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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179563 Oct 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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For thy mind is misaligned and has been radically skewed. Such a pity that thy thoughts are so full of fecal stoppage. Take some strong laxatives and eat a big bowl of pinto beans that was not pre soaked. That should clear your mind.
Translation: You cannot explain the 40,000 DIFFERENT flavors of "christian".

This PROOF that your god cannot manage ANYTHING is beyond you.

So, again, you try to put me down instead.

Classic Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179564 Oct 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You cannot prove anything to a person not willing and able to be convinced by a proof. It is necessary that you be able to understand the proof, which is why I could not prove the Pythagorean theorem to toddler, and that you be willing to be convinced by compelling evidence supported by a compelling argument, which is why Christians reject proofs of their god's nonexistence.
For example, it's easy to demonstrate to an open mind that no omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists to watch over us and protect us. The human condition rules out that possibility. If there are gods, they either don't know us, can't help us, or don't care enough to do so. Only people committed to believing otherwise reject such an argument.
Want more? Of course you don't. But here it is anyway:
Perfection doesn't allow for change, since either the before or after state would have been less than perfect. You cant change the shape of a perfectly straight line or perfect circle without making it imperfect. Likewise, a perfect god couldn't create anything or even think anything without losing perfection.
Here's more evidence of your god's nonexistence:
If your god existed, it wouldn't tolerate blasphemy, its church wouldn't be withering away, it couldn't have been expelled from grade schools, its intelligent designs would be unmistakeable, the bible's creation myth wouldn't have been so incorrect, and there would be only one religion, which wouldn't even be recognized as religion - just more science.
Don't you think that it's a little insincere for faith based thinkers to argue about proof since evidence and proof are of little interest to them? They don't require it of the things they believe, and when the evidence contradicts those faith based beliefs, they ignore it. What else do we have to offer to prove anything apart from evidence and reason to which the closed mind is as impervious as Superman is to bullets? How can even that which is provable be proven to such a mind?
"Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben
DOC!

I cannot express how happy I am to see your post, here-- and I haven't even read it--

-- it's just gratifying to see you alive and well.

(raises a toast to the good doctor)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#179565 Oct 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>"Good people will do GOOD things, evil people will do EVIL things, but to get a GOOD person to do EVIL things.....that takes religion."
You're right God has noting to do with some people doing horrible things, and conversely God can not take credit for people doing wonderful things. It's almost as though God is completely worthless when it comes to how people behave.
You mentioned Hitlers slaughter of the Jews. Have you ever wondering why millions of prayers went unanswered? It is said that if you pray hard enough God will answer your prayers. People swear by that claim. During the holocaust I'm quite certain that millions of Jews prayed as they had never prayed before. Prayed for their children, their brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, prayed for a quick death when subjected to horrific medical experiments, or death by slow starvation. You Gid sat and did..........NOTHING, he watched as millions died horrible deaths, he watched children and babies die equally horrible deaths. He sat and just watched. Its almost as thought he either takes some perverse pleasure in watching his creations die horribly, or he doesn't give a shit. It is exactly like no God exists, yes I think that just may be the answer.
Let’s see here, you live in Boston, right? And Boston was the scene of a terrorist act in which women, children, and good family men were killed by terrorist. Not to mention all those that were permanently injured.

"Good people will do GOOD things, evil people will do EVIL things, but to get a GOOD person to do EVIL things.....that takes religion."

If I’m reading you right Doctor. You are saying good people performed terrorist acts in the name of religion?
I don’t think that comment will fly with your neighbors in Boston. Nor will it have merit with the 99.8% of the American population.

Too bad that didn’t happen in Texas. Because your home boy Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would be facing the death penalty with a sterile needle. Then his body dumped in the dumpster in the back of the prison.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179566 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler may have been catholic, until he started WW2, so he wasn't really a catholic once he became jealous of the Jews
You really don't know History, do you?

