Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183129 Nov 7, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Atheist love to hold on to the 1920ís childrenís interpretation of Noahís flood. We have moved on and now have indoor plumbing, electric homes, and automobiles that talk.
I do believe there was a massive flood in Noahís time the encompassed thousands of square miles. But the childrenís interpretation, lets just say we moved on. I think itís time Atheist get up to date with what Christians believe today.
So.

If the bible **lied** about the flood?

What **else** did it lie about?

Hmmm?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183130 Nov 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>He will get NO forgiveness from me, murdering innocent little babies is unforgivable.
Indeed it is.

I said I would **consider** it.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183131 Nov 7, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheist love to hold on to the 1920ís childrenís interpretation of Noahís flood. We have moved on and now have indoor plumbing, electric homes, and automobiles that talk.
I do believe there was a massive flood in Noahís time the encompassed thousands of square miles. But the childrenís interpretation, lets just say we moved on. I think itís time Atheist get up to date with what Christians believe today.
Since the bible lied about the flood?

How do you tell when it's lying, and how do you tell when it isn't?

Or is it just simpler to admit that the bible pretty much lies all the time?

That is what most atheists finally figured out, you know.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#183132 Nov 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Recent news that impacts both Christians and Atheist. The Supreme Court is set to rule on prayer before local government meetings. This is going to be difficult for the court to rule on. Because prayer has been said before government meetings going back to 1787. A historical precedent has already been set.

If it was unconstitutional I would have expected it to have been stopped 226 years ago. But the founding fathers of this nation had prayer before government meetings.

We must remember in this balance between separation of church and state. The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.¬Ē

The part I would like all my Atheist friends here on topix to note is this,¬ďOr prohibiting the free exercise thereof.¬Ē So individuals can and should be able to freely exercise their religious beliefs within reason. No matter where they happen to be. On government property or private property.

But organized and scheduled prayers before government meetings should be suspended by the Supreme Court. A lot has happed since 1787 and America has become more religiously diverse. I don’t want to here a Satanist prayer for example. If you allow organized Christian prayer that opens the door to any religion to participate.

That doesn’t mean a High School Student on the football team is prevented from saying a prayer with his teammates before the game providing they volunteer to be in the prayer group.
So I'm sure you would have no problem with Muslim or Satanist prayers being said before government meetings, right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Right?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183133 Nov 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Strong principles or strong sense of contrariness?
Well if he is strong enough to reject the weight of opinion telling him he has betray his own convictions by taking a holy pledge against his will or be ostracised then I would say principals

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183134 Nov 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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As an American I also respect Mr. Ashta individual right. But on the other hand his constituents donít have to support him for re-election if he decides to run again. That happens to be their right as voters.
The pledge to the US flag is not a form of worship but a display of American Patriotism. As you have stated this is my opinion and apparently that of the local American Legion. Mr. Ashta showed disrespect to his nations ensign, and the people who are patriotic to their country.
Thankfully this community that Mr. Ashta represents was civil in their response. My bet is this man will not be an elected government official ever again. Heís sending a message to the public about what Atheism stands for by his rude display of disrespect. Thatís not hurting me but all the patriotic Atheist that do respect their nation and flag.
No you donít you lying little toad, I quote your post ĖďThat message is this,ďIím a butthead.ĒĒ

That my dear little godbot IS NOT RESPECT, that is ignorance that disrespects the US constitution.

If the pledge is not a form of worship then why all the objections to restoring to itís early incarnation by taking the reference to god out? It has been made a form of worship

No he did not show disrespect, he chose to make a stand,(by sitting) and not to follow the sheep. That is not showing disrespect, that is showing individualism and personal sincerity. Nor is it showing what atheism stands for, that my dear is an argument born of ignorance and intolerance.

I am sure that there are many voters who feel as you do, that a person cannot be an individual after all the US is said to be 70 odd percent christian and we know the hatred you pour on the remaining 20 odd percent. And despite the US constitution there are some states that still have rules in place to bar non christians from office, such restriction in personal liberty and freedom of expression a supposedly free county is laughable

If as you say, it is not hurting you then why do you feel that you should comment so abusively and hurl disrespect at his freedom to exercise his choice?

Note that your constitution gives him the right to refuse to stand or recite the pledge. So what you are saying in reviling his actions is that you disagree with the constitution.

You godbots are all the same, you want individual freedom just so long as itís on your terms.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183135 Nov 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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If evolution is factual there should be in the fossil record a clear indication of a track. Ants for example in the fossil record look the same as they did 300 million years ago. If evolution is so prominent. Orangutans would be driving taxiís in New York.
We have been here before and it seems that you have ignored me and my citations

There is clear evidence in the fossil record, however some species have in times past evolved perfect adaptation to their environment they have no need to evolve further.

