Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181784 Oct 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
So... the "answer" is .. more magic?
Why not just magic the problem people away in the first place, and save all the fuss?
If bible-god is going to invoke magic--it would be easier to magic-up a nice fatal disease that **only** affects evil people (a magical disease you see) and within hours? All the bad people are dead.
And none of the baby ducks or baby kittens or baby puppies have to be drowned....
Yea really, who would think wood would float?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181785 Oct 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you a hint.
Although I hesitate to reveal my identity on these threads, I'll give you the first four letters of my name.
Meth
You figure it out.
You don't need to do that and you need to keep your id a secret.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181786 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Excuse me but you really are a complete idiot. "And the mountains were COVERED." Holy shit if the mountains were COVERED, that meant they were COVERED, tops and all. Here try these, it might help your idiocy:
I COVERED my car with a tarp.......This means the entire car was covered, would I say I COVERED my car, and really meant I covered everything but the TOP?
My brother lives in Colorado, had to leave because of the flood, and NO it didn't COVER the mountains, the water flowed down from the mountains.
Do you really work and being this stupid or does it come naturally?
If the top of the mountain had snow and water at the bottom then the entire mountain is covered by the same substance.

H2O

That's not too far fetched.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181787 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
H2O
Yes... one big lie.

That describes your bible accurately.

What is funny?

The symbol "H2O" is **scientific**.

There is **nothing** in the stupid bible that even **hints** that water is made of oxygen and hydrogen gas.

Nothing.

Obviously, the bible god was 100% ignorant of basic Jr High chemistry....

... LOL!
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181788 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Excuse me but you really are a complete idiot. "And the mountains were COVERED." Holy shit if the mountains were COVERED, that meant they were COVERED, tops and all. Here try these, it might help your idiocy:
I COVERED my car with a tarp.......This means the entire car was covered, would I say I COVERED my car, and really meant I covered everything but the TOP?
My brother lives in Colorado, had to leave because of the flood, and NO it didn't COVER the mountains, the water flowed down from the mountains.
Do you really work and being this stupid or does it come naturally?
By the way, most mountians are coverd in H2O, in the form of snow. You need to get out more Doctor.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181789 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea really, who would think wood would float?
A boat the size of the ark? Would leak. That is the **facts** jack.

A **wooden** framed boat that size, twists with each passing wave.

With **each** and **every** twist? Water would leak in.

The weight of thousands of animals is not trivial...

.. and the weight of 180 days worth of food is even greater.

So the boat? Would sink like a stone-- within 30 minutes, in fact.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181790 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't need to do that and you need to keep your id a secret.
Indeed... there are Genuine Christiansô on Topix who would literally drive to our homes and shoot us dead where we live.

I've been threatened in exactly that way, by True Believersô who desire to see me dead-- and took great pleasure in telling me.

I and others got most of them banned soon enough. But it happened, and likely will happen again.

So yes-- keeping one's ID secret in the Land Of Christiansô is a good idea....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181791 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't need to do that and you need to keep your id a secret.
I will say one thing, Eagle-- you are a lot of things, true.

But I've never seen you threaten anyone with murder.

Kudos, man.
LCNlin

Marietta, GA

#181792 Oct 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes... that's right, I had forgotten. Thank you.
The god-besotted must have been frothing at their collective mouths as science and reason began to erode their power bases.
One thing that helped a lot? Movable type, which enabled cheap printing --- so cheap, that eventually the first **disposable** "books" were invented (news papers).
It was truly a game-changer for human achievement.
It appears the internet is a similar game-changer.
... and perhaps could be the final death knell for religion.
About damn time, too.
:)
Hitler seemed also to agree with you

ďAs far as we are concerned, weíve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.Ē-Hitlerís Table Talk, pg 394

ďThere is something very unhealthy about Christianity.Ē-Hitlerís Table Talk, pg 418

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#181793 Oct 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes... that's right, I had forgotten. Thank you.
The god-besotted must have been frothing at their collective mouths as science and reason began to erode their power bases.
One thing that helped a lot? Movable type, which enabled cheap printing --- so cheap, that eventually the first **disposable** "books" were invented (news papers).
It was truly a game-changer for human achievement.
It appears the internet is a similar game-changer.
... and perhaps could be the final death knell for religion.
About damn time, too.
:)
Agreed. But first we'll have to get rid of the "yellow-rag journalists" that proliferate in cyberspace as does the National Enquirer in newsprint.

*sighs*

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181794 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
If the top of the mountain had snow and water at the bottom then the entire mountain is covered by the same substance.
H2O
That's not too far fetched.
Yes it is-- if the "covering" was intended to be snow? The story would say so-- as the bible-writers were not unfamiliar with snow.

But.

H2O? Really?

The bible's god is 100% unfamiliar with that term--

-- there is **nothing** in the bible that explains that water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen.

Nothing.

Such an important fact ought to have had a mention, don't you think?

No?

