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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#181819 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The typical tidal rise in the open ocean presently is about 2 feet. This can grow to 38 feet in some places. All in the amount of water and the resistance to it.
In the open ocean a tsunami might rise to 3 feet or so.
Both of those things flood.
A few inches higher water means mucho feet when it hits land. The tides never stop. An all water planet has a wave going around it all of the time.
Local floods, not world wide floods that require 9 metres of water per hour falling on every square cm of earth for 40 days and 40 nights

Have you seen many all water planets?

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#181820 Oct 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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And?
Modern glues and caulks to seal the boards.
The ark as described, would have sunk within 30 minutes due to leaks.
Don’t know about 30 minuets but it would certainly have sunk soon enough under the deluge

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Since: Nov 10

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#181821 Oct 29, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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Hitler the atheist
“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6
“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145
“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394
“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 418
Hitler the christian

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." - Mein Kampf

“It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God.”-Munich, 01 Aug. 1923

The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie.- writing to the Nazi Party 22 July 1933,

We had no prayer but this during our long years of struggle: Lord, give our people peace at home and abroad!- Oath Under the Cathedral of Light, 14 Sept. 1936

God helps only those who are prepared and determined to help themselves.- Weimar 06 Nov. 1938

Help yourself, then God will also help you!- Wilhemshaven, 01 April 1939

I never lost my belief, in the midst of setbacks which were not spared me during my period of struggle. Providence has had the last word and brought me success - speech of 23 Nov. 1939

May therefore God give us the strength to continue to do our duty and with this prayer we bow in homage before our dead heroes, before those whom they have left behind in bereavement, and before all the other victims of this war - in prayer at the end of a radio address on 15 March 1942.

I, for my part, acknowledge another precept which says that man must deal the final blow to those whose downfall is destined by God.- address to the Reichstag, 06 April 1942

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#181822 Oct 29, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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Hitler the atheist
“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6
“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145
“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394
“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 418
Multiple scholars consider Hitler's final religious position to be one of >deism<.....not Atheism. Some have used the terminology that he did not "believe in God", others that he was "atheist". The question is debated, but the PROOF is in the pudding. He was raised CATHOLIC, and catholicism spawned what we now know as the man Hitler. During his career, and for a variety of reasons, he made various comments against atheistic movements...I guess you missed that part!
Richard J. Evans wrote that "Hitler emphasised again and again his belief that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on modern science.

"n early 1933, Hitler publicly defended National Socialism against charges that it was anti-Christian. He stated in a speech to the people of Stuttgart on February 15, 1933: "Today they say that Christianity is in danger, that the Catholic faith is threatened. My reply to them is: for the time being, Christians and not international atheists are now standing at Germany’s fore. I am not merely talking about Christianity; I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity."

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181823 Oct 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nope, not even close, Dave. Simply claiming it doesn't make it so. Let's crunch some numbers:
[1] The total amount of water on earth is about 1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.htm...
[2] Most of it is in the oceans, the volume of which is about 1,300,000,000 km3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean
Now we calculate how much water it would take to cover Everest:
[3] The mean radius of the unflooded earth is about 6370 km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_radius
[4] The height of Mt. Everest is 8.85 km (5.50 miles, 29029 feet)
http://www.bharatonline.com/nepal/mount-evere...
[5] The volume of a sphere is =(4/3)(pi)( r^3)
[6] The volume of the unflooded earth is =(4/3)(3.14)(6370)^3 = 1.08214805 x 10^12 = 1,082,148,050,000 km3
[7] Volume of flooded earth =(4/3)(3.14)(6370 + 8.85)^3 = 1.08666469 x 10^12 = 1,086,664,690,000 km3
[8] The difference = about 4,500,000,000 km3 of water that must be added to the earth to cover Everest, which is three times the total amount of water already on earth - a fourfold dilution.
The water simply isn't available. If you'd like, we can look at the various compartments of water apart from the oceans in detail, which altogether comprise less than 4% of the earth's water: surface ice (glaciers, ice caps, and mountain snow), fresh liquid surface water (lakes and rivers), subsurface (ground) water, biological water (in plants and animals) and atmospheric water (clouds and water vapor).
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Insignificant.
[9] Earth accumulates about 40,000 metric tons (40,000,000 kg) of space dust a year. http://gizmodo.com/5882517/did-you-know-that-...
Let's ignore the fact that the mass lost every day from atmospheric loss exceeds the mass of space dust accumulating onto the earth by a factor of two (same link)
[10] The mass of the earth is about 5.97E24 kg.
http://www.universetoday.com/47217/
[11] Raising that amount by a percent of a percent of a percent would be an increase of 1 part per million, or about 6E18 kg of matter.
[12] At 40E6 kg of space dust per year, it would take 6/40E(18-6) years to do that - or about 150 billion years, which is 22 times longer than the earth has existed.
Sorry, Dave, but the bible story is only believable to a faith based thinker unencumbered by evidence or reason.
Back of napkin numbers, huh?