I though orangutans did drive taxis in New York.

Joking aside, why do you suppose orangutans make any sort of valid argument for the evolution of any other species?

Oh I know, because you donít have a valid argument, fair enough

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183136 Nov 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I always thought "spray cheese" was just Silly String, only cheese-flavored.
;)
I avoid it totally.
You totally do the right thing

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183137 Nov 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I hadn't been there in quite awhile-- I suspect there are more members than is obvious.
After all, you and I both know that reading and studying the bible is one of the best ways to become an atheist.
:)
Reading and studying being the operative words

As opposed to selectively cherry picking

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183138 Nov 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well... you could join a Universal Unitarian church-- they welcome atheists with open arms.
There is a nice one here in my town, and several of my atheist acquaintances are regular members.
In fact? Their church hosted a Skepticon, which is pretty much all atheists.
:)
I'd join myself-- but I find that I really hate church-- and without the burden of guilt? I just do not care to attend.
:)
I had had my fill of the church mentality by the time I was 14, I donít think I could cope with the forced hypocrisy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183140 Nov 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>He will get NO forgiveness from me, murdering innocent little babies is unforgivable.
So, BakedBuffoon, then you have never voted for a democrat?

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#183141 Nov 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Atheist love to hold on to the 1920ís childrenís interpretation of Noahís flood. We have moved on and now have indoor plumbing, electric homes, and automobiles that talk.
I do believe there was a massive flood in Noahís time the encompassed thousands of square miles. But the childrenís interpretation, lets just say we moved on. I think itís time Atheist get up to date with what Christians believe today.
So, basically, even though the bible doesn't say that about the flood, that's what you believe?

I'm shocked - shocked!- that someone would alter the meaning of the bible just to match their own beliefs.

Shocked, I say!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183142 Nov 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
So I go and do some research on whale evolution.
Holy sh*t thatís some far fetched stuff. Hoofed animals turning into whales?
Call me ignorant or whatever but this evolution crap is right up there with Cinderellaís mice turning into horsemen.
I refuse to believe that crap. You can if you want to but this stuff of wolfs running over a creek and turning into whales is just beyond my imagination. I canít believe people actually believe that sh*t.
If you believe in that horse sh*t you will believe anything. I'm sorry, I don't believe it one bit.
Yet you believe a being for which you have no verifiable evidence for, scooped up a pile of dirt, blew on it and out popped a fully formed male. This unknown being then ripped out a rib from this man and magically produced a fully formed female who then was persuaded by a talking snake to eat fruit from a magical tree. This you believe without hesitation, go figure.

A wolf running across a stream and immediately turning into a whale is not at all what evolution claims. Thats right up there with Kirk Cameron's model of a crocodile with a ducks head glued on. This is further proof of your childlike inability to process information. Your scientific ignorance is on display when you say "I believe in micro-evolution, but not macro-evolution." You have NO idea how the process of evolution operates, nor do you have a conception of the time involved.

You have the attitude that, "If it's so comp[lex and I can't understand it, if it seems so absurd to (ME) then it can't possibly be true" I'll ask you two questions, only because I'm curious

1.) 99% of ALL scientist world-wide accept evolution as factual. These are well educated, very smart people who have spent their lives studying evolution. Now do you think this many people devoted to this study are wrong?

1.) In 2008 there were 135,000 articles posted in reputable scientific journals in support of the facts dealing with evolution. There were ZERO posted that refuted these facts. Why do you suppose that is?

The proof that whales were once land mammals are as follows, yes, yes, I know you will ignore these facts or try and divert the conversation as you always do when you have nothing intelligent to say. I'm a teacher, and I teach at a very high level, some very complex concepts and I have seen students who were totally unable to process complex concepts, I'm quite sure this applies to you. The other choice is your dumb as a bag of rocks.

Whales were "designed" for an aquatic environment, like all mammals they have lungs and NOT gills. The bare their young live and if the mother does not get under the baby and lift it to the surface for its first breath it drowns. Sperm whales must reduce their heart beat and hold their breath as they dive as much as a mile down to feed on giant squid.

Any natural science museum will display the skeleton of a whale that shows a *vestigal* hind leg. Existing fossil will show the gradual progression of the nostrils moving toward the top of the head, as EVOLUTION attempt to aid in the adaptation from a land mammal to the sea. Remember the ultimate purpose of evolution is survival. NOW, for you this is important in you inability to grasp the time involved in the evolutionary processes (It took about 1 million years for the nostril to move about 10 inches in the head of Rodhocetus, the species the preceded the modern whale.)

