Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#177513 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Definition of belief (n)
Bing Dictionary
be·lief
[ bi l&#63484;f ]
1.acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty
2.trust: confidence that somebody or something is good or will be effective
3.something that somebody believes in: a statement, principle, or doctrine that a person or group accepts as true
This is all true 3 for 3. For the very simple reason. You can not prove there was no creator of The Universe, even harder to prove no creator of Earth or humanity. With the limits of what is humanity on Earth in regards to time. We are now starting to put together plans make Mars habitable. Your claims of facts are just what you believe, and when get emotional about it and support them as you do, as mentioned above in definition #1. You don't feel the yearn though? If you do, you will move on, if not. You really should find better hobbies than this, your time is very limited.
"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed"

As you can plainly see it's your job to prove there IS a creator of the universe. I don't know why people like you insist on using this dishonest and sleazy tactic. Most likely because you realize that you have no proof and try and create a smokescreen by asking someone to prove a negative. Bertrand Russel's celestial teapot should have put an end to this dishonest and ignorant tactic.

When the definition reads "acceptance of the truth of something." it means that there is ONLY one kind of truth. A truth is something that is INDISPUTABLY then case. It's indisputable because there is scientific evidence that makes whatever it is, true. A belief is NOT truth, unless of course that truth is supported by science.

Since: Jun 13

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#177515 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Until you could prove it, it is a belief with faith, not a fact. I don't argue, I know neither of us could prove to the other their belief. The line was used in so many Turner Classic Movies, and please don't ask me to name them "A true agnostic is hard to find." That and a atheist, that does not care enough to address us here. Are the exceptions of people without faith or belief. In regards to this hobby. Your soulless time is too limited. I am sorry to read you don't yearn. Perhaps it is like exercise. If you ignore working on a muscle it could go away. I have read this theory. Are you familiar with alternate theories or do you pretend for purposes of jargon. You select your course due to your purpose. To feel the need to spread your belief, and tell me it is not a religion. That is devious.
The big bang has been accepted as fact because it has been proven as fact. I do believe in science and I do have faith in science, but not in the religious sense. There are two definitions for faith for that reason.

The things that I believe are not a religion. They are the complete opposite of the definition of religion. It is beyond me that you can act so pompous as to pretend that you can change the definition of a word just to suit your purpose on here. I am familiar with different theories yes. I am not a scientist, nor do I claim to be. Some of this post doesn't make sense to me when I read it because your punctuation is placed badly I think. I don't understand what you mean when you say that you're sorry that I don't yearn.... what does this mean exactly?

Also, if it is devious for me to share my thoughts, and what I believe in then it is the same on your part. I do not have a religion, again I will explain, because they have no similarities with the definition of religion. You are ignoring the definition to fulfill your purpose of trying to insult me.

I don't feel the need to spread my thoughts (as you put it)...that is why I come to an atheist thread where there are people who share my thoughts and opinions and beliefs... you on the other had are on a mission to share yours which is why you are on a thread where people do not share your beliefs, thoughts and opinions.

If you feel that this "hobby" is a waste of time for you then you should do something more enjoyable with your time. As for me, I do things that make me happy, and although there are some people on here that make me feel emotions that are not always joyful, I am still, very much, a happy person. I'm sorry if you are not.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#177516 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I'm not death. Why would you be afraid of me?
Your fear is your own mortality. When that final check out time comes. When any and all ties to this world will cease absolutely. No tomorrow to wake up to. No plans,dreams, or hopes. No worry about bills, appointments, progeny or anything.
ALL GONE. Totally evaporated as you make that very last conscious thought
Even if you go into that imagined eternal sleep, you won't know it when you get there. A lot of final thoughts. They won't be good. You evolved to survive to the bitter end. It won't be like going to sleep for the night.
The thing is "you" may still exist and will be homeless, lost, and alone.
If you're thinking of delving into the horror story genre....don't. I doubt you could scare anyone but a 6 year old....or a theist. People who go around bothering little children usually wind up behind bars....be very careful, or just stfu.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#177517 Sep 16, 2013
RayOne wrote:
The atheists feel left out of getting fair time. They should worship their own way on their own day. The Devil is dancing with the prospect.
Save it for Halloween, you dress up any way you wish and dance all you please.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#177518 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I did not take your comment in regards to how David Nelson would view Muslims was in that nature, I found it to be the exact opposite.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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All of these Topix atheist regulars just flat never grew up. Emotionally they are all still stuck in their adolescence.
That second link I posted did a good job of describing them.

