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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181654 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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For the third time the Bible doesn’t list a date of Noah’s flood. Genealogy is listed.
Despite what you believe is impossible. The entire Earth must have been covered up in water at one time because there are marine fossils on mountain tops. I’m not claiming that was from Noah’s flood. I’m just saying water covered the earth at one time or most of it.
Even at the top of the Grand Canyon’s South Rim is evidence of marine fossils.
I have stated many times that Noah’s flood was massive and encompassed thousands of square miles. We see floods like that even today in the United States. Did it cover the entire global earth? Probably not but it did cover the earth where people lived. So the Earth as they knew it flooded.
Now why would you try to make us believe that a flood could not happen in Noah’s day when floods happen today in our time?
Apparently those at the creation museum disagree with you on the entire earth being covered during the Noah flood.

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Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah’s time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of “billions of years” of Earth history.
But look at the problems this concept involves:
If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.
If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.
If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1
If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.
If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 meters) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn’t rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2
If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God’s judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of “all” men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah’s day means a partial judgment to come.
If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181655 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
For the third time the Bible doesn’t list a date of Noah’s flood. Genealogy is listed.
Despite what you believe is impossible. The entire Earth must have been covered up in water at one time because there are marine fossils on mountain tops. I’m not claiming that was from Noah’s flood. I’m just saying water covered the earth at one time or most of it.
Even at the top of the Grand Canyon’s South Rim is evidence of marine fossils.
I have stated many times that Noah’s flood was massive and encompassed thousands of square miles. We see floods like that even today in the United States. Did it cover the entire global earth? Probably not but it did cover the earth where people lived. So the Earth as they knew it flooded.
Now why would you try to make us believe that a flood could not happen in Noah’s day when floods happen today in our time?
The date seems pretty clear here in Genesis 6-11, Don't you believe your own holy book?

Noah’s Ark and The Flood: Genesis Chapters 6-11

The events of The Flood and Noah’s Ark begin with the Death of Methuselah on Friday September 13 – Tishri 1 in 2458 BC (BR). Noah’s Family enters the Ark 47 days after the death of Methuselah’s on Wednesday October 30 – Heshvan 10 in 2458 BC (BR). This same day on the Gregorian-Hebrew Solar Calendar (GH) is Wednesday March 19 – Adar 29, 2449 BC. Genesis 7:11-12 tells us that 7 Days later, on Wednesday November 6 – Heshvan 17, it began to rain “for forty days and forty nights.”

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#181656 Oct 28, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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IBM assisted Nazi germany in World War II
...!
Respectfully, I think this statement is slightly askew and an over simplification. A business arrangement that side-stepped usual business protocols and new IBM factory in Germany, one could argue, were about all IBM assisted in. The usage of the technology by the Nazis to track and cross reference its own people (Jews and otherwise) was not an IBM activity.
Also note, the United States business with IBM during this same time period dwarfed the arrangements IBM made with Germany. Why not claim the IBM was assiting the US?

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#181657 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>It has bee estimated that it would take 3.5 billion cubic MILES of EXTRA water to cover the planet to the extent that is portrayed in the bible. Where all this extra water came from and where it went is usually avoided by the Godbots. I do believe that Dave thinks the planet flew through a giant celestial rain cloud, of course that doesn't account for where all that water disappeared to.
Well, isn't the answer obvious? I mean if one assumes there was an all-powerful God behind the curtain during the flood then clearly he could simply make all the water vanish. After all, being all-powerful lets you do that kind of stuff.

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#181658 Oct 28, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Lungs would have burst from the atmospheric pressure increase with that much water added to our earth, Dave.
Unless of course an all-powerful god was influencing things...