In all whales the manus terminal segment of a forelimb corresponds to the hand and wrist. In Right Whales, the manus is short and broad having ALL FIVE DIGITS PRESENT.) In Greenland Whales there is a proximal somewhat pear shaped bone about 8 inches in length and a smaller conical distal bone which represents the femur and tibia respectively.

On one of my previous post I gave you some wrong information in regards to the articles written in support of evolution. It should read, in 2010 there were 235,000 articles in support of evolution and zero against.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183143 Nov 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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So, BakedBuffoon, then you have never voted for a democrat?
Well thank you for acknowledging your demo God as a baby killer and fetus destroyer, nice job. By not denying my statement you obviously agree he murders innocent little babies. Thanks for the help!!!!
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183144 Nov 8, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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No you donít you lying little toad, I quote your post ĖďThat message is this,ďIím a butthead.ĒĒ
That my dear little godbot IS NOT RESPECT, that is ignorance that disrespects the US constitution.
If the pledge is not a form of worship then why all the objections to restoring to itís early incarnation by taking the reference to god out? It has been made a form of worship
No he did not show disrespect, he chose to make a stand,(by sitting) and not to follow the sheep. That is not showing disrespect, that is showing individualism and personal sincerity. Nor is it showing what atheism stands for, that my dear is an argument born of ignorance and intolerance.
I am sure that there are many voters who feel as you do, that a person cannot be an individual after all the US is said to be 70 odd percent christian and we know the hatred you pour on the remaining 20 odd percent. And despite the US constitution there are some states that still have rules in place to bar non christians from office, such restriction in personal liberty and freedom of expression a supposedly free county is laughable
If as you say, it is not hurting you then why do you feel that you should comment so abusively and hurl disrespect at his freedom to exercise his choice?
Note that your constitution gives him the right to refuse to stand or recite the pledge. So what you are saying in reviling his actions is that you disagree with the constitution.
You godbots are all the same, you want individual freedom just so long as itís on your terms.
ďyou lying little toadĒ

Well Iíll tell you this, you made me laugh with your comment. Believe it or not I was a horny toad when I was younger.[laughing]
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183145 Nov 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So.
If the bible **lied** about the flood?
What **else** did it lie about?
Hmmm?
Bob, go do your dishes. They're stacked up to the ceiling.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183146 Nov 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Well thank you for acknowledging your demo God as a baby killer and fetus destroyer, nice job. By not denying my statement you obviously agree he murders innocent little babies. Thanks for the help!!!!
I acknowledge no such god.

And you didn't address the question.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183147 Nov 8, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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We have been here before and it seems that you have ignored me and my citations
There is clear evidence in the fossil record, however some species have in times past evolved perfect adaptation to their environment they have no need to evolve further.
I though orangutans did drive taxis in New York.
Joking aside, why do you suppose orangutans make any sort of valid argument for the evolution of any other species?
Oh I know, because you donít have a valid argument, fair enough
I'm sorry, I tried but whales comming from hoofed animals is over the top for even me.[hugs]
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183148 Nov 8, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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So, basically, even though the bible doesn't say that about the flood, that's what you believe?
I'm shocked - shocked!- that someone would alter the meaning of the bible just to match their own beliefs.
Shocked, I say!
[patting your head] Run along kid and take your skate board.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183149 Nov 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you believe a being for which you have no verifiable evidence for, scooped up a pile of dirt, blew on it and out popped a fully formed male. and zero against.
My good music Doctor, there may be some evidence of certain animals evolving to some degree. I have repeatedly said I believe in microbiological evolution. But Iím sorry, I tried and canít believe whales came from wolves or hoofed animals. Setting aside microbiological evolution it doesnít matter in life.

It makes absolutely no difference at all. Letís say we both were in a car accident in Boston. We both ended up at the Emergency Room at the same time. The ER Doctor is not going to ask.ďDo you believe whales came from hoofed animals?Ē Because you say yes, youíre not going to get better care.

Now if I was getting a graduate degree in science. I would tell the professor what ever he wants to here so I could graduate. Thatís what a lot of scientist do. They play along because if they said what they really believed when it comes to evolution. They would be collecting trash for the City Solid Waste Department.

Evolution is the only science that has an enforcement arm. Why does it need this extensive enforcement arm? To keep the troops in line when it comes to pseudo science. My good Doctor, I canít believe all that horse sh*t.

Now as far as how God made Adam? I donít know how he did it. I just know that the very first recorded CPR was done by God himself on Adam. Thousands of years or even millions of years before modern medicine adopted the practice for saving lives. Now thatís something in the Bible that is relevant to all humans.

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