Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#177447 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Topix atheists.
They think it is great sport getting on here and telling theists they are stupid for believing in an afterlife, that they are weak and scared.
Whistling by the graveyard.
What a joke.
On them.
Those agonizing and terrifying final moments they will go through. Their tough guy consciousness will be the very first thing to go.
Oh, yeah, dying is just like going sheepy night night. Oh, here I go into my eternal sleep. It's been fun. I've done so much. If those theists only knew how easy it was.
For nothing.
You can wake up from nightmares.
Sheer shrieking terror no one but themselves will hear.
Momma Nature and evolution shuts your body off, then she shuts off your physical brain.
I'm not laughing at them.
You're stupid.

YAY!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177448 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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A Church = religion. A God = Theist. You can have a religion without a God.
Then you would be ignoring the classic description of religion, especially when having conversations with Christians or theists. RELIGION-----"The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God or Gods."

Since you are a Christian then this description of religion applies directly to you.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#177449 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Those that don't agree with your belief.
Really? When did I do that?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177450 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I thought you posted you were about 42 some time back.
Thirty three is pretty young yet. Too young to know what you think you know.
However, enjoy it while you can. Women have about 20 years of being pretty blossoms, then they fade rapidly. They need plenty of plastic and artificial coloring to maintain those petals. While one may be inclined to brave thorns to pick a fresh rose, that inclination to smell it, much less to pick it, drops rapidly. Especially since the thorns get harder and sharper while those petals fall apart.
You have about 5 years left of lower maintenance. There will be no magic to change that.
After that is when your real intellectual ability starts to develop. You will be less distracted by those passing by to take a sniff, unless you have money hanging on those thorns, and much more time to consider just what living is.
Start working on dulling those thorns.
You have to have a poetic soul, which takes time to develop, to understand what I was portraying there, and how it relates to the living process. Birth, growth, breeding, watching what is happening, and leaving the scene. Humans and plants do the same thing.
Relax, your youth and energy scares me more than the thorns. I almost remember being like that once upon a time. As you start wilting you are more loathe to waste energy.
Yup was a typo – 43 – My humblest apologies, I don’t notice these things unless my WP puts a line underneath.

So what you are saying is that I am past my best but still as good as ever and my intellectual ability has been growing for 5 years or so. Thanks for that.

What is a soul? What is a poetic soul? Do you have any substantiation to show such a thing exists? Or are you confusing soul with intellect? This is not really surprising considering the constrained conditions you impose on yourself. Davesworld is doing your intellect something quite disturbing. Please try and get well soon.

Just because you are getting flabby and saggy is down to you, stop projecting your delusion onto others

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#177451 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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All of these Topix atheist regulars just flat never grew up. Emotionally they are all still stuck in their adolescence.
That second link I posted did a good job of describing them.
I can't wait for Santa to come.

Ohboyohboyohboy!

Since: Jun 13

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#177452 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>It isn't an "atheist forum". It is a forum where there is a discussion about of atheism requires as much faith as religion.

You may believe there is no afterlife. Others do.

Why are you on here saying they are stupid and interfering with your life for believing there is? Why are you on here to reshape the vast majority of the world to your very limited and uninspirational view of existence?

I am here to point out what an obnoxious idiot you are.
You just pointed out what an obnoxious idiot you are... I'm not the one talking about how everyone's gonna die lol... That also doesn't have anything to do with the topic of the thread...soooo that being said, I do believe this makes you not only an obnoxious idiot, but also a depressing one.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177453 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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An origin without a creator for starts. The list goes on, but this one in itself is enough.
You DO have trouble defining words don't you. There is a big difference between FAITH and TRUST. I personally don't have faith in anything, I have trust in things, I will grant trust to others, but faith is gullibility.

You have FAITH in a creator being, FAITH because you have no evidence. Even worse, you have a preconceived notion about the origins of the universe which eliminates any other possibilities, just NOT very intelligent or open minded.

I am not afraid to admit that I do NOT know the origins of the universe, point being no one on the face on the planet for the past 200,000 years has known. I do TRUST cosmologist and astrophysicists to supply me with information about some of the possible caused for the origins of the universe. With science I have INFORMATION, you have NO INFORMATION, and base your views on the origins of the universe on......well on NOTHING other than FAITH.

