Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#183902 Nov 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have become more spiritual, thoughtful and sensitive than you used to be.
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.. under my firm but gentle hand, you continue to evolve ..
.. now, go to the gym ..
Thanks, HL.

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#183904 Nov 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's it proof.
For all I know, you're talking and someone else is typing.
Or maybe you have Siri typing for you..,
Prove you have hands.
Christine's proof of hands is all the hand-jobs she does for money.

She pays them money, I mean.

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#183905 Nov 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That means you are an atheist but could change to become an agnostic.
There's no such thing as an agnostic atheist. There can't be.
You are correct, Red.

An atheist cannot be a skeptic. A theist can.
Thinking

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#183906 Nov 13, 2013
Not to me. But then I am not a slack brained fuckwit.
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That was my intention, yes.
Was I unclear?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#183907 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
The philosophy of America's founding is a religious concept - that is the only basis they could find for affirming man's endowment of rights, and the inheritance of those rights in equal fashion.
The rational ethics of secular humanism deals with that without an appeal to gods. We have rights because we choose to have them under circumstances in which that is possible. And we choose to have them because reason and compassion suggest that we should.

The point here is that even if the founders did think what you suggest, it was not essential that they did, and there is no debt to faith or religion.

Besides, how do you reconcile your claim with the fact that the Bill of Rights was born in the Age of Enlightenment, and that the US Constitution is a secular document that fails to acknowledge Christianity in any way.

How do you reconcile that with the idea there are no known rights in heaven, nor were there under absolute Christian monarchs? You can't, because we simply didn't get our modern concept of rights from Christianity.
Thinking

UK

#183908 Nov 13, 2013
It's an improv.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Catcher, so you figure out the circuitry and the mechanics.
Now what?
Who does the determining of what is real and what isn't? Don't forget those who figured out those things have one of their own doing the figuring, along with all of the other human traits.
Who does the directing in this little play?

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#183909 Nov 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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*hands Buck a Cheeto*
Cheeto?
Thanks, Red, but one Cheeto would only arouse my appetite without bedding it down.

Have any pork rinds?

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#183910 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have investigated every one else's deities.
Mine is whatever flipped the switch to activate this circuit I am. I don't need a face or a name. That is derived from analyzing how things are put together on my own, not words from a pulpit or the ideas of others of how I got assembled. I just do what I am to do.
Investigate that deity they call arising from random chance you currently worship and the methodologies involved.
Switch on your TV. Man made that. Something switched on man.
Their god is time.

It can do anything; except when someone's watching.

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#183911 Nov 13, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Humans murder little babies and destroys unborn fetuses. They also promote slavery, genocide, and rape.
What's wrong with you?!
Me?

I have never murdered or raped.

Everything else - yeah.

I knocked a guy's front tooth into a woman's popcorn bag once.

She squalled like a Banjo.

“Ditat Deus”

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#183912 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Christine's proof of hands is all the hand-jobs she does for money.
She pays them money, I mean.
I just threw up in my mouth a little.

*smack, smack*
Thinking

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#183913 Nov 13, 2013
Amazing how many god myths are time constrained.
Buck Crick wrote:
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Their god is time.
It can do anything; except when someone's watching.

“Ditat Deus”

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#183914 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are correct, Red.
An atheist cannot be a skeptic. A theist can.
Agreed. It's pretty damn hard to be skeptical if something you don't believe in.

For example, I'm not skeptical about Santa.

I wonder if the agnostics here are...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#183915 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
America was founded on religious concepts. Your argument on this question is contrary to facts.
I say that that is an opinion, not a fact, but really not one worth arguing over. Either way, what you imply is a fundamental or foundational principle of Americanism is merely a gratuitous notion that could be removed from the Constitution without effect. The Founders could just have easily said that our rights come from leprechauns.

Can you show me the biblical passages that you think contributed to the philosophy embodied in the US Constitution or its Bill of Rights? I know that slavery and the disenfranchisement of women were biblical principles, but they aren't actually addressed in writing until they were corrected according to secularist values.

“Ditat Deus”

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#183916 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Thanks, Red, but one Cheeto would only arouse my appetite without bedding it down.
Have any pork rinds?
Just the spicy kind.

Want some, get some.

Lol

“Ditat Deus”

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#183917 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Me?
I have never murdered or raped.
Everything else - yeah.
I knocked a guy's front tooth into a woman's popcorn bag once.
She squalled like a Banjo.
Nice.

I smashed a guts head into a stucco wall because he called me 'white boy' one too many times.

In all fairness, I warned his ass. He didn't listen....
Thinking

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#183918 Nov 13, 2013
Cue a fantasy story regarding that 747 you hijacked...
Buck Crick wrote:
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I have never murdered or raped.
Everything else - yeah.

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#183919 Nov 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I say that that is an opinion, not a fact, but really not one worth arguing over. Either way, what you imply is a fundamental or foundational principle of Americanism is merely a gratuitous notion that could be removed from the Constitution without effect. The Founders could just have easily said that our rights come from leprechauns.
Can you show me the biblical passages that you think contributed to the philosophy embodied in the US Constitution or its Bill of Rights? I know that slavery and the disenfranchisement of women were biblical principles, but they aren't actually addressed in writing until they were corrected according to secularist values.
The founding philosophy was not a gratuitous notion.

Not then, not now. It's still the only basis for rights.

Other systems exist.

Honey bees have differential rights determined genetically, as with drones, workers, and queens.

Here in America, we benefit from a system which says each human being is endowed with the same rights as another.

Yet, some will fight that. They even argue that some humans are not human beings.

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#183920 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
It's an improv.
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Nice observation. Deists and theists can appreciate that.

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#183921 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Cue a fantasy story regarding that 747 you hijacked...
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Never did that.

...but it's a hell of an idea.
LCNLin

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#183922 Nov 13, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well, yes-- they are.
But, we **must** discount them, when trying to observe reality.
Feelings will always contaminate observations.
we **must** discount them = Dogma

Bob has his own church

LOL

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