Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176450 Sep 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Funny Dave, seriously.
We know the exact figure really , you can chill something to 2.7 degrees above absolute zero, at that temperature you cannot remove the remaining kinetic energy of the atoms or particles.
That is the ground state of energy the lowest reduction possible , because to do so you would have to defeat the uncertainty principle and all known quantum effects.
But when you get to the punchline, "We are designed." you lost a cohesive narrative. I mean it's like giving the directions for cooking rice. And the saying.......
Bring 3 cups water to boil, add 1 cup rice, add butter and salt,
let come to boil, stir rice once, reduce heat and cover.
The sky may turn purple.
Brilliant!

"The sky may turn purple."

Efing brilliant satire!

And **exactly** correct.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176451 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Ye, of poor reading comprehension, not only have I admitted I could give you no argument. I have pointed out to you the argument can not begin and why. I tell you we can't have the argument because we lack the knowledge for it, and you start bobbing. Little Red Bobbing Hood fits you so good.
Not one argument in the above. Not one.

But lots and LOTS of HATE SPEECH-- nothing but personal attack and invective.

Your continued display of hate is astounding-- or it would be, if you were not already known as a hatecultist.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176452 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I'll come back and respond to others later. I think part of the problem is they knocked The Gnostic Atheist off line. They not only gave a much better game, they did it with much better manners.
As opposed to your continued display of how deeply you hate?

How is that an improvement?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176453 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I disagree, and I believe as most scientist that discuss it on The Discovery Channel that Quantum Physics proves there is a God.
Who cares what YOU think?

You have NO ARGUMENT. None.

But you do have lots of display of your seething hate for non-theists....

... sickening.

Than god I'm not a believer like YOU.

<sarcastic irony>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176454 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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At best, they can be OK. At worst, they are pure myth. They are slightly better than most of what you get on TV because most of what you get on TV has absolutely no information content at all.
Or, in the case of Fox News?

Negative knowledge.

That is-- watching Fox News actually **reduces** the sum-totality of knowledge a person had before watching.

This has been shown to be true in acutal studies--- the proof, are the politicians backed by Fox, and the people who voted for them against their own self interests.

<snerk>

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#176455 Sep 5, 2013
CatholicHolyGhost wrote:
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Before the expert comes the fact. And the fact is that GOD always was and always will be.
It must be so terrible to go through Life without 'Faith'. What's the use of doing anything. Why not just die off anyways if you think there is no GOD. No use in hanging around. Yes!!!
“It must be quite galling for religious people to see atheists like me going about their business without a shred of guilt or self-loathing, and not in the least inclined to pray or to do penance of any kind, and not in the slightest bit worried about any form of eternal punishment. I have to admit if I was religious I'd probably think to myself: "How come I've got all this weight on my shoulders while these bums are getting a free ride?" – Condell

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#176457 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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You say this, but no one invest more time talking about figurative realism, than the online Atheist. I am sorry but I just don't buy what you say. Why do you invest your time trying to talk me out of believing Atheism is a religion, while you don't address The Churches of Atheism? I think the answer is obvious. Ok you could start bobbing now.
If there is a religion within atheism ,I do not know about it. But it is true Stalin and others created pseudo-religions out of atheism, but those philosophies are far and away from the American boys around here. I just do not believe there is any evidence that rings true for your bible god to have ever existed. It is however a great way for the Jews to rule over your mind. And play you like a violin, which they have done expertly and are living off your tax money and Americas might, without America, Tel Aviv cannot exist. But can you truly tell me if Tel Aviv is a symbiont or is it a parasite? Riddle me this
Robert Stevens. Because I think its got it's claws in you and is sucking your blood, and giving nothing back. Guess why? Because you have bought into the book of lies.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#176458 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Quantum mechanics *is* mainstream physics.
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Simple, but wrong. Matter is in space, so space and matter can be in the same place. there is no exclusion between the two.
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I don't. I believe in verified physical results like those in quantum mechanics.
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Wrong.
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irrelevant.
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Wrong, and wrong.
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irrelevant. Atoms move by exchanging particles associated with the forces.
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Amazing how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. None of this is even close to being correct.
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Wrong.
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While 'easy', this is all very wrong. And easily shown to be wrong by simple experiments. It isn't even approximately correct, like classical physics. newton would have been able to show you are wrong.
You do realize that 'static' formulas typically involve time, right?
The that sticks out here to me is this.

"Space and matter can't occupy the same volume."

What? Um "Space IS the volume" and matter occupies it or not.
But there is no space or any volume of it , we know of... not occupied by at least some matter . No matter how sparse the matter is.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176459 Sep 5, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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it was certainly nice of you to try it on for size
http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a9...
Didn't have to. Could tell at a glance it was too small.

Did it work for you?

Oh, yes. It did. I forgot.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176460 Sep 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Matter and space can't occupy the same volume if they came from the same source. Now, they can after a fashion if the matter is knit from space. That would make "matter" 3D.
You need to adjust your intuitions because they are leading you away from the truth. Space is inside matter and matter exists in space. The 'source' is irrelevant.
You don't realize how incomplete some of those statements you make are.
Oh, the ironies!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176461 Sep 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The that sticks out here to me is this.
"Space and matter can't occupy the same volume."
What? Um "Space IS the volume" and matter occupies it or not.
But there is no space or any volume of it , we know of... not occupied by at least some matter . No matter how sparse the matter is.
Exactly. Strange ideas and intuitions with no basis in reality. Such is Dave.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176462 Sep 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The that sticks out here to me is this.
"Space and matter can't occupy the same volume."
What? Um "Space IS the volume" and matter occupies it or not.
But there is no space or any volume of it , we know of... not occupied by at least some matter . No matter how sparse the matter is.
Space is a volume not occupied by matter.

The space was created with the makings of matter.

Picture a stream of space forming a spinning ball. It has pi to deal with. The ball is bigger than the volume of the stream of space it is formed from. But it's axis pulls in other space on one pole and out the other. This forms matter and its combos.

Matter fluffs space up as it is formed, increasing volume. Expanding space. The motion of space bangs against the walls of what the universe was formed in, expanding the universe.

For space and matter to occupy the same "space", then "space" has to be a complete void. Then you will have no volume. No nothing.

It's a seed that turned into a plant. Or an embryo that is still growing.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176463 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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You need to adjust your intuitions because they are leading you away from the truth. Space is inside matter and matter exists in space. The 'source' is irrelevant.
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Oh, the ironies!
That space within matter is volume. You can measure it. Matter is like a web or a knit formed within the larger volume that space fills. Its like a foam.

Space is not a void. It is a something formed with the universe. It's a binder holding the universe together. You can't pop into a void. That is like blowing a soap bubble into deep space vacuum, only with less effect.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176464 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Exactly. Strange ideas and intuitions with no basis in reality. Such is Dave.
Intuitions were built into us since the universe began. We are made of it and its organization.

It is how we survived.

It has to be trained out of you.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176465 Sep 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Ego rant noted.
As is your continued display of your hate for me-- your attempt to belittle me near the end is evidence of how much you hate me.
Sad, really.
You can't deny it, if you are right. That sucks. