sounds kinda biased.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/did-...


From an eminent scholar and NON-CHRISTIAN:

(Sorry, I did not clear with IAnus whether I could use the term "non-christian" for someone who is not a christian. He may have a totally different definition...)

"In "Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth," Ehrman soundly refutes the arguments -- sometimes made by atheists, agnostics and humanists -- that early storytellers invented Jesus."

As Christians prepare to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus, Ehrman, an agnostic, convincingly demonstrates in clear, forceful prose that there was a historical Jesus, a Jewish teacher of the first century who was crucified by Pontius Pilate. As for the so-called "mythicists" who argue otherwise, Ehrman has some choice words: "sensationalist," "wrongheaded," and "amateurish."

"They're driven by an ideological agenda, which is, they find organized religion to be dangerous and harmful and the chief organized religion in their environment is Christianity," Ehrman said in an interview.

The fact that Ehrman is siding with Christians on the historical truth of Jesus does not indicate a change of heart, much less a conversion. Instead, he said, it's an attempt to say, "history matters."

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184567 Nov 15, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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They can't honestly Comprehend the Christian God, therefore why or even how could they move on to other Gods.
I already addressed this earlier.

But since you are so incredibly dense?

I'll repeat it-- the majority of god-robots on Topix, in the atheism threads, are of the Genuine Christhole™ variety (you, included-- in spite of your protesting lies).

Thus, there is little point in arguing Zeus or Thor or Quetzequatle.

More to the point?

The majority of atheists herein, were once Genuine Christians™, before becoming atheists.

So you are dead-wrong: we **do** understand the ugly christian monster-god.

We understand it **too** well-- that is part of why we **are** atheists.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#184568 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's why I come here, to learn from a high-class intellectual like you.
Teach me history.
I wanna do history.
No.

You already demonstrated you are completely incapable of learning.

It would be a waste of time, trying to teach you anything.

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#184569 Nov 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What kind of people would we be if God did everything for us?
Democrats?

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