When extremely ill do you stay home and rely on FAITH to cure you, or do you hurry off to the nearest hospital and TRUST medical science to help you? There are parents now in prison because they chose option #1, and sat and watched their child die and agonizing death. FAITH is not only gullibility but it is also dangerous. Shame on you for being gullible!!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#177454 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>The knowledge you spread, eh?

Sounds like a messiah or elitist thing.

Poly, you haven't learned anything to pass on to others that they should bank their existence on. There is absolutely nothing inspiring about your existential view. Totally dead end. You may have this illusion about it leading to the betterment of mankind, this Utopian vision of the future through what you consider "proper" education, but the fact is people will be people and you are just farting into the wind with your particular religion. And that is just what it is.
Atheism is not a religion. Look up the definitions and stop following just what other people say.
followerofSatan

Chicago, IL

#177455 Sep 16, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You DO have trouble defining words don't you. There is a big difference between FAITH and TRUST. I personally don't have faith in anything, I have trust in things, I will grant trust to others, but faith is gullibility.
You have FAITH in a creator being, FAITH because you have no evidence. Even worse, you have a preconceived notion about the origins of the universe which eliminates any other possibilities, just NOT very intelligent or open minded.
I am not afraid to admit that I do NOT know the origins of the universe, point being no one on the face on the planet for the past 200,000 years has known. I do TRUST cosmologist and astrophysicists to supply me with information about some of the possible caused for the origins of the universe. With science I have INFORMATION, you have NO INFORMATION, and base your views on the origins of the universe on......well on NOTHING other than FAITH.
When extremely ill do you stay home and rely on FAITH to cure you, or do you hurry off to the nearest hospital and TRUST medical science to help you? There are parents now in prison because they chose option #1, and sat and watched their child die and agonizing death. FAITH is not only gullibility but it is also dangerous. Shame on you for being gullible!!
worst part is, we had trust in our educational system to educate dimwits like robert stevens and it failed us, unless he was homeschooled....
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177456 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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The Atheist that post here are really a left behind group. The strangest part of them is they create their own Universe, one in which you either think 100% this way or 100% the other way.
Let me educate you on how reality operates. Either something is 100% true, or it's not. There is NO in-between when dealing with truth. Either werewolves exist or they don't. There is not an almost werewolf. The ONLY methodology to determine if something is 100% true, is science. At this moment in time science tells us that there is a 100% certainty that no werewolves exist. When science discovers information that makes it possible for werewolves to exist then, the we are still not 100% sure that werewolves exist, only that there is a possibility. When science does discover an actual werewolf and can examine and test it, then at that time we will be 100% certain that werewolves exist. See how that works?
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177457 Sep 16, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
<quoted text>
worst part is, we had trust in our educational system to educate dimwits like robert stevens and it failed us, unless he was homeschooled....
Yes, Robert failed all of his science and biology classes miserably. And he unfortunately never understood how logic, reason and skepticism works, sad in deed.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177458 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Because someone did ask me politely to answer this post, I will. I all ready have but not directly to this post. Dr Michael Newton wrote two books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. With in those two books Atheism and a few other religious groups are not only capable of contacting their souls, it is dangerous for them to partake in a Past Life Regression or any other exercise that contact with the soul could be achieved. I would tell you to read The Power of Now. But the answer to your question is "no" I could only prove this to myself, as many others have. I do honestly believe there are thought possessing creatures such as humans in this universe and others that do not have souls. Proving one has a soul is just for the person that follows exercises. The person that recognizes a yearning feeling.
I request people spare me the lemons because I was asked to answer this. It is clearly off topic.
In these books that seem to dwell on the mythical concept of a soul and written by a ‘Doctor’ who uses unproven and non scientific claims of spiritualism as a basis for his books to me seems like the perfect grounding for the true atheist hater to make BS up about concepts he is incapable of comprehending. The books you mention are no better than novels or self serving self help mumbo jumbo with nothing relevant in the authorship being based on fact. However I would assume that Dr Michael Newton is chuckling at the size of his bank account that you so lovingly and dedicatedly help to bolster.