Among Cat'Lick history, there has always been a very strong faction who blamed the Jews for the "death" of christ.

This is still a strong bit of Cat'Lick theology, but is not stressed as widely as it was before WW2, for fear of retribution.

Proof? Our lovely Australian Actor-cum-director Mel Gibson. He's ample proof the dogma of "jews are christ-killers" is alive and well in the Cat'Lick hierarchy.

That was all Hitler needed, apparently...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179567 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Good argument, but let me tell you this.
Do you think God can just end WW2 over night?
Stop.

Either your god is IN CHARGE or your god IS NOT.

If he IS?

HE COULD EASILY HAVE PREVENTED WW2 in the FIRST place.

If not?

He's not a god.

WHICH IS IT?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179568 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
It's good to have a different point of view, God has other reasons if you hadn't noticed.
And why in the world do you think God will fix something over night.
Man, Judgement day is going to be good.
Is your god IN CHARGE or NOT?

If not? He's not god, is he?

If he IS?

HE IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL EVIL HE ALLOWS--which is ALL of it.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#179569 Oct 10, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Creationist are noted for their inability to answer straight questions like:
Where the f*ck is proof of he god you keep lying about?
Why do you lie about atheists?
Why do you try to lie and hide e fact that hitler was catholic?
All straight questions that creationist run away from because they are lying cowards at the end of the day...
If Hitler was a Christian as you Atheist love to proclaim.

That would mean Frank Abagnale Jr is a Airline Pilot and MD. Well at least he played the part as one. That makes him a real Doctor doesn’t it.

Kinda like Doc Adams in Gunsmoke. He was a real Medical Doctor, wasn’t he?

How about Jane Seymour, in Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman? She was a real Doctor wasn’t she?

I think you are living in a world of make believe.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#179570 Oct 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians, I for always being a moron, a arrogant, idiotic, self-centred Atheist . That goes for the other idiotic imbeciles on this forum(Atheists). I will always be a dumbass atheist, a clueless dumbass with no evidence to disprove Religion and will always believe in Sciensanity
:)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#179571 Oct 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Translation: You cannot explain the 40,000 DIFFERENT flavors of "christian".
This PROOF that your god cannot manage ANYTHING is beyond you.
So, again, you try to put me down instead.
Classic Fail.
Bob, go do your laundry, and use soap this time.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#179572 Oct 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop.
Either your god is IN CHARGE or your god IS NOT.
If he IS?
HE COULD EASILY HAVE PREVENTED WW2 in the FIRST place.
If not?
He's not a god.
WHICH IS IT?
Tell me what God could've done to Hitler to prevent WW2

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179573 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
It's good to have a different point of view, God has other reasons if you hadn't noticed.
And why in the world do you think God will fix something over night.
Man, Judgement day is going to be good.
Yes, I'm sure you'll be bringing popcorn to pop on the fires of hell...

Again, such a creepy religion you follow...
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#179574 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me what God could've done to Hitler to prevent WW2
God didn’t stop Cain from killing his brother Able. Men have had the power to make war and always have.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#179575 Oct 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop.
Either your god is IN CHARGE or your god IS NOT.
If he IS?
HE COULD EASILY HAVE PREVENTED WW2 in the FIRST place.
If not?
He's not a god.
WHICH IS IT?
Bob, go do your dishes, and for crying out loud do something about all those roaches.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#179576 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Good argument, but let me tell you this.
Do you think God can just end WW2 over night? Do you think God can just make every gun in Germany get stuck over night? Do you think God can just make WW2 disappear and be completely forgotten over night?
"Good come to those who wait" and the reason why god can't stop everything over night, is because he created Judgement day.
If he stopped a massive event like WW2 over night, stopped AIDs in a second and completely wiped out drugs In a flash etc.
Humans will know he exists, be well prepared for Judgement day, and God wants humans to be prepared by believing in him, not because he did that amazing thing and that wonderful thing.
God gave humans a chance in the Biblical times to believe in him, after he revealed himself so many times, but still most people did not accept him as the True God.
Now it's our turn to be tested.
God does do small things all over the world, but it will be impossible to stop World crime and world insanity because those people who choose to do wrong and not ask God for help, God cannot help
So do you really think God doesn't help the Earth, take a look at Humans first before you blame God for people's mistakes and wrong decisions
You only have two choices here;

1.) Your God is omnipotent and has the power to eliminate all evil in the world

2.) Your God is NOT omnipotent and cannot eliminate all of the evil in the world.

