Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181069 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I know what atheism is about. I was raised with an Atheist father. And he was hard core Atheist.
I’m just telling you Atheism requires belief in what is not known. When we delve into the very beginning of all life. The trigger mechanism that started it all. The complexity of DNA and RNA strands to make advance life forms.
Atheist don’t know but accept that it happened. Creation of life from a sterile environment all by itself. It’s never been done by science. That should tell you that’s it’s not easy to do. Because it has never ever happened all on its own.
It seems as every time you open your mouth, blatant ignorance spews forth. "Creation of life from a *sterile* environment." What? Where did you ever hear such a thing, that the Early earth had a *sterile* environment, a creationists web site? Here's your *sterile* environment.(A-I) the primordial atmosphere made up of ammonia, methane, water vapor, and even some quantities of hydrogen. Add some energy from the heat of numerous volcanos, the heat and ionizing power of lightning, the intense radiation of radioactive atoms, and the steady radiation of the sun. Add to that the very energetic component of sunlight, ultraviolet radiation. Indeed experiments have specifically SHOWN that ultraviolet light is energetic enough to INTERACT with chemicals of the primordial atmosphere and set the off on their march toward life. Sterile atmosphere..........I told you before, quit reading shit from creationists, it will rot your brain!!!!!!

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#181070 Oct 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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...
But not your god, huh? "Shit# like gods "happening" uncreated and without cause are just fine with you, right?
Funny how godbots always forget about one tiny aspects of the whole process – time.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#181071 Oct 23, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Funny how godbots always forget about one tiny aspects of the whole process – time.
Well according to some godbots, it all took place in six days and nothing has changed since.

No religion has ever failed by underestimating the intelligence and gullibility of humans.
LCNLin

United States

#181072 Oct 23, 2013
- In the News -

The Vatican has suspended a senior German Church leader dubbed the "bishop of bling" by the media over his alleged lavish spending.

Bishop of Limburg Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst is accused of spending more than 31m euros (£26m; $42m) on renovating his official residence.

The Vatican said it deemed "appropriate... a period of leave from the diocese" for the bishop.

The suspension comes two days after he met the Pope to discuss the matter.

"A situation has been created in which the bishop can no longer exercise his episcopal duties", a Vatican statement said.

It said a Church commission would rule on the matter, but did not say where Bishop Tebartz-van Elst, 53, would go or what he would do while the inquiry was held.

The head of Germany's main lay Catholic group, the Central Committee of German Catholics, Alois Glueck, welcomed the Vatican's decision.

When Bishop Tebartz-van Elst flew into Rome last week it was reportedly on a Ryanair flight. Budget travel is perhaps not quite the style of the "bishop of bling", but it was more appropriate given his mission.

He was here to explain to the Pope his $42m palace renovation job. And waiting for that meeting cannot have been comfortable. Would the Pope mention the bishop's $20,000 bathtub? Or the $34,000 conference table?

Everybody knows that building projects can get, well, out of hand. But of all the popes, Francis was least likely to be sympathetic.

At the centre of his message has been the need for the Church to connect to the poor and the deprived. Francis has criticised clerics who live too lavishly. He has told them not to live "like princes", and he has himself chosen to stay in a Vatican guest house rather than move into the very much grander papal apartment.

He said: "Pope Francis's decision offers the chance of a first step toward a new beginning in the Limburg diocese, because the situation has become an increasing burden for the faithful there, and in all of Germany, over recent weeks."
LCNLin

United States

#181074 Oct 23, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Funny how godbots always forget about one tiny aspects of the whole process – time.
Science is silent on atheism
LCNLin

