Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Anon

Lakewood, OH

#183507 Nov 11, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You misunderstand.
From:
http://news.discovery.com/human/life/atheist-...
"Officially named The Sunday Assembly, the church was the brainchild of Pippa Evans and Sanderson Jones, two comedians who suspected there might be an appetite for atheist gatherings that borrowed a few aspects of religious worship".
It is partly a joke (Atheist Church - get it?) and partly an opportunity for the non-religious to meet like-minded people. It is as innocent and irreligious as a British Humanist Association meeting.(Some non-believers aren't attracted by current humanist meetings).
Wish I could agree with you, but I can't. A door has been thrown open that should have remained nailed shut. We categorize Christian followers as "sheeple". What clever name will we apply to the atheist wannabees as they attend "classes" and sing "awesome songs" as the article states. Oh my, what fun! Losers...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#183508 Nov 11, 2013
coarsely - (I know :-)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#183509 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
...As Richard Dawkins discovered when he left atheism for agnostic beliefs ...
What?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#183510 Nov 11, 2013
Anon wrote:
This really has my blood boiling. Atheist mega-churches? Who are these idiots, and more importantly, why is this catching on? They're playing the same game as organized religion, right down to the collection plate. I shouldn't really be surprised, given enough time humans eventually screw everything up. I haven't been this pissed in years...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
Alright, the religion of Atheism. Make sure you give a hearty offering so the church leader can drive a nice expensive Bentley, have a mansion, plush vacations six months of the year, and a private jet.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#183511 Nov 11, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>Where does it matter the geographical place one is born, or one lives. are we not all of the same human species, living on the only planet to sustain the diversity of life as we know it. Is it not time mankind get over our piety differences and understand we have more in common than different. My friend, I would like to travel around the world on my bike, to experience the beauty and diversity of the life on our planet and other cultures , without fear of being hated, and despised for what I look like or where I'm from, how I think.I could not even travel the USA freely,and I am native American.I see no difference from the teacher,in north America, Europe, Africa, Asia,India,south America the middle east. I see no difference in the way we express our love for family and community.Yet we still live in fear of each other.Why ?
You don't come across as someone to fear. You have different views than I do but there’s no reason for hate. Some countries you can travel freely but others you could be a target.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#183512 Nov 11, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
... We categorize Christian followers as "sheeple". What clever name will we apply to the atheist wannabees as they attend "classes" and sing "awesome songs" as the article states. Oh my, what fun! Losers...
Well, I can only speak for myself but I don't think most non-believers do call Christians (or other religionists) sheeples with the intent to be very offensive. I suppose it might be said to 'make a point' or 'take a dig' at them. And I don't think anyone who isn't bad-natured indulges much in 'clever names' or wants to be guilty of any uncalled for criticism, still less derision.

I see no harm Atheist Assemblies and I don't think you indicate any harm they cause. Any group that meets may have some lout call them a 'clever name'.

Perhaps that's another difference between the UK and USA?- Not everything has to be a fight between two sides, with winners and losers. Issues can just be keenly debated without despising those who are mistaken.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#183513 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
"Let me repost something I just left on another thread on exactly that...... "...... self-centered seems to define atheism on a thread.
I suspect that you're looking from the perspective of somebody that has been taught that submission and the diminution of the self are virtues at somebody that has learned the opposite. To me, autonomy and self-actualization are virtues.