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#181659 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Germany was duped by a mad man. A zealot that was able to persuade millions with his radical speeches. From the bowels of Austria, he came forth....
Yeah, and one hell of a charismatic one at that. Imagine a fired-up charismatic Ronald Regan who also was warped in the head - that was Hitler.
LCNlin

Marietta, GA

#181660 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> Apparently those at the creation museum disagree with you on the entire earth being covered during the Noah flood.
creation-magazine noahs-ark the-flood
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Many Christians today

think the Flood of Noah’s time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of “billions of years” of Earth history.
But look at the problems this concept involves:
If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.
If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.
If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1
If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.
If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 meters) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn’t rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2
If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God’s judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of “all” men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah’s day means a partial judgment to come.
If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.
"Many Christians today"
Straw-Man Fallacy
LOL

post on :-)

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Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#181661 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> Apparently those at the creation museum disagree with you on the entire earth being covered during the Noah flood.
creation-magazine noahs-ark the-flood
Featured In
Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah’s time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of “billions of years” of Earth history.
But look at the problems this concept involves:
If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.
If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.
If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1
If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.
If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 meters) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn’t rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2
If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God’s judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of “all” men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah’s day means a partial judgment to come.
If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.
Even if the every land mass has been under water at some time that doesn't mean it was at the same time.
Also, using parts of the bible to prove itself is inherently a bad idea.
LCNlin

Marietta, GA

#181662 Oct 28, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and one hell of a charismatic one at that. Imagine a fired-up charismatic Ronald Regan who also was warped in the head - that was Hitler.
Hitler Quotes

“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6

“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394

“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 418

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#181663 Oct 28, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler Quotes
“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61
“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61
“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 6
“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145
“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 394
“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.”-Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 418
Hmmm, what exactly is your point?

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Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#181664 Oct 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the calculations behind what you say are a little too simple for the dynamics that occurred. True, you had more mass per square inch exerting downward pressure from where the vapor condensed, but that was mass in motion and the vapor formation creates a relative vacuum above it. You have updrafts and such with just air created by those dynamics of changing densities. In the end it could expand the atmosphere due to those masses in motion displacing lighter air away from the planet. It wouldn't be simple buoyancy. Some very complicated physical relationships involved. That needs to be studied in much greater detail to assume such would occur.
No, no, no, word salad with "mysterious force dressing" is not a response, Dave.

Atmospheric pressure is atmospheric pressure and if the entire world, within a 40 day period, or a year, gained 3-5 miles in diameter of water, we would be toast...ermmm...more like lifeless meat sacks.

The biblical deluge is a myth.

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Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#181665 Oct 28, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, isn't the answer obvious? I mean if one assumes there was an all-powerful God behind the curtain during the flood then clearly he could simply make all the water vanish. After all, being all-powerful lets you do that kind of stuff.
Maybe it was an all powerful mouse, or maybe an all powerful Flazatham.

If you're gonna assume an entity with magical or supernatural powers did something like what you're suggesting it can be anything.

Make it a supernatural mule that pulls the earth and created a "holy" pasture.

Put wings on that mule and call it Delroy. Del for short.

You could even just say "magic did it" and not even assign a "creature" or entity as being responsible for the process and just assume that's the way it is.

Magic steps in when "supernaturalists" assume something they want to believe is behind the things about their mythology that doesn't make sense.

Praise Del.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#181667 Oct 28, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless of course an all-powerful god was influencing things...
PANGU! is dead, there are no other gods.

Praise Del the magical mule.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181668 Oct 28, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
PANGU! is dead, there are no other gods.
Praise Del the magical mule.
"Ha, My God Crom. laughs at your God."

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#181669 Oct 28, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe it was an all powerful mouse, or maybe an all powerful Flazatham.
If you're gonna assume an entity with magical or supernatural powers did something like what you're suggesting it can be anything.
Make it a supernatural mule that pulls the earth and created a "holy" pasture.
Put wings on that mule and call it Delroy. Del for short.
You could even just say "magic did it" and not even assign a "creature" or entity as being responsible for the process and just assume that's the way it is.
Magic steps in when "supernaturalists" assume something they want to believe is behind the things about their mythology that doesn't make sense.
Praise Del.
.
You completely missed the point.
.
I am not saying I believe in anything.... but one is stupid to ask "If an all-powerful God flooded the world, where did the water go?" It is a stupid question because the obvious answer is "The same said all-powerful god made the water vanish without a trace."

