Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#178419 Sep 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Bone marrow that contains DNA, so God instead of the easy way with a hair or a speck of skin, now needs to not only tear the rib out of the man but then break it open and extract marrow. More evidence as to how stupid your God is. Which do you suppose is more painful, tearing out a rib or extracting a strand of hair? Which is obviously the most efficient? Which is easier? Your Gods a dope. Now on to your hypothesis on how the science works in order to get a fully formed male from a pile of dirt, yes yes, it needs to be blown on. What are your thoughts as to what affect blowing on a pile of dirt might have in creating a human? I can't wait for this answer!!!! If its anything like your, Whales don't have gills and have to surface to breath because God wanted us to thrill to the beauty of them broaching!!!!! Too F--cking funny. You certainly outdid yourself on that one.
Lol, reminds me of C. Hitchens. He was about 8 or 10 and his teacher took the class for a walk. She remarked that she was so thankful that God had made the sky a beautiful blue and the grass green to please his children.

She went on to speculate how horrible it would have been if God had decided to make nature in repulsive clashing colors.

That was the first time Hitch realized that she had it backwards, it wasn't something he could fully articulate yet, but it started him thinking;0)

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Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#178420 Sep 24, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn’t know flea markets were in Europe. They’re big business here in the US too. A lot of folks make their living buying items and selling them at flea markets or swap meets as they are sometimes called.
We even have reality TV shows surrounding these types of sales like “Storage Wars, and American Pickers.” A lot of these items purchased at storage auctions and by Pickers end up being sold in flea markets.
Garage sales is another big business in the US. Every once in a while someone will find something very valuable and purchase if for almost nothing.
There are many flea markets in the summer outside and wintertime we have some big ones inside (38 736 sq ft mega flea market)

we have your storage wars program on tv here Yuuuuuuuuup!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#178421 Sep 25, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>funny are atheists in denial
and off topic
Yoda!!!

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178422 Sep 25, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
Very interesting. I posted over a year ago and some rotten Topix administrators with a moniker "Silent Assassins" sent viruses to me. Fortunately, I have excellent protection. I tell you, watch out for the rats in here. They learned my IP address. That is the only way they could have attacked me. I know it was them because it occurred about 5 min after my post that upset them. I am a freethinker and they could not handle it. Another free thinker I know that was attacked was Pomona Atheist. Remember him? Many christians hated him and they shut him down. I am only here to correct irrational thinking, which to me is scarey. I believe in Freedom of Expression, but religious folk abhor us. Just sayin'.
I remember Pomona Atheist. I wondered what had happened.

I, too, and behind a hardware firewall that is ironclad. I have a secondary line of defense as well. And finally? I have inhibited all scripts in Topix, save the ones that allow me to comment-- and none others.

Those tools keep me relatively safe.

I see, from your post, that I'm glad I was careful.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178423 Sep 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
You said they were "atheists".
"Not religious" is NOT atheism.
I am not religious. I am not an atheist.
Is not possible to slam the Fundies without stooping to their deceitful practices ?
80%-90% of modern scientists do not believe in gods.

That makes them atheists, no matter how people like to spin things.

Anyone who does not have faith in god(s) is also an atheist, in the context I was writing.

I was being factual, even if some folk do not like the label "atheist".

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178424 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your reasoning infallible?
You seem to be avoiding answering this simple question.
Which reveals that you suppressing the truth on this.
The above?

Is neither an argument in support of, nor evidence for, a god.

You lose by default: your god is still not real.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178425 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Think about it, if God was never real to you then that means you never were a Christian.
Jesus refused to teach the Pharisees because their hearts were closed.
Did you seek for God with your whole heart, if you did you would have found Him.
The above?

Is neither an argument in support of, nor evidence for, a god.

You lose by default: your god is still not real.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178426 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
So the bible cant be true because different people have translated older texts at different times?
No--the bible can't be true because it contains a multiplicity of mistakes, errors, lies, falsehoods, fairy-tales, misconceptions, lies, fiction, myths and so on.

In fact?

If something in the bible turns out to be factual?

That is **also** a mistake-- for it was never the **intent** of it's authors...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178427 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Read carefully, as an atheist you have no basis for morality.
You have no absolute standard if right and wrong.
If you do, share what it is.
The above?

Is neither an argument in support of, nor evidence for, a god.

You lose by default: your god is still not real.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178428 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You are missing the point.
Why do you get to define what atheism is?
Because **we** are **atheists**.

You are not.

You do not get to define the word we use to describe ourselves.

For one thing?

You clearly have no clue what "atheist" means...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178429 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
A lack of belief is a knowledge claim. You are claiming there is no evidence, which is a position.
You are not neutral.
If there **is** evidence?

PRESENT IT, AND WIN THE NOBEL PRIZE.

Can you do it?

No?

Hmmmmm....

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178430 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
And you know that absolutely how?
You are **not** special.

For one thing?

You are quite hateful in your attitude.

That right there? Pretty much means that any god you claim to represent is also hateful...

.... hmmmm.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178431 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
Negative or positive is irrelevant.
Correct: that would be YOU.

Do you have **ANY** evidence to prove your god-claim?

No?

Interesting. By **default**?

Your claim is therefore false.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178432 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Who decided your moral standards?
The above?

Is neither an argument in support of, nor evidence for, a god.

You lose by default: your god is still not real.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178433 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
So you cannot have parents if free will us real?
Parents are not Ultimate Creators of the Universe.

Parents are not omniscient.

Parents are not omnipowerful.

So, yes-- you can have parents and free will.

But you cannot have a **god** who is omni-X.

Such a being would eliminate all possibility of choice-- who can go against an omnipowerful god, who has already seen **the** future?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178434 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try.
Are your unicorns omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and have actually engaged with man throughout recorded history?
Nice try.

Do you have **facts** showing your god is real?

No?

Interesting. By **default**, your god-claim is therefore false.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178435 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
And you think you have a deep knowledge of the bible?
I think you confuse intentional skepticism with actual knowledge.
Far deeper than you, obviously.

Proof?

You still **believe** the bible...

...!!!

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178436 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Anger at God does not mean He does not exist.
Fear of god does not make him any more real.

Just as fear of the "boogyman" does not make that real, either.

Your fear is showing.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178437 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
How can morality predate God?
Because your god-claim is fiction, invented by very lazy people who were deeply afraid of the Out There, beyond the campfire's light.

So these cowardly, lazy first-priests fabricated a god-beast to "explain" things, and to give them dubious "comfort" when they cowered under the animal skins someone gave them out of pity.

For these first-priests were too lazy, too cowardly, to fend for themselves-- they had to coerce people to do it **for** them.

And the racket known as "religion" was invented--it's been stealing money, goods and services from humanity ever since.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178438 Sep 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
The old Santa Claus argument.
Correct.

Santa Claus is **exactly** as likely as your god-claim.

The two are **exactly** the same sort of belief:

100%**not** supported by **anything**.

If you **had** proof?

YOU WOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT BY NOW, AND WON THE NOBEL PRIZE.

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