Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178431 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
Negative or positive is irrelevant.
Correct: that would be YOU.

Do you have **ANY** evidence to prove your god-claim?

No?

Interesting. By **default**?

Your claim is therefore false.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178432 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Who decided your moral standards?
The above?

Is neither an argument in support of, nor evidence for, a god.

You lose by default: your god is still not real.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178433 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So you cannot have parents if free will us real?
Parents are not Ultimate Creators of the Universe.

Parents are not omniscient.

Parents are not omnipowerful.

So, yes-- you can have parents and free will.

But you cannot have a **god** who is omni-X.

Such a being would eliminate all possibility of choice-- who can go against an omnipowerful god, who has already seen **the** future?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178434 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.
Are your unicorns omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and have actually engaged with man throughout recorded history?
Nice try.

Do you have **facts** showing your god is real?

No?

Interesting. By **default**, your god-claim is therefore false.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178435 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
And you think you have a deep knowledge of the bible?
I think you confuse intentional skepticism with actual knowledge.
Far deeper than you, obviously.

Proof?

You still **believe** the bible...

...!!!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178436 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Anger at God does not mean He does not exist.
Fear of god does not make him any more real.

Just as fear of the "boogyman" does not make that real, either.

Your fear is showing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178437 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How can morality predate God?
Because your god-claim is fiction, invented by very lazy people who were deeply afraid of the Out There, beyond the campfire's light.

So these cowardly, lazy first-priests fabricated a god-beast to "explain" things, and to give them dubious "comfort" when they cowered under the animal skins someone gave them out of pity.

For these first-priests were too lazy, too cowardly, to fend for themselves-- they had to coerce people to do it **for** them.

And the racket known as "religion" was invented--it's been stealing money, goods and services from humanity ever since.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178438 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
The old Santa Claus argument.
Correct.

Santa Claus is **exactly** as likely as your god-claim.

The two are **exactly** the same sort of belief:

100%**not** supported by **anything**.

If you **had** proof?

YOU WOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT BY NOW, AND WON THE NOBEL PRIZE.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178439 Sep 25, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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The name is right. 1
The town is right. 2
The lineage is right. 3
Nope. The word "jesus" is nowhere to be found in the OT.

Nope. Jesus was born in the **wrong** town according to the OT. More to the point? The name "Jesus of Nazareth" is impossible; Nazareth did not exist until well after the Jesus-myth supposedly happened.

Nope. Jesus was not descended from David-- his "dad" was god, not David. And in Hebrew, the **male** lineage is paramount-- why do you think all those *begats* were of **men**?
LCNLin

United States

#178440 Sep 25, 2013
Amusing OCD atheism?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#178441 Sep 25, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
Amusing OCD atheism?
Your ignorance is no match for evidence creationist troll.
Thinking

UK

#178442 Sep 25, 2013
He got fired from editing The Mirror newspaper as a result of lying about Iraq. So maybe GWB can put him up? The Iraq liar Blair is clearly too busy bringing peace to the Middle East to help you.
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I donít know about Len. We Americans donít watch too many Brit shows other than Bond, James Bond.
By the way, when you guys going to take Pierce Morgan back? What ever he did wrong please forgive him and let him come back home.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#178443 Sep 25, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
still LYING to yourself Chunkyboy
thats the Evil of xian indoctrination
Says you, thank God I don't have your mind body & well you don't have the other.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178444 Sep 25, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many flea markets in the summer outside and wintertime we have some big ones inside (38 736 sq ft mega flea market)
we have your storage wars program on tv here Yuuuuuuuuup!
Lol, I miss ole Dave Hester being on the show.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178445 Sep 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
He got fired from editing The Mirror newspaper as a result of lying about Iraq. So maybe GWB can put him up? The Iraq liar Blair is clearly too busy bringing peace to the Middle East to help you.
<quoted text>
lol,.........

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#178446 Sep 25, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>"You need a soul to move on, is a POSITIVE CLAIM and needs to be supported with evidence (see below) I can wait!!!!!
"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed"
I all ready gave the answer to this question. I can't prove it to you.
1. You may not have one
2. Your reading comprehension may not be good enough.
3. You are so against the notion, which goes back to reason #1, such books do not carry your attention.

If you were honestly interested you would invest the time and money. Your hobby here is not soul searching it is denying. I would never carry out a conversation with someone I think is lying.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178447 Sep 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope. Jesus was born in the **wrong** town according to the OT. More to the point? The name "Jesus of Nazareth" is impossible; Nazareth did not exist until well after the Jesus-myth supposedly happened.
Nope. Jesus was not descended from David-- his "dad" was god, not David. And in Hebrew, the **male** lineage is paramount-- why do you think all those *begats* were of **men**?
1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:20
Galatians 4:4 2 Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
Luke 2:4-6 3 Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23
Luke 1:26-31 4 Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3
Genesis 22:18 Matthew 1:1
Romans 9:5 5 Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19
Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34 6 Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2 7 Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:33
Hebrews 7:14 8 Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13
Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33
Romans 1:3 9 Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7
Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33
Hebrews 1:8-12 10 Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23 11 Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15 12 A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18 13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6 14 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8
Isaiah 53:3 John 1:11
John 7:5 15 Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15 Acts 3:20-22 16 Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6 Matthew 11:13-14 17 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17 18 Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 2:23 19 Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:13-16 20 Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4
Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35 21 Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:18-19 22 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6 23 Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6
Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37
Mark 11:7-11 24 Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16 25 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9
Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48
Matthew 26:14-16 26 Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10 27 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58 28 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7 Mark 15:4-5 29 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67 30 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19
Psalm 69:4 John 15:24-25 31 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38
Mark 15:27-28 32 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34
John 19:28-30 33 Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16
Zechariah 12:10 John 20:25-27 34 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35 35 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34
Matthew 27:35-36 36 Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46
Psalm 34:20 John 19:33-36 37 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46 38 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34 39 Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34 40 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60 41 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10
Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7
Acts 2:22-32 42 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19
Luke 24:51 43 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18
Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19
Matthew 22:44 44 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178448 Sep 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. The word "jesus" is nowhere to be found in the OT.
Nope. Jesus was born in the **wrong** town according to the OT. More to the point? The name "Jesus of Nazareth" is impossible; Nazareth did not exist until well after the Jesus-myth supposedly happened.
Nope. Jesus was not descended from David-- his "dad" was god, not David. And in Hebrew, the **male** lineage is paramount-- why do you think all those *begats* were of **men**?
Only a fool would take the word of a fool.

Since: Sep 13

Utica, NY

#178449 Sep 25, 2013
Atheism absolutely requires as much faith as any other religion.

Science uses the senses to repeatedly observe tested hypotheses. The fact that we're not able to sense God with our standard senses exempts this whole topic from science. You can't prove one way or the other. Anyone who tries claiming God exists or doesn't exist is saying so out of blind faith, and nothing more.

Logically speaking, it's easier to assume there was a creator of the universe. However, it is also possible to logically conclude there was not. Logic, reason, nor science are able to give a definite answer on this, and any claim for a definite conclusion one way or the other is based on faith.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#178450 Sep 25, 2013
Psalm 14:1

King James Version (KJV)

14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Only fools believe fools.

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