United States

#181075 Oct 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That's amusement, not jealousy.
Trust me.
Bob Posts a lot
and is very much into
"BoB"
end of story
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181076 Oct 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Of course he's a MYTH, he fits the definition perfectly......MYTH.."A traditional stroy concerning early history of a people or explaining some natural of social phenomenon and typically involving a SUPERNATURAL BEING of event. A perfect example of God.
A real engineer and designer you say?......I'd more likely call him a hack. He gave the bird of prey the superior eyes sight, the canines the superior sense of smell, the felines excellent night vision, turtles a hard shell for protection, we slip and fall we can be killed, great design eh? He gave the whales and dolphins one hole to breath from and one to eat, he gave us one, so thousands of us can choke to death eating, great design eh?
Of course there is NO grand designer, all the animals I mention got those advantages through evolution.
My goodness Doctor, you are all worked up in a frothing fuming response. It’s ok Doctor, don’t take it so personal. I can’t help it there’s hardly any transitional fossils for mankind. But you have something to be really proud about.
Evolution has some of the best artist in the world.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181077 Oct 23, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>It seems as every time you open your mouth, blatant ignorance spews forth. "Creation of life from a *sterile* environment." What? Where did you ever hear such a thing, that the Early earth had a *sterile* environment, a creationists web site? Here's your *sterile* environment.(A-I) the primordial atmosphere made up of ammonia, methane, water vapor, and even some quantities of hydrogen. Add some energy from the heat of numerous volcanos, the heat and ionizing power of lightning, the intense radiation of radioactive atoms, and the steady radiation of the sun. Add to that the very energetic component of sunlight, ultraviolet radiation. Indeed experiments have specifically SHOWN that ultraviolet light is energetic enough to INTERACT with chemicals of the primordial atmosphere and set the off on their march toward life. Sterile atmosphere..........I told you before, quit reading shit from creationists, it will rot your brain!!!!!!
It’s so easy science has not been able to reproduce genesis. Oh as far as ammonia, nothing can live in ammonia. Ever notice where a dog urinates? It kills the grass. Have you ever had a fish tank?

Guess what happens when the water is not replenished with fresh water? The ammonia kills the tank. By the way where did these elements come from? They just appeared?

You believe in self creation Doctor. It has not been reproduced in a lab anywhere in the world. Can you please explain.

Where did the elements come from?

How do you account ammonia NH3 kills biological growth?

DNA or RNA is necessary for cell growth & division. How did the strands self construct this complicated information arrangement all on it’s own

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#181078 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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My goodness Doctor, you are all worked up in a frothing fuming response. It’s ok Doctor, don’t take it so personal. I can’t help it there’s hardly any transitional fossils for mankind. But you have something to be really proud about.
Evolution has some of the best artist in the world.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Evolution has some of the best artist in the world.
Yes. You hardly ever see them paint a blue eyed, blond haired middle eastern man holding a lamb, do you?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181079 Oct 23, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Well according to some godbots, it all took place in six days and nothing has changed since.
No religion has ever failed by underestimating the intelligence and gullibility of humans.
The six days are actually the six stages in creation. And each day could have been billions of years. Gods work day is not equal to mans day. The thought that creation was performed in six human days is the old 1950's thinking. You are about 63 years behind in what modern day Christians believe.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181080 Oct 23, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Yes. You hardly ever see them paint a blue eyed, blond haired middle eastern man holding a lamb, do you?
If you paid them they would. Ever heard the term, "starving artist?"
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#181081 Oct 23, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Funny how godbots always forget about one tiny aspects of the whole process – time.
Perhaps true of the 1950's Christian perception. But a lot has changed since then. Time

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#181083 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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The six days are actually the six stages in creation. And each day could have been billions of years. Gods work day is not equal to mans day. The thought that creation was performed in six human days is the old 1950's thinking. You are about 63 years behind in what modern day Christians believe.
Why do the Christians change their views like that?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181085 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Even in this very modern and advanced scientific age. Scientist don’t have anything but hunches
That's simply incorrect.
Eagle 12 wrote:
they call it theories.
If you don't know what a scientific theory is, then you don't have the background to make a meaningful contribution to a serious discussion about science.

There are two kinds of people that I don't take minority scientific opinions from:

[1] People that aren't acknowledged by as experts in good standing in the relevant scientific field by their peers.

[2] People with a pro-faith, anti-science agenda. Their purpose is not the same as mine, and their values conflict with mine.
Eagle 12 wrote:
Which points to the blind faith Atheist have. They don’t know how it happened but just accept it happened.
It boggles the mind to see faith based thinkers offering such arguments.

“I always flinch in embarrassment for the believer who trots out,“Atheism is just another kind of faith,” because it’s a tacit admission that taking claims on faith is a silly thing to do. When you’ve succumbed to arguing that the opposition is just as misguided as you are, it’s time to take a step back and rethink your attitudes.”- Amanda Marcotte

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181086 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
No scientific experiment has been able to create life from a sterile lifeless environment.
Why is that relevant? Have you concluded that it cannot happen because it hasn't yet? If so, that obvious error would be further evidence that you really aren't trying to do what the scientists are trying to do, which is to discover what actually happened and how.

You have already chosen a faith based answer, which I'm sure meets your psychological needs, but that would only be meaningful for you and of little interest or value to rational skeptics.