Christians tend to consider failure to submit an expression of inappropriate rebellion and foolish pride.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#183514 Nov 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Alright, the religion of Atheism. Make sure you give a hearty offering so the church leader can drive a nice expensive Bentley, have a mansion, plush vacations six months of the year, and a private jet.
So that's what you would like to see? I think that says more about you than those who attend atheist meetings. I just see some nice folks having a good time. Better than the TV (or Topix :-). And at least they're fairly democratic and not hierarchical or authoritarian. I think that's a concern that many people express about atheist and humanist groups - they fear a sort of 'godless religion'- but people should keep an open mind and not pre-judge every new development.'Change' and 'new' can be good and freethinkers might be expected to appreciate that.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#183515 Nov 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Alright, the religion of Atheism. Make sure you give a hearty offering so the church leader can drive a nice expensive Bentley, have a mansion, plush vacations six months of the year, and a private jet.
This is how it starts. My father once told me that 95% of everything is bullshit. I feel his estimate is a little low.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#183516 Nov 11, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Wish I could agree with you, but I can't. A door has been thrown open that should have remained nailed shut. We categorize Christian followers as "sheeple". What clever name will we apply to the atheist wannabees as they attend "classes" and sing "awesome songs" as the article states. Oh my, what fun! Losers...
The Non-Church of Free Thinkers

Dawkin's Demons

Hitchen's Hellraisers

Murray's Marauders

Hypocrites-R-Us

heh heh heh heh heh

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183517 Nov 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God
by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- "More than 9 in 10 Americans still say "yes" when asked the basic question "Do you believe in God?"; this is down only slightly from the 1940s, when Gallup first asked this question."
So?

You did not read my post-- at all.

I agreed that the US is a religious country-- like Iran, Iraq and other theistic regimes.

It's the non-religious countries that are doing so much better than the US is.

In all the areas of civilization that **count**>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183518 Nov 11, 2013
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text>I agree my friend,very much so. Education is the key, which is why some like the Taliban, orthodox jews, orthodox christians, ban any kind of relevant education. Shared knowledge and a relevant education is key to any successful society, indeed it is the only thing that will save humanity from itself.
Indeed... education is the key to many things--including an improved civilization.

The proof is the many countries in Europe who are mostly atheistic--but that's just a side-effect for having a population that is more educated than elsewhere.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183519 Nov 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
These polls only sample .02% of the US population. Accuracy is in question.
You sound.... desperate.

Interesting.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183520 Nov 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Throw me a curve ball and put in some truth.
You cannot handle the truth, to quote a famous movie character.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183521 Nov 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I also believe there has been an exodus from faith in Europe. I don’t have a lot of nice things to say about European Churches or Europe in general. It would be the last place in earth I would go and visit. If I did I would make the focal point of my trip visiting our war graves.
They can have their cold dark dingy castles and their godlessness. I must admit France was nice enough to give us lady liberty.
They are leaving religion because they are far more educated on average, than the US is.

And there is a direct correlation between high educational achievement, and atheism.

Which explains why **you** are both a godbot, and under educated too ...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183522 Nov 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Take a extended tour in some our worst prisons. You’ll see the opposite of the sermon on the Mount.
They are full of you people-- far more than in the general population too.

Interesting.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183523 Nov 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Buck doesn't recognize the concept of weak atheism.
Buck does not recognize much of anything outside his own delusions.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183524 Nov 11, 2013
Anon wrote:
This really has my blood boiling. Atheist mega-churches? Who are these idiots, and more importantly, why is this catching on? They're playing the same game as organized religion, right down to the collection plate. I shouldn't really be surprised, given enough time humans eventually screw everything up. I haven't been this pissed in years...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
Ain't you special.
blacklagoon

Hyde Park, MA

#183525 Nov 11, 2013
Anon wrote:
This really has my blood boiling. Atheist mega-churches? Who are these idiots, and more importantly, why is this catching on? They're playing the same game as organized religion, right down to the collection plate. I shouldn't really be surprised, given enough time humans eventually screw everything up. I haven't been this pissed in years...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
It would appear that as more people become educated in the sciences, childish religious belief evaporate. For every "God answer" that science supplies the "real" answer for, God becomes an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.

Given enough time religion will cease to be important, and only a small pocket of delusional people will exist. Perhaps then, the divisiveness that religion has always caused will be no more, and people can finally realize the benefits of a cooperative society. One can only hope!!!
LCNLin

United States

#183526 Nov 11, 2013
Science is silent on atheism
Evolution is silent on atheism

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