The solar wind blows away more than it adds? Be advised gravity is what holds that hydrogen and helium here. They will not wander off on their own. They would also have to escape the magnetosphere the same as incoming is affected by it. The sun and earth magnetic fields do connect every few minutes that bypasses that block inward.

Look up changes in orbital distance. You will see different ideas and nothing concrete. But the simple fact is a lighter earth will have to slow down to maintain its distance, a heavier will be drawn in or speed up to maintain that distance based upon gravity. I have posted before about alternative methods.

The earth is getting larger. That mass and energy is being caught in the very energetic swirl that we are.

I made a few posts about how your simple minded view of the physics won't work. Be sure to read the ones about average elevation and tides.
LCNLin

Marietta, GA

#181824 Oct 29, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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No proof of god failure.
“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181825 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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There is roughly 1,260,000,000,000,000,000,000 litres of water on earth comprising fresh water (rivers, lakes etc), sea water, water frozen in ice caps, underground water in aquifers, clouds, humidity etc. It is logical to assume given the influx of debris from space that amount has slightly increased since the times of mythology.
The mantle and much of the crust is too hot to contain water. The thermal gradient of earth is around 25 degrees C per km. Obviously something you have not considered from the factual standpoint.
The low average elevation you specify of course means that a considerable volume of additional water would be required to cover the highest mountain, this statement is obviously something else you have not really though about. My estimate of 80 times more water needed than exists is based on average land elevation being about 1/3 of maximum height. I.e. Volume of earth at sea level subtracted from the volume of earth from 15 cubits (30 ft) above Everest the result arbitrarily divided by 2/3 to give 100,800,000,000,000,000,000,00 0 litres. But of course if you want to say a tenth or twentieth for a lower average elevation then that number only gets considerably bigger and even more implausible.
Not mine, everyone can have a bit. Massive flooding is happening locally but NOT on a world scale to mountain depth.
Note : For Noah’s flood to have happened as described in the babble then over 9 metres of water per hour would have to gall on every square millimetre on earth for a sustained 40 days.
Remember water is self levelling.
Water is individual molecules. Pools of water exist only because of temperature or confinement. Those molecules react with other chemicals to produce compounds. Water will exist within rocks as part of that rock. You have a lot of water that has been caught in the cycling of the crust and mantle.

You do not need to create an ocean to cover Everest to flood the world. The average land elevation today is 2750 feet. All you need is an elevation of sea level and water in motion such as in tidal forces. Your global warming predictions are based upon that of just centimeters. I posted about that.

Be advised one more time about the fact that if such event did occur we got the account from the survivors who had an extremely limited view of the outside activities. The whole world may have looked like it was underwater from their observation point. I am not aware that it was God himself that wrote the description.

Lovey, your mind is too simple to grasp complex events, or it is too lazy to analyze them and relies on the assurances of others.
LCNLin

Marietta, GA

#181826 Oct 29, 2013
"I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin.

Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us.

Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181827 Oct 29, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Lol, I guess it's true: "The older you get, the better you were!"
That, folks was another Dave's World fantasy a.k.a. looney toon ;0)
The first rehab of the Crown oil refinery in Pasadena, TX in 25 years. 1976. The cracking tower was 150 feet. Very, very oily and greasy. Temp job I had after getting out of the Army. Very scary place to work. A collection of drunks, druggies, ex-cons, girlfriends and boyfriends, and guys like me in desperate need of work assembled by a contracting company to do that job. They were the low bidders. I walked off the job after a couple of weeks and two weeks before bonus time. After a drug crazed crane operator tried to sweep a bunch of us off an area with a large pipe hanging from the crane. And it taking several minutes for the supervisors to realize something was wrong and stopped him. I had a 5 year old son in a strange town. I didn't need the money that bad.

You have very large nuts and bolts on those valves they used. You use a large steel wrench with a big block of steel on the end you hit with a 12 pound sledge to loosen or tighten. Standing on ooze on pipes or steel grating high above the ground. The cracking tower was dome shaped. No place to stand.