I am a topix regular. I'm not still stuck in my adolescence. So the comment that I posted was to make a point that you cannot put a judgement on a group of people just because you meet some that you don't like.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#177519 Sep 16, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed.... or celestial spheres?
LOL!
... wait, there's more idiocy:
power crystals
crystal healing
crystal seeing
pyramid power
ley lines
ouija boards
out-of-body projection
far seeing
...
... and last but not least? Goat staring.
<LMAO>
ROFL! O.K., as long as we only stare at the goats, if you yell at them, sometimes they faint. Enough people have swooned from mystical/pseudo science/religion as it is.

Uhhh, I'm far sighted....does that count?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#177520 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Thank you I didn't watch it all but the Earth and humanity is just too many miracles. I'd go into details but you just see things as you do.
IOW, golly gee whilickers....I don't understand that stuff, geez, I'll bet'cha.....GODDIDIT!

Do you feel better now?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#177521 Sep 17, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Thank you I didn't watch it all but the Earth and humanity is just too many miracles. I'd go into details but you just see things as you do.
Point is you cannot go into the details EVER - because you're creationist liars with no proof of anything.

Tricksters fraudsters with no hope of salvation even if your cult was true.

By now you have committed so many falsehoods, its a joke to see you still here.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#177522 Sep 17, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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No, you guys do have very bad comprehension skills. I think in part it's because you life in a make believe scenario.
Says the cowardly idiot who cannot prove the god he hallucinates and claims is the answer to the entire universe.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#177523 Sep 17, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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This is in response to David Nelson being critical of the Atheist here in this discussion. I think it is nice of us, not to place these atheist with atheist we meet, or other atheist. We are being fair with those we meet taking them for their word instead of treating them like these dishonest meatballs here. It would be wrong of use to assume all atheist have the reading comprehension of these pin heads, and just babble on pointlessly.
Everytime a creationist posts here and doesn't post proof of god, they are showing theit stupidity.

Because most the time they want to tell people what to do and how to behave:

eg. go to hell, dont get married, keep slaves!

all those things your cult introduced and ALL without proof.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

And correct your book while you are at it - atheists are NOT fools.

Creationists are just LIARS.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#177524 Sep 17, 2013
Hitler was catholic NOT atheist.

Atheism says nothing about mass murder so creationist LIE again.

They try and lie about atheism being a religion when its NOT.

They try and slander atheist that show up the falsehood of their cult here.

And WHEN THEY FAIL. They troll troll troll.

And THEY STILL FAIL!

We could give you a long list of all the failed creationist trolls on this forum:

Educated What
Grameen Ferox
everyday
Nanoanomaly
Lil Ticked,
Buck Crick
Robert Stevens
Lincoln (LCN)
to name but a few...

One after another, these creationist scum have been taken out on this forum.

We've seen all the patterns, just give it up and get real jobs.

Your cult is full of sh*t and always has been.
followerofSatan

Chicago, IL

#177525 Sep 17, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Hitler was catholic NOT atheist.
Atheism says nothing about mass murder so creationist LIE again.
They try and lie about atheism being a religion when its NOT.
They try and slander atheist that show up the falsehood of their cult here.
And WHEN THEY FAIL. They troll troll troll.
And THEY STILL FAIL!
We could give you a long list of all the failed creationist trolls on this forum:
Educated What
Grameen Ferox
everyday
Nanoanomaly
Lil Ticked,
Buck Crick
Robert Stevens
Lincoln (LCN)
to name but a few...
One after another, these creationist scum have been taken out on this forum.
We've seen all the patterns, just give it up and get real jobs.
Your cult is full of sh*t and always has been.
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2045/hitleratch...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#177526 Sep 17, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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..... We are being fair with those we meet taking them for their word instead of treating them like these dishonest meatballs here. It would be wrong of use to assume all atheist have the reading comprehension of these pin heads, and just babble on pointlessly.
This comes from a superstitious creationist.

Atheists are the moderates.

Religion = superstition
Get over it

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177527 Sep 17, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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I'm frankly surprised that your keyboard hasn't got up off its desk and said:
"F*ck this stupid creationist's fingers on my back every day. I will not be a tool aiding the broadcast of such ignorance."
I am having fun here

