Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I'm stumped, even with Google translate: There where you were, do what you saw. I'd guess it's similar to "Wherever you go, there you are."
Haz lo que vieras: Do what you see (others doing).

When in Rome....
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Dave Nelson wrote:
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It wasn't the weaponry in the hands of the Europeans that conquered the natives. It was the natives wanting to get their hands on those weapons to conquer their local enemies that did.
You're poor knowledge of history is appalling!
Please sell your "Encyclopedia Moronica".

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nothing you said above, refutes my observation about the evil nature of your ugly godling.
As such, I'll accept that you agree:
Seven Godly Sins
When god destroys people for not obeying him, it is WRATH
When god punishes people for believing in a different god, it is ENVY
When god lets tragedies and disasters happen of which he could have prevented, it is SLOTH
When god allows anyone to hunger unnecessarily while he has enough for himself, it is GLUTTONY
When god expects his followers to dedicate their lives to worrshipping and praying to him, it is PRIDE
When god insists his followers pay tithes and offerings for his approval, it is GREED
When god intends on being party to every marriage, it is LUST
You can't put thoughts in my head, as much as you try. That is how you see God, not I. It shows you do believe.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Why do you have to be so damn unlikable?
A mean spirit is what you have.
I bet you say that to everyone that doesn't agree with you, Catcher. Even little old ladies.

Then you will sue them, take their house and and social security checks, and then dump them on the street.

You will show them the price of not being righteous like you.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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The Empire was run by an evil Sith lord dictator, that must be why you like it.
No I don't like it, however it is better than atheism. You guys are like in the basement. Dead last place for pleasantries. Because Vader had a soul in the end he changed, Stalin had no soul, therefore.
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Not to brag, or advertise, but there IS a church where you will be welcomed, accepted and celebrated.
And the dress is informal.
How informal?

Two band aids and a cork?
What style of fig leaf is in this fall?

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Imhotep wrote:
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You're poor knowledge of history is appalling!
Please sell your "Encyclopedia Moronica".
I would say yours is sadly lacking in depth.

Yours consists of the topical buzzwords for the advancement of an idiotology.

You don't seem to understand real people.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Haz lo que vieras: Do what you see (others doing).
When in Rome....
A hah!!

I was right!

Usually am. Or something like that.

Pretty good comprehension and association skills, eh? Went strictly by IANS Google translation.

You should listen to me, Catcher.

You're an idiot.

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I_see_you wrote:
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In America we are free to have people who do not agree with religion.
Different people have different ideas and thoughts and opinions, so if the religious people can use different names to distinguish the difference in opinion to start with then I don't see why other people cannot. You seem to be much more intolerant to things than you once portrayed yourself to be.
I don't agree with you that I am not tolerant. I do not claim you should not have your church. I am not against you voicing your opinion here, although overall I do think it is asinine, to attempt to convert others, or to question someone to prove what they all ready told you was their faith. I only question yours because you would claim it as proven, which by all means I know is not true and you are delusional for claiming it is.

I don't even question your claims, I just understand your truth is different from mine, and that is even excluding the curves quantum physics may offer.

The fact I would never vote for an atheist is pure political opinion. It would be very nice if I was to have a Buddhist option, but that never seems to happen.
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Robert Stevens wrote:
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... Make no mistake about it, I view you as sub human for having your beliefs....
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...I view atheism as more of an evil cult than Christianity.
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An atheist is simply someone who believes in one fewer god than you.

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I_see_you wrote:
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This is a default answer that you know is incorrect when you type it, and you simply look to stir emotion from it. Factually, you have no solid proof for a god, you only hope, and believe, or have "faith" that there is one.
I disagree with you. I do have solid proof of God you just refuse to recognize it. As I refuse to recognize your stories of a God that is not perfect. You are confused because your made up God that is not perfect has no proof. Why would you wish to promote a culture of people that can't be inspired, and have no souls? It is no wonder the Japanese use to beat The Chinese like red headed step children, and although Russia took Finland the Finnish killed 10+ to 1 Russians. The art scene of these sinkholes. I am sure a soul may occasionally be inspired to create, but overall those places suck.

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I bet you say that to everyone that doesn't agree with you, Catcher. Even little old ladies.
Then you will sue them, take their house and and social security checks, and then dump them on the street.
You will show them the price of not being righteous like you.
No, it's your habit of patronizing, and demeaning.

Especially women.

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Imhotep wrote:
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How informal?
Two band aids and a cork?
What style of fig leaf is in this fall?
Anything goes in The Holy Church of Catcher.

We even have our own thread.
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In recent weeks, a spate of especially appalling jihadist attacks occurred—one on a shopping mall in Nairobi, where non-Muslims appear to have been systematically tortured before being murdered; one on a church in Peshawar; and one on a school playground in Baghdad, targeting children.

Whenever I point out the role that religious ideology plays in atrocities of this kind—specifically the Islamic doctrines related to jihad, martyrdom, apostasy, and so forth—I am met with some version of the following:“Bad people will always do these things. Religion is nothing more than a pretext.” This is an increasingly dangerous misconception to have about the human mind.

My pick for the most terrifying and depressing phenomenon on earth: A smart, capable, compassionate, and honorable person grows infected with ludicrous ideas about a holy book and a waiting paradise, and then becomes capable of murdering innocent people—even children—while in a state of religious ecstasy.

Needless to say, this problem is rendered all the more terrifying and depressing because so many of us deny that it even exists.
To imagine that one is a holy warrior bound for Paradise might seem delusional, but we live in a world where perfectly sane people are led to believe such floridly crazy things in the name of religion.
This is primarily a social and cultural issue, not a psychological one. There is no clear line between what members of the Taliban, al Qaeda, and al Shabab believe about Islam and the “true” Islam.

In fact, these groups have as good a claim as any to being impeccable Muslims. This presents an enormous threat to civil society, which apologists for Islam and secular liberals can now be counted upon to obfuscate.

Their determination that “moderate” Islam not be blamed for the acts of “extremists” causes them to deny that genuine (and theologically justifiable) religious beliefs can inspire psychologically normal people to commit horrific acts of violence.

Take a moment to consider the actions of the Taliban gunman who shot Malala Yousafzai in the head. How is it that this man came to board a school bus with the intention of murdering a 15-year-old girl? Absent ideology, this could have only been the work of a psychotic or a psychopath.

No doubt the assassin who tried to kill her believed that he was doing God’s work. He was probably a perfectly normal man—perhaps even a father himself—and that is what is so disturbing.

The fact that otherwise normal people can be infected by destructive religious beliefs is crucial to understand—because beliefs spread. Until moderate Muslims and secular liberals stop misplacing the blame for this evil, they will remain part of the problem. Yes, our drone strikes in Pakistan kill innocent people—and this undoubtedly creates new enemies for the West. But we wouldn’t need to drop a single bomb on Pakistan, or anywhere else, if a death cult of devout Muslims weren’t making life miserable for millions of innocent people and posing an unacceptable threat of violence to open societies.

Malala did not win a Nobel prize this week, and it is probably good for her that she didn’t. She absolutely deserved it—far more than several recent recipients have—but this recognition would have made her security concerns even more excruciating than they probably are already. Her nomination is said to have noticeably increased anti-Western sentiment in Pakistan—a fact that deserves some honest reflection on the part of Islam’s apologists. If for nothing else, we can be grateful to the Taliban for reminding us of what so many civilized people seem eager to forget: This is both a war of ideas and a very bloody war—and we must win it.

- See more at: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/no-ordinar...

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I_see_you wrote:
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Because those are the sub-topics that were brought up in this thread.... and if the title of this thread were in question form, the answer would be "No, it does not." I do not need much faith to understand what science has told me about the universe thus far and none of that points to a creator as of yet. If they show me some sign of a creator, or if someone else may be able to show me some sign of a creator, then it would take as much faith as religion.
There lies your problem, if you admitted you did need faith, THEN you could move on, and question those that claim they do not require faith. All these post are off topic. The truth is do to Atheist poor comprehension skills every single message tread any where, with any title has to be changed into "Intelligent design" and even then you turn it into strictly Christian Fundamentalist vs Atheist non believers/Fundamentalist. It makes me wonder if poor comprehension to a level of not recognizing you have a soul, is part of your religion.

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I_see_you wrote:
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Your loss.
I would feel the same way about you, but I think an atheist society sucks so much, you'd have tears and beg to come back here. It would be worse than burning in hell.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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No, it's your habit of patronizing, and demeaning.
Especially women.
I patronize?

Are you serious?

You are describing yourself, you egotistical, self righteous product of indoctrination. I know you can't help it, but you should really try harder to be a real and caring human being instead of a morality mouther for profit.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Because you keep bringing it up, among other reasons. Here you are bringing it up again. It's also relevant to any discussion on religion or atheism.
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Then you consider a discussion of deities to be off topic in a thread about religion and faith? I don't.
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That is correct. It's also correct that there is no need to.
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Man evolved from ancestral apes. That is beyond debate except among people defending creation myths, who, like all other non-evolutionary scientists, have no say in the debate. Christian evolution deniers are not taken seriously outside of their own circles.
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Why do you keep posting things like that? You're having a little trouble staying on topic.
Ok don't ask about The Christian God. Tell the atheist that ask. No ****, I had one atheist who ask me all about my God, then ball me out for not answering his questions, later ball me out for answering someone else's questions. Saying "I was off Topic" The 2nd time this worm meat did this, I actually predicted it would happen. The truth is we all have faith, until mankind knows all, that is just the way it is.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You'll just have to get over it. It's a dominant theme in Western culture at this time, and the purpose of these threads. You seem to disapprove. I can easily imagine why, but I'll let you speak for yourself if you care to.
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You've said that before - just before you rejected my claim that I advocate for democracy, political freedom, peace, and tolerance, and lumped me with brutal authoritarians.
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Why point that out? Who's requesting you or anybody else to go down my road? Choose whatever road make sense to you. What I do is help others make better decisions in that department by pointing out the failuresand hypocrisies of Christianity.
In regards to your last response. Please stop acting so stupid. Why else would you want to challenge someone after they confessed they have faith not absolute proof. It makes all else you say so under handed. See you go beyond being anti-religion when you do that. Now you are trying to persuade, attempt to claim the absolute proven answer. That my friend is a religious movement. It is exactly why I would understand someone being anti-religion. In my book you offer the worse part of religion, without any of it's good. That is why I would never vote for someone of your sort. When you know what hits the fan, your sort will not be able to maintain their populist. You bitch about GW, and I never voted for him, but now you could see how good of a job he did keeping his populist quiet.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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In what sense? Don't you reject science's position on the evolution of the universe and the evolution of life on earth?
You appreciate science the way I appreciate Christianity.
You are assuming I do believe in evolution and it does not prove that there is no God. The truth is the best answer is, the human race was created by an advance race. This could be so hard on some fans of science, that they deny there is a God period.

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