I was a lightweight guy, but very strong. Pure muscle and electrical energy. 135 pounds, 5'8"x8". Still am, but don't have the stamina anymore. Plus a tad more belly than then, and hairy ears.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#181828 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Water is individual molecules. Pools of water exist only because of temperature or confinement. Those molecules react with other chemicals to produce compounds. Water will exist within rocks as part of that rock. You have a lot of water that has been caught in the cycling of the crust and mantle.
You do not need to create an ocean to cover Everest to flood the world. The average land elevation today is 2750 feet. All you need is an elevation of sea level and water in motion such as in tidal forces. Your global warming predictions are based upon that of just centimeters. I posted about that.
Be advised one more time about the fact that if such event did occur we got the account from the survivors who had an extremely limited view of the outside activities. The whole world may have looked like it was underwater from their observation point. I am not aware that it was God himself that wrote the description.
Lovey, your mind is too simple to grasp complex events, or it is too lazy to analyze them and relies on the assurances of others.
Temperature! Depth! Magic!

So you are saying that all this trapped water came to the surface and multiplied by at5 least 80 fold at the rate of 9 metres per hour for 40 days and 40 night around the entire earth? Then over the next year is slowly magiced it’s was back to original size and of course left no trace of it’s passing?

The babble is specific at 15 cubits above the highest land, no averages involved but if you feel the need to fall on apologetics to apologise for the errors in the babble that’s fine by me.

And who cares what you posted, following you normal routine you would not have provided a citation or references. But the babble claims what amounts to almost 9000 metres deep around the entire world, not a few centimetres in a wave, you cannot compare a local wave with a world wide genocidal event.

Be advised that if such an event did occur there would be geological evidence, there isn’t.

Be advised that if such an event did occur then the DNA record would indicate such, it doesn’t.

Be advised that if such an event did occur the fossil record would indicate such, it doesn’t.

Be advised that if such an event did occur animal diversity would indicate such, it doesn’t

I did not write the babble, I am not the one claiming world flood

What fooking complex events you moron? DID NOT HAPPEN, no event to analyse however unlike you I have actually been bothered to analyse what the babble claims happened and shown to my own satisfaction that the bronze age authors of such mythology were, just like you, talking total testicles.

You can of course continue with you deliberately ignorant apologetics excuses but that will make not the slightest different to FACT.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#181829 Oct 29, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
"I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin.
Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us.
Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Here is a link to the actual speech, not just the extract you chose to cherry pick

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181830 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Temperature! Depth! Magic!
So you are saying that all this trapped water came to the surface and multiplied by at5 least 80 fold at the rate of 9 metres per hour for 40 days and 40 night around the entire earth? Then over the next year is slowly magiced it’s was back to original size and of course left no trace of it’s passing?
The babble is specific at 15 cubits above the highest land, no averages involved but if you feel the need to fall on apologetics to apologise for the errors in the babble that’s fine by me.
And who cares what you posted, following you normal routine you would not have provided a citation or references. But the babble claims what amounts to almost 9000 metres deep around the entire world, not a few centimetres in a wave, you cannot compare a local wave with a world wide genocidal event.
Be advised that if such an event did occur there would be geological evidence, there isn’t.
Be advised that if such an event did occur then the DNA record would indicate such, it doesn’t.
Be advised that if such an event did occur the fossil record would indicate such, it doesn’t.
Be advised that if such an event did occur animal diversity would indicate such, it doesn’t
I did not write the babble, I am not the one claiming world flood
What fooking complex events you moron? DID NOT HAPPEN, no event to analyse however unlike you I have actually been bothered to analyse what the babble claims happened and shown to my own satisfaction that the bronze age authors of such mythology were, just like you, talking total testicles.
You can of course continue with you deliberately ignorant apologetics excuses but that will make not the slightest different to FACT.
Highest land in view.

God didn't write the book, the survivors did. That will be three times I have pointed that out.

We can dissect and analyze the hell out of science theories and applications, too, sweetness. Apply yourself to doing that and you may be surprised. But you choose to stay in that church as an alternative to the one you left.