I am pretty sure you essentially asked the 'what happened to the water' question....

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#181670 Oct 28, 2013
Oops, sorry scaritual
I see that it was blacklagoon who asked what happened to the water. Not you (although you rallied to his defense it seems by your response to what I posted).
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#181671 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> Apparently those at the creation museum disagree with you on the entire earth being covered during the Noah flood.
creation-magazine noahs-ark the-flood
Featured In
Many Christians today think the Flood of Noah’s time was only a local flood, confined to somewhere around Mesopotamia. This idea comes not from Scripture, but from the notion of “billions of years” of Earth history.
But look at the problems this concept involves:
If the Flood was local, why did Noah have to build an Ark? He could have walked to the other side of the mountains and missed it.
If the Flood was local, why did God send the animals to the Ark so they would escape death? There would have been other animals to reproduce that kind if these particular ones had died.
If the Flood was local, why was the Ark big enough to hold all kinds of land vertebrate animals that have ever existed? If only Mesopotamian animals were aboard, the Ark could have been much smaller.1
If the Flood was local, why would birds have been sent on board? These could simply have winged across to a nearby mountain range.
If the Flood was local, how could the waters rise to 15 cubits (8 meters) above the mountains (Genesis 7:20)? Water seeks its own level. It couldn’t rise to cover the local mountains while leaving the rest of the world untouched.2
If the Flood was local, people who did not happen to be living in the vicinity would not be affected by it. They would have escaped God’s judgment on sin.3 If this happened, what did Christ mean when He likened the coming judgment of all men to the judgment of “all” men (Matthew 24:37–39) in the days of Noah? A partial judgment in Noah’s day means a partial judgment to come.
If the Flood was local, God would have repeatedly broken His promise never to send such a flood again.
Ditch the 1940’s interpretation Doctor. This is 2013.

Genisis 7:

20.“Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.”

Now did it say the “tops” of the mountains were covered?

NO it doesn’t. That is your insinuation from the old days of the 1940’s.

That measurement is about 28 feet and the would be enough water to cover the base of the mountains in the area.

And mountainous areas can flood. Just ask the Coloradans.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#181672 Oct 28, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and one hell of a charismatic one at that. Imagine a fired-up charismatic Ronald Regan who also was warped in the head - that was Hitler.
Correct me here if I'm wrong but President Ronald Regan didn't have six million Jews murdered. He wasn't no where close to Hitler.

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Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#181673 Oct 28, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
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You completely missed the point.
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I am not saying I believe in anything.... but one is stupid to ask "If an all-powerful God flooded the world, where did the water go?" It is a stupid question because the obvious answer is "The same said all-powerful god made the water vanish without a trace."
I am pretty sure you essentially asked the 'what happened to the water' question....
I don't think I did. I commented to The Dave Nelson that if the earth were covered with the volume of water it'd take to cover mountains etc..., our lungs would burst from the increase in atmospheric pressure.

Then he came back with jabberwocky sumthin' sumthin'.

But yeah, I get what you're saying, within magical thinking you can claim anything.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#181674 Oct 28, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
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You completely missed the point.
.
I am not saying I believe in anything.... but one is stupid to ask "If an all-powerful God flooded the world, where did the water go?" It is a stupid question because the obvious answer is "The same said all-powerful god made the water vanish without a trace."
I am pretty sure you essentially asked the 'what happened to the water' question....
It floods today when it rains, hurricanes and when Tsunamis occur.

It floods in low lands and mountainous regions too.

A global flood I don’t buy into but massive flooding has occurred at the same time in different regions of the world. And a massive flood can entail thousands upon thousands of square miles. These things happen in today’s world.

Why wouldn’t they occur in the past?

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