Besides, what do you care about evidence? You don't require it to support your beliefs, nor can evidence modify them. For example, if you're honest with yourself, you'll admit that if they synthesized a cell de novo from organic chemicals that it wouldn't phase you or diminish the intensity of your faith based beliefs a whit. So why are you pretending that such things matter to you, or that your decisions might be affected by that evidence were it ready to offer you in 2013?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181087 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Now if you are talking about the evolution of mankind. No one can deny that knowledge has been an evolutionary process for man.
There you go again - confusing and conflating basic concepts. We're talking about the biological evolution of species, not cultural evolution.

These are reasonable mistakes for most people to make, but not for somebody arguing against the experts in the fields. The scientists disagree with you, and nobody else gets a vote - not you, and not me.

Although it doesn't, the entire Christian church could reject the pronouncements of the scientific community in support of their faith based choices, but it wouldn't change a thing in the scientific community, nor among those of us who trust their methods and motives more than those of faith based thinkers.

Just look at the track record of the scientists and that of the priests. Which are capable of explaining, predicting and in some cases controlling nature?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181088 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
But evolution of mankind as saying we mutated from apes. It takes a wild imagination, artist conceptions, and a hell of a lot of speculation.
Nope. It takes an open mind and an education. Human chromosome 2 is the smoking gun for that issue. The issue is considered settled everywhere except churches.

If man didn't evolve from a common ancestral ape that spawned all the extant great apes, then he was created by a trickster god or alien race that wanted to make it look like he did. How does that sit with your theology? Is Jehovah-Jesus a deceptive god that wants to deceive men into believing that he doesn't exist? Did he seed the earth with fossils during the week of creation? Did he insert the endogenous retrovirus into our genome just so that in a few millennia we would find them, be deceived, disbelieve, and go to hell?

Does that sound like your god? If it does, then I'll concede that such a god remains a logical possibility however unlikely. If you say that your god would never do that - well, then it doesn't exist.
Thinking

UK

#181089 Oct 23, 2013
More backfilling creationist bullshit.

You lot don't half tie yourselves in knots trying to salvage *anything* from the bible.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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The six days are actually the six stages in creation. And each day could have been billions of years. Gods work day is not equal to mans day. The thought that creation was performed in six human days is the old 1950's thinking. You are about 63 years behind in what modern day Christians believe.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181090 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
My goodness Doctor, you are all worked up in a frothing fuming response. It’s ok Doctor, don’t take it so personal. I can’t help it there’s hardly any transitional fossils for mankind. But you have something to be really proud about.
Evolution has some of the best artist in the world.
Who ever told you that is simply lying to you, as do most creationists. Thats all they have are lies since evidence is not part of their beliefs. The transitional fossils exist but apparently you are to lazy to get off your sorry ass and discover them. You are content to remain a lazy ass and listen to creationist bullshit. I do feel sorry for your loss. Rejecting scientific facts is one of the most pitiful examples of religious mind poisoning. Once again, I am sorry for your loss, the loss of your possibly once intelligent mind.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181091 Oct 23, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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It’s so easy science has not been able to reproduce genesis. Oh as far as ammonia, nothing can live in ammonia. Ever notice where a dog urinates? It kills the grass. Have you ever had a fish tank?
Guess what happens when the water is not replenished with fresh water? The ammonia kills the tank. By the way where did these elements come from? They just appeared?
You believe in self creation Doctor. It has not been reproduced in a lab anywhere in the world. Can you please explain.
Where did the elements come from?
How do you account ammonia NH3 kills biological growth?
DNA or RNA is necessary for cell growth & division. How did the strands self construct this complicated information arrangement all on it’s own
I really can't help you with you ignorance, the best I can do is post factual information in hopes that you will begin to understand your ignorance.

To your misinformation about ammonia and that nothing can live in it. Nitrifying bacteria are classified as obligate chemolithotrophs, and must use inorganic salts as an energy source. They cannot use organic materials so they must oxidize AMMONIA and nitrate for their energy needs. They have become extremely efficient at converting AMMONIA and nitrate. In order for them to oxidize AMMONIA for their energy, they HAVE TO BE IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH AMMONIA. So your wrong about your ammonia killing life, these bacteria FRIGGIN EAT IT!!!

Further proof of your ignorance, farmer use AMMONIA in the fertilizer they use Ammonia help the crops grow not kill them You lose again pops.

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