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181831 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Temperature! Depth! Magic!
So you are saying that all this trapped water came to the surface and multiplied by at5 least 80 fold at the rate of 9 metres per hour for 40 days and 40 night around the entire earth? Then over the next year is slowly magiced it’s was back to original size and of course left no trace of it’s passing?
The babble is specific at 15 cubits above the highest land, no averages involved but if you feel the need to fall on apologetics to apologise for the errors in the babble that’s fine by me.
And who cares what you posted, following you normal routine you would not have provided a citation or references. But the babble claims what amounts to almost 9000 metres deep around the entire world, not a few centimetres in a wave, you cannot compare a local wave with a world wide genocidal event.
Be advised that if such an event did occur there would be geological evidence, there isn’t.
Be advised that if such an event did occur then the DNA record would indicate such, it doesn’t.
Be advised that if such an event did occur the fossil record would indicate such, it doesn’t.
Be advised that if such an event did occur animal diversity would indicate such, it doesn’t
I did not write the babble, I am not the one claiming world flood
What fooking complex events you moron? DID NOT HAPPEN, no event to analyse however unlike you I have actually been bothered to analyse what the babble claims happened and shown to my own satisfaction that the bronze age authors of such mythology were, just like you, talking total testicles.
You can of course continue with you deliberately ignorant apologetics excuses but that will make not the slightest different to FACT.
Oh. I mentioned driving across an area of Turkey that was around an elevation of 1000 foot, or more, that was extremely jagged and could only have been produced by a flood. The glaciers didn't reach that far south.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#181832 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Highest land in view.
God didn't write the book, the survivors did. That will be three times I have pointed that out.
We can dissect and analyze the hell out of science theories and applications, too, sweetness. Apply yourself to doing that and you may be surprised. But you choose to stay in that church as an alternative to the one you left.
Who said on view? Oh you did, certainly not the babble

Who said a god wrote the book? Certainly not me, there is no god yo write anything and I do not contradict myself with such irrelevancies.

And DNA says survivors didn’t write the book. That will be several hundred times I have pointed that out

The geological evidence says survivors didn’t write the book. That will be several hundred times I have pointed that out

The fossil evidence says survivors didn’t write the book. That will be several hundred times I have pointed that out

Say what? Injecting to much anti anything not godbot juice again? Your sick minded hayred is noted and catalogued as an aspect of your faith.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181833 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way, most mountians are coverd in H2O, in the form of snow. You need to get out more Doctor.
You're not even good at being deceitful, and dishonest. Your friggin holy book had no idea that snow was composed of H2O, so when it said covered by water it meant WATER, not f--king SNOW. You continue to twist and turn like every other deceitful dishonest Godbot. You seem to be getting more stupid in your old age, is that even possible???

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#181834 Oct 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
That picture is 100% bullsh7t. The bible does not mention either item-- since they are **critical** to the ark's success? They would've been mentioned.
But it does not solve the fact that the ark, as described, would have sunk within 30 minutes due to leaks.
I wouldn't give it that long.

I spent quite a while bouncing around on the North Atlantic. Wooden hulls. Commercial trawlers.

The Ark would have broken apart before it ever floated.

At best, it would've been Noah's Pier.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181835 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, you know a lot, and you think it’s impossible to have H2O covering a mountain top. Let’s see, what’s on top of Mt McKinley?
According to you it’s a dry desert. It’s impossible for water to be covering a mountain top?
It’s called snow, H20, One hydrogen and two oxygen molecules. Water in the frozen form.
I hope you are much better at music then you are in science and engineering. The last I heard, wood floats in most cases. Tons of it was floated down rivers all over America for over a hundred years to get to saw mills.
Let’s see a Ark made of wood is not like a Ark made of concrete. I bet since wood floats there’s a good chance a Ark made out of wood will float.
I’m really not trying to make you look bad Doctor. You’re doing a good job of that all by yourself.
Come on old man, you can't be this stupid. Are you saying no wooden boat has ever sunk? Is that your argument? The Ark was made of wood so it was unsinkable? Holy shit. Just so you people will stop laughing at you, do a quick google search on how many wooden boats have sunk, it's a VERY LOING LIST, Whatafuckingdope!!!!!!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#181836 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh. I mentioned driving across an area of Turkey that was around an elevation of 1000 foot, or more, that was extremely jagged and could only have been produced by a flood. The glaciers didn't reach that far south.
Ehm, Only?

Certainly the Asian side of bosphorus was originally under the ocean before the Asian and Europe continents collided so water formed landmass would be apparent. However foods do not cause that kind of damage you describe, flood damage is smoothed, often flowing but not jagged. The Asian and European plates are colliding there. The action of colliding continents does not leave a nice smooth terrain for you to admire, just ask Everest how much deformation of the surrounding land can occur.

You may also be aware that Turkey is in an earthquake zone? A possibility?