If number one is true then you God is cruel beyond belief. He's nothing more than an immoral barbaric war lord who is unwilling to eliminate gratuitous suffering. You are more compassionate and moral than the God you worship. If you came across a someone about to be brutally murdered, and you had the power to stop such a crime without any possible harm to yourself, would you? If you saw a small child dying of starvation, would you not offer it food and drink? Would you, as a decent human being, go out of your way to assist someone in need, especially if it was of absolutely no inconvenience to you? If you can answer yes to any of these, and I'm quite sure you would, then you have just proven how much more compassionate and moral you are than the God you worship/

If number two is true, then your God is completely useless.

In my original post I never mentioned God stopping WW2, or for that matter stopping any wars. I asked why your GOD who is supposed to answer prayers, never answered those of the millions of Jews during the holocaust.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#179577 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Good argument, but let me tell you this.
Do you think God can just end WW2 over night? Do you think God can just make every gun in Germany get stuck over night? Do you think God can just make WW2 disappear and be completely forgotten over night?
"Good come to those who wait" and the reason why god can't stop everything over night, is because he created Judgement day.
If he stopped a massive event like WW2 over night, stopped AIDs in a second and completely wiped out drugs In a flash etc.
Humans will know he exists, be well prepared for Judgement day, and God wants humans to be prepared by believing in him, not because he did that amazing thing and that wonderful thing.
God gave humans a chance in the Biblical times to believe in him, after he revealed himself so many times, but still most people did not accept him as the True God.
Now it's our turn to be tested.
God does do small things all over the world, but it will be impossible to stop World crime and world insanity because those people who choose to do wrong and not ask God for help, God cannot help
So do you really think God doesn't help the Earth, take a look at Humans first before you blame God for people's mistakes and wrong decisions
And here is the problem, your God DID NOT reveal himself to anyone. Oh I know there are ancient stories about someone roaming the countryside preaching about a God. This same person is said to actually be the son of God. It get even more confusing when Christian doctrine claims Jesus/God/the holy spirit are considered ONE ENTITY, but somehow separate. So I guess that means God killed himself on the cross. All very confusing. Your God wants us to believe in him and has a very important message for all of mankind, so how does he deliver this message? In ancient texts who's authorship cannot be validated and this text translated many times over. And delivered to ignorant shepherds in an isolated backwards desert region.

Now if you God was serious about revealing himself so that every man women and child would know he actually exists, the one a year emblazoned across the face of the moon would be his words. And on the next day, he would appear for all to see. But no, he keeps himself hidden for 2,000 years and relays his message with ancient texts. It's complete and utter insanity.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#179580 Oct 10, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
If Hitler was a Christian as you Atheist love to proclaim.
That would mean Frank Abagnale Jr is a Airline Pilot and MD. Well at least he played the part as one. That makes him a real Doctor doesn’t it.
Kinda like Doc Adams in Gunsmoke. He was a real Medical Doctor, wasn’t he?
How about Jane Seymour, in Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman? She was a real Doctor wasn’t she?
I think you are living in a world of make believe.
Your creationist ignorance is almost award-winning. If only you could prove the god your cult instructs you to lie about here...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#179581 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me what God could've done to Hitler to prevent WW2
God isn't real. Hitler was inspired by your cult though, so I suppose your cults'followers could have shut the f*ck up so that hitler would never have used your cult as inspiration to kill more than 6m innocent people in such a horrible way.