Obviously the bible-writers flunked basic science.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181795 Oct 28, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed. But first we'll have to get rid of the "yellow-rag journalists" that proliferate in cyberspace as does the National Enquirer in newsprint.
*sighs*
The modern young kids are wiser than we were at the same age, I think.

They are learning first-hand, what bullshyt is, and as a result, learning how to tell the difference between it and reality.

Which is why religion is on a rapid decline.. seeing as it's 100% bullshyt.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181796 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, you are too funny I found Shearer nautical firm, but they have deleted their site that dealt with the Ark. Could you be more dishonest!!!! Tell you what, YOU find the site were they discuss to viability of the Ark and post it, otherwise your site is bogus.
You know NOTHING about boats and the sea, so stop pretending you do. I've spent a good part of my life on the ocean is a boat. Any craft, ANY, over 300 feet in length, built of ONLY wood is unseaworthy. ALL wooden boats over 300 feet need to be reenforced with steel rods and iron braces. Wood is flexible, it becomes more FLEXIBLE the longer the pieces are. A wooden boat is heavy sea's *twists* The other planking separates and the boat takes on water. In many of these ship's the bilge pumps were barely capable of keeping up with the water being taken on. And these were boats that were reenforced with steel and iron. A boat unable to keep her bow into the waves becomes a bobbing cork, battered on all sides by massive waves. A ship the size of the Ark, and loaded as she was, would not have lasted a week at sea, and never a year. After six months her hull would have collected massive amounts of sea growth, adding even more weight to her. A wooden boat the size of the Ark with no reenforcement, no means of propulsion to keep her point into the waves, and no means of keeping massive amount of sea growth under her hull, is quite simple a nautical impossibility. Sorry for your loss!!!
I see, you know a lot, and you think itís impossible to have H2O covering a mountain top. Letís see, whatís on top of Mt McKinley?

According to you itís a dry desert. Itís impossible for water to be covering a mountain top?

Itís called snow, H20, One hydrogen and two oxygen molecules. Water in the frozen form.

I hope you are much better at music then you are in science and engineering. The last I heard, wood floats in most cases. Tons of it was floated down rivers all over America for over a hundred years to get to saw mills.

Letís see a Ark made of wood is not like a Ark made of concrete. I bet since wood floats thereís a good chance a Ark made out of wood will float.

Iím really not trying to make you look bad Doctor. Youíre doing a good job of that all by yourself.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181797 Oct 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I will say one thing, Eagle-- you are a lot of things, true.
But I've never seen you threaten anyone with murder.
Kudos, man.
Thank you my friend.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181798 Oct 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is-- if the "covering" was intended to be snow? The story would say so-- as the bible-writers were not unfamiliar with snow.
But.
H2O? Really?
The bible's god is 100% unfamiliar with that term--
-- there is **nothing** in the bible that explains that water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen.
Nothing.
Such an important fact ought to have had a mention, don't you think?
No?
Obviously the bible-writers flunked basic science.
I bet people of earlier times knew if you melted snow it would turn to water. Snow = Water

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181799 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, you know a lot, and you think itís impossible to have H2O covering a mountain top. Letís see, whatís on top of Mt McKinley?
According to you itís a dry desert. Itís impossible for water to be covering a mountain top?
Itís called snow, H20, One hydrogen and two oxygen molecules. Water in the frozen form.
I hope you are much better at music then you are in science and engineering. The last I heard, wood floats in most cases. Tons of it was floated down rivers all over America for over a hundred years to get to saw mills.
Letís see a Ark made of wood is not like a Ark made of concrete. I bet since wood floats thereís a good chance a Ark made out of wood will float.
Iím really not trying to make you look bad Doctor. Youíre doing a good job of that all by yourself.
I love how you are busy re-writing the bible's story in a vain effort to try to fix it's obvious errors.

It's cute.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181800 Oct 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
A boat the size of the ark? Would leak. That is the **facts** jack.
A **wooden** framed boat that size, twists with each passing wave.
With **each** and **every** twist? Water would leak in.
The weight of thousands of animals is not trivial...
.. and the weight of 180 days worth of food is even greater.
So the boat? Would sink like a stone-- within 30 minutes, in fact.
Iím not a seaman but I do know wood can swell when it is wet.

And many of ship sailed the ocean made entirely of wood.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181801 Oct 28, 2013
One more thing:

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lordís work."
[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181802 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you my friend.
You are most welcome-- I meant every word in that post.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181803 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>No such documentation for this Shearer and associates can be found. It is your responsibility to post such documentation, otherwise we will all know that you are lying. I told you, I went to the site, it was deleted. Most likely because any Marine engineer would realize how impossible an Ark as described in the bible is. So, find this article, and post it, or apologize for being a bold faced liar.
Exactly how does one "Study" Noah's Ark? There is no such vessel, nor has anyone ever found evidence of this mythical vessel, so how the hell does one "Study" that which does not exist?
The specs were listed in the Bible.

It was meant for one voyage.

It was a one time escape vehicle and thatís it.

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