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177528 Sep 17, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"You self delusion and davesworld antic pants have no baring on my memory but you are free to delusion yourself as much as your emotional outbursts can stand"
You really want to show your ass. And you do. You also left out a comma and a period in that sentence. You also started it off wrong. Should have been "Your" instead of "you".
"I don’t care what or where you developed you godbit make believe. And you have no idea of my intellectual understanding of atheism, that my deal little fool is the whole concept of atheism that the godbot will never understand, it is not the structured religion of godbotism but it is the individual understanding of individuals."
Again, you instead of your preceding godbit, which should have been your usual godbot.
My "deal little fool"?
Missing comma. Two, actually.
"Intelligent man? Obviously does not take after you then? Are you sure you are the father? It is said that DNA testing is showing considerably less genetic link between the claimed father and the child than was supposed. Was you wife a naught girl?"
She could be quite a "naughty" girl. But he is mine.
"What emotional issues, you keep guessing based on you own projection but you never – ever offer any substantiation of your outlandish comments."
Is that one or two sentences? Plus missing a comma.
"Your deliberate ignorance certainly does show"
Missed your period?
"You don’t seem you understand the concept of debate, you make the claim that a mythical entity exists, it is therefore up you to substantiate that claim, or shut up about it"
? You missed a second period?
"Not me trying to prove anything, Einstrien did a pretty good job of that with E=MC^2"
Uh oh. You missed three periods. Oh, you also disrespected your god, there.
"Why do you have a fascination with my ass?"
Because you have it in everyone's face.
Fumble fingers and scattered brains. But you got a fine ass.
Your uncontrolled lust and wishful thinking is just that, uncontrolled lust and wishful thinking.

Since how long have you been qualified to diagnose dyslexia? Oh hang on a moment, you have claimed in the past to be an engineer, not a doctor. So this of course explains your ignorance.

And how long have you been on the payroll of the grammar and spelling police? What… WHAT… you mean you do it for free, jezus christ on a crutch, how pathetic.

It seems that you have nothing objective to moan about so you choose to take the p|ss out of disability. Although you may not realise it this is the perfect example of your deliberate ignorance. You may be interested to know that it was your type of ignorant attitude that drove me from the church. Well done.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177529 Sep 17, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I find it comical when people think they are getting to someone when in all actuality they have no point. Dave here thinks he has some sort of special powers. I personally think he's bipolar. One minute he can't stop talking about death and hell, and the next minute he's talking about loving woman's asses. However, you're right... he in general is not funny at all, he's actually quite depressing.
He certainly does not have the best of personalities and you are perhaps correct in the assessment of him being bi polar but personally I think it’s just living in davesworld that is turning him into a raving lunatic.

I have been on topix close on 3 years now and in the past it was possible to have a reasonable (if sometimes distinctly odd) conversation with him. His mental deterioration means those days are long gone.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177531 Sep 17, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Thank you I didn't watch it all but the Earth and humanity is just too many miracles. I'd go into details but you just see things as you do.
This is the asme thing people used to say about thunder and lightning, and eclipses of both the sun and moon.

For EVERY event attributed to God or any other mystical power, science has ALWAYS stepped forward and given the correct explanation. If you want to play this game of "it's so complex and I can't understand it so God must have done it, then your God becomes an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance. When science finally achieves abiogenesis, and they will, another God answer will be pushed aside by science, just as so many in the past have been pushed aside.

Since: Sep 08

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#177532 Sep 17, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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If you're thinking of delving into the horror story genre....don't. I doubt you could scare anyone but a 6 year old....or a theist. People who go around bothering little children usually wind up behind bars....be very careful, or just stfu.
Not a horror story, sweetness, it is hard scientific fact.

When your consciousness is aware the end is here it is going to go bananas. Spurious signals caused by neural network failures will disrupt your thinking process. That is just a fact from the materialist view of existence and consciousness. We know that from making machines.

The body can be totally disconnected, but there is a lot of activity going on in your head. Your higher level consciousness, your awake human functioning brain shuts down and your deeper consciousness kicks in, Just like going to sleep or knocked out. But instead of that brain having memories formed, or blocked, when you wake up you will be stuck with it until it is all gone. You can consider it your emotional center. Your will to live, your base existential engine without the waking consciousness controlling it.

The brain and increased consciousness and awareness is built outwards. This may be the secret to the religious experience, a phenomenon where the human brain makes a connection to the basic brain and writes a peaceful exit if not preparing for a new spiritual journey.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#177533 Sep 17, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Your uncontrolled lust and wishful thinking is just that, uncontrolled lust and wishful thinking.
Since how long have you been qualified to diagnose dyslexia? Oh hang on a moment, you have claimed in the past to be an engineer, not a doctor. So this of course explains your ignorance.
And how long have you been on the payroll of the grammar and spelling police? What… WHAT… you mean you do it for free, jezus christ on a crutch, how pathetic.
It seems that you have nothing objective to moan about so you choose to take the p|ss out of disability. Although you may not realise it this is the perfect example of your deliberate ignorance. You may be interested to know that it was your type of ignorant attitude that drove me from the church. Well done.
What an emotion based response.

Where is that cold hard objective analytic thinking, lovey?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177534 Sep 17, 2013
Verbam wrote:
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I'll admit that you sound gay …. so you need to stay away from decent people.
Okay-- I accept that you are 100% gay-- likely you dress as a woman in your spare time.

In the gay community, you would be called a queen.

I **get** that already.

But, again, I have no problem with your lifestyle.

Enjoy!

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