Every nazi belt has the words "in god we trust" on the front of it, w hich sums up how filthy and dangerous religious cults really are.

What is sad is how Christians try to lie about hitler's reasons for going to war...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#179582 Oct 10, 2013
Carchar King wrote:

"God does do small things all over the world, but it will be impossible to stop World crime and world insanity because those people who choose to do wrong and not ask God for help, God cannot help."

So you have just admitted that your God is NOT omnipotent. You used the word IMPOSSIBLE when making reference to your God. It is apparently IMPOSSIBLE for his to do something, that makes him/she/it NOT OMNIPOTENT. It makes the God you worship totally useless.

If you God is NOT OMNIPOTENT as you suggest then it would be impossible for him to create the universe, the Earth, humans. As your dominos begin to tumble ,you God slowly becomes an impossibility!!!! Sorry for your loss!!!!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179583 Oct 10, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I have 2 weeks in Appalachia as suspected.
Ironic, isn't it?
I move abroad, only to find my "value", is to still work here!
Apparently our clients in Appalachia are reticent to deal w/foreigners.
It is eye candy here, Beautiful scenery.
Biblical rant recant... 10 CMD
The first 4 commandments are all cut from the same piece of cloth.
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make thee any graven images or bow down to them, and if you do I'll get you and your kids and their descendants.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the lord in vain.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
In essence, the first four commandments all scream that "the lord thy god" has an uneasy vanity, and like most dictators, must resort to threats, rather than intellectual persuasion, to promote a point of view. If there were an omnipotent god, can you imagine him or her being concerned if some poor little insignificant creature puttered around and made a graven image? Do you think that any god, possessing the modicum of good will you could expect to find in any neighbor, would want to punish children even "unto the third and fourth generation" because their fathers would not bow down? How can anyone not perceive the pettiness, bluster, bombast and psychotic insecurity behind the first four commandments? We are supposed to respect this!
"Honor thy father and thy mother" is the fifth commandment, and it is, of course, an extension of the authoritarian rationale behind the first four. Honor cannot be automatically bestowed by an honest intellect.
Intellectually honest people can honor only those who, in their opinion, warrant their honor. The biologic fact of fatherhood and motherhood does not in and of itself warrant honor. Until very recently parenthood was not a matter of choice.
It still is a mandatory, not optional, happening for many of the world's people. Why should any child be commanded to honor, without further basis, parents who became parents by accident--who didn't even plan to have a child? All of us know children who have been abused, beaten or neglected by their parents. What is the basis for honor there? How does the daughter honor a father who sexually molests her? Honor those who merit your honor would be a much more appropriate teaching, and if that includes your parents, great! It has been suggested that "Honor your children" would be a useful commandment.
Commandments six through nine--thou shalt not kill, commit adultery, steal or bear false witness obviously have merit, but even they need extensive revision. To kill in self-defense is regrettable, but it is certainly morally defensible, eminently sensible conduct.. So is the administration of a shot or medication that will end life for the terminally ill patient who wishes to die.
The tenth commandment, which riles the feminist blood, says: "Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is thy neighbor's." In addition to rating a wife with an ox and an ass, the bible loftily overlooks the woman who might desire her neighbor's husband. Whether one accepts the apologist's definition of covet or the more popular meaning, the tenth commandment lacks real importance.
Little in Christianity is original. Most of it is borrowed, just as the celebration of Christmas was borrowed from Roman and earlier pagan times. When the "lord" supposedly wrote his commandments on two tablets of stone and delivered them to Moses (Deut. 5:22), he was only aping Bacchus, Zoroaster and Minos.
Nice to have you back on the threads. Hope you enjoy your two weeks.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179584 Oct 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You mean like you're American when you go into the bathroom, but while you're in the bathroom European?
Himalayan when he goes into the bedroom.

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