Oh yes and Turkey was on the southern edge of the ice sheet, the mountains of Turkey and Iran were capped by local ice fields or small ice sheets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_per...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181837 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, you know a lot, and you think it’s impossible to have H2O covering a mountain top. Let’s see, what’s on top of Mt McKinley?
According to you it’s a dry desert. It’s impossible for water to be covering a mountain top?
It’s called snow, H20, One hydrogen and two oxygen molecules. Water in the frozen form.
I hope you are much better at music then you are in science and engineering. The last I heard, wood floats in most cases. Tons of it was floated down rivers all over America for over a hundred years to get to saw mills.
Let’s see a Ark made of wood is not like a Ark made of concrete. I bet since wood floats there’s a good chance a Ark made out of wood will float.
I’m really not trying to make you look bad Doctor. You’re doing a good job of that all by yourself.
Here I did your homework for your lazy ass. This is a partial list ALL WOODEN BOATS

Longest known wooden ships[edit]

This transport-related list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Length Beam Name Service Current status Comment
55 m
(180 ft) 9.1 m
(30 ft) Bounty 1960–2012 sunk in Hurricane Sandy An enlargement of HMAV Bounty which was scuttled by mutineers; built by MGM for the movie Mutiny on the Bounty.
54.71 m
(179 ft 6 in) 9.8 m
(32 ft) HMS Surprise 1970 museum ship Originally commissioned and operated as a sail training ship, HMS Rose was renamed Surprise for her part in the movie Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. She was sold to the Maritime Museum of San Diego in 2007. She again appeared on film as HMS Providence in the Disney film Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides.
47.5 m
(155.8 ft) 11.7 m Vasa 1628–1628 museum ship
This Swedish warship sunk on its maiden voyage when a gale forced water onto the ship, it fell over on its port side and sank.[1] Her sparred length is estimated at 69 meters, but her measured deck length (between perpendiculars) is 47.5 meters (155.8 ft).[2]
48 m
(162 ft) 13.5 metres (45.5 ft) Mars 1564 sunk after battle A Swedish warship with 107 guns, that sunk after the battle known as Action of 30 May 1564 of the Northern Seven Years' War. Wreck possibly relocated in 2011.[3] A possible sparred length has been estimated by divers as 80 meters.
51 m
(167.3 ft) 12 m Peter von Danzig Before 1462 – late 1470s wrecked A Hanseatic League caravel, built in the French Atlantic port town La Rochelle, and the first large vessel in the Baltic Sea with carvel planking.[4]
58.3 m
(191.2 ft) 16.0 m
(52.5 ft) HMS St Lawrence 1814–1815 turned into a hulk then sunk Constructed in the Kingston Royal Naval Dockyard in Upper Canada during the War of 1812 to fight on the Great Lakes. After never seeing action it was decommissioned and became a storage hulk before sinking.
58.5 m
(191.9 ft) 11 m Götheborg 2003– operational This Swedish ship is 40.9 m (134.2 ft) long without the bowsprit, and a replica of the original that sank off Göteborg in 1745.
61.3 m
(201.1 ft) 16.2 m Santísima Trinidad 1769–1805 sunk after battle One of the few four-deckers ever built. 136 guns.[5]

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181838 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said on view? Oh you did, certainly not the babble
Who said a god wrote the book? Certainly not me, there is no god yo write anything and I do not contradict myself with such irrelevancies.
And DNA says survivors didn’t write the book. That will be several hundred times I have pointed that out
The geological evidence says survivors didn’t write the book. That will be several hundred times I have pointed that out
The fossil evidence says survivors didn’t write the book. That will be several hundred times I have pointed that out
Say what? Injecting to much anti anything not godbot juice again? Your sick minded hayred is noted and catalogued as an aspect of your faith.
Lovey dovey, you are getting emotional.

Let's get rational and analytical.

At this time you are assuming a linear progression of evolution and man's history. You have the DNA and fossil stuff. You believe the Adam and Eve of our present DNA have been found. And quite the many years apart. Apparently they weren't shacking up. It was just a crossing of lines. Admittedly there is discussion about the length of time between. But it does appear Eve was first.

http://www.nature.com/news/genetic-adam-and-e...

Now keep that in mind.

The Biblical story is Adam was made, then Eve was made from Adam. Then their offspring mated with women from someplace else. So you have a crossing of genes there that proceeded to Noah. Noah had a direct link back to Adam, as did his children and wives assumedly. Now, everyone else got erased, so those 8 people became seed stock for the man of today. This can cause the disparity in those DNA Adams and Eves. The landscape also had a serious rearrangement which would also have a serious effect on the plant life that existed, changing the ecological and evolutionary equations. The gene pool for land based animals was carried on the ark. It is quite conceivable that various creatures such as insects or those that could survive water would have survived the flood, preserving their gene pools.

There was a mass extinction event and this world is the result of it. A big reset of geological and life progression and evolutionary adaptation. I believe there is scientific evidence of such happening in our distant past.

Remarkable myth, eh?

Put things, including ancient texts, into perspective and evolve from there.

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