Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#179431 Oct 8, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I have posted titles of books. If you choose the New Age route, hypnotherapy go with destiny of Souls and Journey of Souls. I think you would be best off going the Buddhist way and for that you could browse your book store and select what grabs you. I am not kidding, I must have mentioned this at least 5 times all ready. The truth is you most likely just don't get it, as I said. I believe you, you don't have a soul.
So... any proof outside of kooky books designed to trick the gullible out of their cash?

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#179432 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I left a reference on the definition of cosmology, which came from encyclopedia project Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is the most widely used encyclopedia in the entire world. And Wikipedia uses the word philosophy in describing the so called science of cosmology. Iím very sorry this is disappointing news for Atheist.
But this is how the entire world views cosmology. Itís right up there with Astrology and Palm Readers. And any so called discovery these cosmologist claim has a nil impact on our modern society.
Are you aware that different disciplines can fall under the same blanket term? You're being ridiculous. It would be like if I claimed that all of science was invalid because once upon a time blood letting was scientific.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179434 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I think you will find this definition of cosmology rather interesting. Notice the word ďphilosophersĒ repeated throughout the definition.
Wiki:
Cosmology is the study of the origins and eventual fate of the universe. Physical cosmology is the scholarly and scientific study of the origin, evolution, structure, dynamics, and ultimate fate of the universe, as well as the natural laws that keep it in order.
[1] Religious cosmology (or mythological cosmology) is a body of beliefs based on the historical, mythological, religious, and esoteric literature and traditions of creation and eschatology.
Physical cosmology is studied by scientists, such as astronomers, and theoretical physicists; and academic philosophers, such as metaphysicians, philosophers of physics, and philosophers of space and time.
Modern cosmology is dominated by the Big Bang theory, which attempts to bring together observational astronomy and particle physics.[2]
Although the word cosmology is recent (first used in 1730 in Christian Wolff's Cosmologia Generalis), the study of the universe has a long history involving science, philosophy, esotericism and religion. Related studies include cosmogony, which focuses on the origin of the Universe, and cosmography, which maps the features of the Universe. Cosmology is also connected to astronomy, but while the former is concerned with the Universe as a whole, the latter deals with individual celestial objects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology
You'll also notice how many different applications there are for the word THEORY. Germ theory, the theory of evolution, the theory of gravity, and my favorite MUSIC THEORY. There is a huge difference between music theory and the theory of evolution. The definition of cosmology by itself involved no philosophical component. And I did notice that the study of the universe often involves philosophy and religion, but not when studies by scientists who's only interests are the evolution, structure, dynamics, and the ultimate fate of the universe. But I give you credit for all the hard work you did trying to insert philosophy into the study of cosmology, and reduce one of the smartest men on the planet into a pot smoking speculative dreamer. Very nice try!!!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179435 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Let me give you the common manís definition of a philosopher Doctor.
Philosopher: One who orates BS, one who dreams nonsense, while smoking dope, blows smoke circles out his @ss, One who fabricates fictitious beliefs based on science of imagination, a vain cult leader with a cult following.
Doctor, my good Doctor, cosmology is full of Philosophers and cult leaders. Itís right up there with astrology and palm readers.
You can keep following your cult leaders Doctor. I won't think less of you.
You keep doing this, over and over again. Here you think you are being facetious in describing philosophy when you have just given an extremely accurate description of a Theists, or yourself. "One who dreams nonsense"......There is an invisible being who scooped up a handful of dirt, blew on it and out popped a fully formed human male. "One who fabricates fictitious beliefs based on imagination"........There is a magical place where you can go after you die, sit on a pink cloud playing a harp and visiting with uncle louie and aunt bernice. "A vain cult leader".......Your vain cult leader is named God. He is so vain that the first commandments involve his sense of vanity, and all you have to do to piss him off is to intrude on his vanity. And of course there is a huge cult following, a death cult to be exact. A death cult were its members can't wait to die and sample the soft fluffy pink clouds.

You seem to have a real knack for trying to discredit one area but end up describing perfectly you or your delusional beliefs. Good job!!!!
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179436 Oct 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You'll also notice how many different applications there are for the word THEORY. Germ theory, the theory of evolution, the theory of gravity, and my favorite MUSIC THEORY. There is a huge difference between music theory and the theory of evolution. The definition of cosmology by itself involved no philosophical component. And I did notice that the study of the universe often involves philosophy and religion, but not when studies by scientists who's only interests are the evolution, structure, dynamics, and the ultimate fate of the universe. But I give you credit for all the hard work you did trying to insert philosophy into the study of cosmology, and reduce one of the smartest men on the planet into a pot smoking speculative dreamer. Very nice try!!!!
Why thank you Doctor, I do try hard. I donít know Stephen Hawkings. But I do think he is nothing more than a school mascot. They probably carry him out on poles before Cricket Games. Cheers and team spirit and all that stuff.

After he passes on from this life they probably will still carry him out on the field to rally team support. Iím not into cosmology and astrology. And all the other philosophical sciences. But I have made my point and I thank your for your time.[Tipping Hat].

One more thing, Music Theory get's into some deep stuff so I'm told. I'm not a music person like my son is. When I was in the second grade we had a teacher that would thump our heads with a thimble if we were singing off key. My bone head was always getting the hardest thumping. It hurts thinking about it today.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179437 Oct 8, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I have posted titles of books. If you choose the New Age route, hypnotherapy go with destiny of Souls and Journey of Souls. I think you would be best off going the Buddhist way and for that you could browse your book store and select what grabs you. I am not kidding, I must have mentioned this at least 5 times all ready. The truth is you most likely just don't get it, as I said. I believe you, you don't have a soul.
Yes you have posted your chosen books on fantasy and magical beliefs, but you haven't, and most likely never will, post anything meaningful. I will on occasion read the kinds of books you suggest, but do that for fun, not to gather factual information, for that I read books written by scientists. For volcanos and earthquake, I read books by geologists, for the universe and celestial events, i read books by cosmologist's and astronomers. For evolution, books by evolutionary biologists. For the existence of souls..........errr...ahhh.... ...seems as though there are NO books written by science on the existence of souls, most likely because like those who believe in God it is something only imagined. You're right I don't have a soul and neither do you, or anyone else on the planet. Verifiable evidence is a wonderful thing, it shows what is actually real and what is only imagined.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#179438 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Why thank you Doctor, I do try hard. I donít know Stephen Hawkings. But I do think he is nothing more than a school mascot. They probably carry him out on poles before Cricket Games. Cheers and team spirit and all that stuff.
After he passes on from this life they probably will still carry him out on the field to rally team support. Iím not into cosmology and astrology. And all the other philosophical sciences. But I have made my point and I thank your for your time.[Tipping Hat].
One more thing, Music Theory get's into some deep stuff so I'm told. I'm not a music person like my son is. When I was in the second grade we had a teacher that would thump our heads with a thimble if we were singing off key. My bone head was always getting the hardest thumping. It hurts thinking about it today.
Well that certainly explains your brain damage and underachievement issues.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179439 Oct 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you aware that different disciplines can fall under the same blanket term? You're being ridiculous. It would be like if I claimed that all of science was invalid because once upon a time blood letting was scientific.
We were of course talking about cosmology. I think in your case it would be better if you understood cosmetology first. Before you delve into the more complex philosophical stuff. Then gradually we could ease you into understanding cosmology and astrology.

This is all more complex than the ins and outs of the porn business you're involved in.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179440 Oct 8, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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I already did.
Arrived on the 7th w/massive hangover.
The food, music, endless beer and laughter is, in and of itself, intoxicating.
At least the new pope seems to be attempting serious reform in the RCC.
I wish him well.
Recent Al-Qaeda capture should yield info on the suicide bombers. Reminds me of WWII Kamikaze w/a different mindset.
Ancestry (honor,country)vs Religious Dogma
It would be a pleasant change, if the RCC moved away from the brink of fascism, and more towards the center.

Alas, they are top-heavy with a whole cadre of misogynistic old .... men. Who collectively haven't had an original thought since the Dark Ages...
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179441 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Why thank you Doctor, I do try hard. I donít know Stephen Hawkings. But I do think he is nothing more than a school mascot. They probably carry him out on poles before Cricket Games. Cheers and team spirit and all that stuff.
After he passes on from this life they probably will still carry him out on the field to rally team support. Iím not into cosmology and astrology. And all the other philosophical sciences. But I have made my point and I thank your for your time.[Tipping Hat].
One more thing, Music Theory get's into some deep stuff so I'm told. I'm not a music person like my son is. When I was in the second grade we had a teacher that would thump our heads with a thimble if we were singing off key. My bone head was always getting the hardest thumping. It hurts thinking about it today.
When you say you don't know someone and then proceed to discredit and belittle them its ignorance in its highest form, shame on you. He has MS and is wheelchair bound and must use a voice activated computer so I highly doubt they carry him out on poles, but you would know that had you gotten off your lazy ass and did a little research.

No your not *into* cosmology and astrology, thats obvious from you ignorant posts on both, nor are you apparently *into* any of the sciences, its no wonder you are ALWAYS speaking in ignorance when it comes to any subject that involves science. You have made no point, you have babbled on in ignorance as usual, and thinking that you have somehow made a point is further proof of you delusional mindset

Yes, music theory get into some very deep stuff, and as I remember stuff your son was completely unaware of, and probably still is

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179442 Oct 8, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Here, people are rather irreligious.
It is a culture shock 4 sure. USA is viewed as backward in many ways, in spite of, military superiority.
We are getting used to hi-speed rail and public transport.
Very efficient.
People with no theistic beliefs never feel the need to conquer those who have them. We never assemble huge atheistic armies to kill those whose beliefs we do not believe.
We do not march door to door to tell total strangers how bizarre and silly their religions are.
Too bad this courtesy is not returned.
It is true that it is difficult to get any two atheists to agree on whether to capitalize the word ďGodĒ but I doubt there are any, anywhere, who would call for pistols at dawn to settle the dispute!
Atheists donít kill because of atheism. If they kill, it is for some other reason. The very idea of ďAtheist WarsĒ is so preposterous it makes one laugh.
But the idea of Christian wars and Muslim wars and Jewish wars is not only believable but quite real and with us today.
Indeed-- it was not that many generations ago, when Genuine Christiansô were still murdering atheists as soon as they found them out.

This took place for centuries.

Now that the godbots no longer have power over unbelievers? They are trying to complain about being "persecuted".... right.

The most I ever hear atheists do, is criticize their quack beliefs (now that doing so is not an instant death penalty).

As you say-- atheists, for the most part, are simply not interested in murdering people who are different.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179443 Oct 8, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Interesting response, no one said you were a Catholic. I use the term clergy to be general, as you were when you said you were molested.
I've never--ever said I was molested. And I haven't.

That was just you-- fantasizing again.

Do you really get off on fantasizing about molesting kids? I ask, since you keep bringing it up so often.
Robert Stevens wrote:
The best part of the statement was some other atheist applauded you for stepping forward, and said "No Christians would have the guts to come forward here as you were." and you just took that compliment, then leader you bobbed the statement, as Bobbing Bobby does.
Post a link to this alleged post-- you can't because you are 100% lying here.

You are just confusing your FANTASIZES with reality.

You are one sick f7ck.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179444 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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What can I say Bob, he has been good to me. I'm not complaining.
Can you explain why your god is so "good" to you, but treats kids in Africa like they were literal worm-food?

In that they are starving and die by the thousands each and every day.

What makes **YOU** so special, and THEM so worthless?(in your god's eyes, obviously)

Hmmm?

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#179445 Oct 8, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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We were of course talking about cosmology. I think in your case it would be better if you understood cosmetology first. Before you delve into the more complex philosophical stuff. Then gradually we could ease you into understanding cosmology and astrology.
This is all more complex than the ins and outs of the porn business you're involved in.
Porn business? What?

Anyways - thanks for the laugh. You possess less understanding of cosmology than a grade schooler. That you can even compare it to astrology tells me all I need to know about your "understanding."
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179446 Oct 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Can you explain why your god is so "good" to you, but treats kids in Africa like they were literal worm-food?
In that they are starving and die by the thousands each and every day.
What makes **YOU** so special, and THEM so worthless?(in your god's eyes, obviously)
Hmmm?
Besides his God sitting and watching these children die horrible deaths each and every day, his God also loves to watch the parasitic worms that burrow into the eyeballs of these same children.

There is a heart wrenching account of the young mother on her journey to find food and water for her two young children. The youngest was so weak that she had to stop and rest. Then realizing that the child could not take another step, and if she stayed her and the other child would surely die. Can you even begin to imagine what it took for her to leave her youngest on the side of the road to die a slow and horrible death while she continued her journey to save her other child? And this demo God did what he always does, he sits with arms folded and does........absolutely nothing. It's almost as though there is some perverse enjoyment in watching the suffering of young children!!!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179447 Oct 8, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Porn business? What?
Anyways - thanks for the laugh. You possess less understanding of cosmology than a grade schooler. That you can even compare it to astrology tells me all I need to know about your "understanding."
But then again, can't you see how he would confuse astrology as a science? He deals in mythical beings and magical events only, so astrology fits right in.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#179448 Oct 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>But then again, can't you see how he would confuse astrology as a science? He deals in mythical beings and magical events only, so astrology fits right in.
His study into cosmology turned out to be old cosmopolitan magazines.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179449 Oct 8, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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His study into cosmology turned out to be old cosmopolitan magazines.
Nah, thats way to hip for him!!!

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#179450 Oct 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>But then again, can't you see how he would confuse astrology as a science? He deals in mythical beings and magical events only, so astrology fits right in.
Very true indeed.
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#179451 Oct 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It would be a pleasant change, if the RCC moved away from the brink of fascism, and more towards the center.
Alas, they are top-heavy with a whole cadre of misogynistic old .... men. Who collectively haven't had an original thought since the Dark Ages...
I have noticed a certain degree of Islamaphobia.
Both here in the Netherlands and also in France.

The sex symbol of the 60s Bridget Bardot is a anti-Islam activist in France.

Geert Wilders is our firebrand.
It's hard getting used to the weather though, Bob

It is possible my company may send me here to the US at least four times a year to do maintenance probably in the same region somewhere around the mountains of Appalachia.

Other previous post, you remarked about Matthew 6:6

If you take the time to read bible it'll contradict itself enough to make all religions, in any foundation, false.

The shutdown?


"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert, in 5 years there would be a shortage of sand" - Milton Friedman

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