Proof to yourself, concocted in you own mind and based on indoctrinated belief rather than evidence and fact is not proof, it is belief. This is a failing of may christians, in misrepresenting the meaning of words to suite their own ideas. Truth, proof, morality, theory, evidence, church etc are all words that christians tend to get wrong, either deliberately or ignorantly. So I will repeat my statement.“An unprovable falsehood based on the superstition of bronze age man and a god child based on terrorism and lies is not the way to go, it may suite your limited comprehension of life but that’s up to you.”

The points being that there is no evidence of souls other than in the belief of certain individuals. Also atheism is based on fact whereas spiritualism/religion is based on mythology and faith. You are perfectly entailed to hold your belief in mythology and fail but that does not give you the right to lie about what you don’t understand

Note the topic was the topic you raised, I responded to your post and yet you are hiding behind excuses in your response? Why is this?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177459 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/hey-a theists-just-shut-up-please
Real atheists hate Topix atheists. Don't think much of them, anyhow.
You really have no concept of what atheism is do you?

Because you are limited by your belief in deity you make the automatic assumption that atheists have the same limitation.

Maybe you have never considered the concept of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, it seems you are trying to impose you own limitations, make believe and lies on others. Must be something indoctrinated in godbots from birth and in daveswolders from the moment they are first clouted around the head with a heavy babble.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177460 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
An origin without a creator for starts. The list goes on, but this one in itself is enough.
Yes, it’s a start, do you have any evidence of such creator?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177461 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
The Atheist that post here are really a left behind group. The strangest part of them is they create their own Universe, one in which you either think 100% this way or 100% the other way.
Wrong, more godbot lies?

Certainly the observable universe has existed for almost 14 billion years, this is fact, not something created on a religious whim by atheists.

The average person (this includes atheist) understands that every person thinks and believes their own thoughts. The problem occurs when godbots try and impose their 100% or nothing on those average people.

What it really boils down to is intolerance of christians and those in some other faiths, particularly the abrahamic faiths of anything they don’t personally like.

This is the very reason why there are now over 200 different versions of the babble and around 40,000 different sects of christianity, each believing it is there own sect that is correct and all others are wrong.

So tell me, how long have you been lying for your god?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177462 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
All of these Topix atheist regulars just flat never grew up. Emotionally they are all still stuck in their adolescence.
That second link I posted did a good job of describing them.
Do you actually realise why you are disliked so much?

Could it be that you lie for a god that you cannot show exists?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177463 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
No Atheism is a religion and you should catch up on things.
Like not collecting stamps is a hobby – right?

Why is it always the most fervent godbots that lie so much?

Do you actually realise that abrahamic religions teach that satan is the father of lies? Tell me, how lomg have you been worshipping you god satahn?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177464 Sep 16, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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On the contrary... there are people who say that they are atheists who have decided to have a building that they call a church. That does not make atheism a religion, that means that the people who are wanting to have an atheist church have ignored the definition of religion and decided to do whatever it is that they want to do. No different than christian's making up their own rules, and branching off from Catholic, to church of christ, to baptist. The problem is that the definition of religion is completely contradictory to the definition of Atheism so anyone who tries to say that atheism is a religion is being clearly dishonest.
And RS is clearly dishonest in the name of his god

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#177465 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Topix atheists.
They think it is great sport getting on here and telling theists they are stupid for believing in an afterlife, that they are weak and scared.
Whistling by the graveyard.
What a joke.
On them.
Those agonizing and terrifying final moments they will go through. Their tough guy consciousness will be the very first thing to go.
Oh, yeah, dying is just like going sheepy night night. Oh, here I go into my eternal sleep. It's been fun. I've done so much. If those theists only knew how easy it was.
For nothing.
You can wake up from nightmares.
Sheer shrieking terror no one but themselves will hear.
Momma Nature and evolution shuts your body off, then she shuts off your physical brain.
I'm not laughing at them.
WTF have you got against freedom of expression?

People can die in many way, some more painful than others, but it’s good of you to poke fun at death

But every one else is laughing at you.
LCNLin

United States

#177466 Sep 16, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Then you would be ignoring the classic description of religion, especially when having conversations with Christians or theists. RELIGION-----"The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God or Gods."
Since you are a Christian then this description of religion applies directly to you.
straw-man his favorite fallacy?

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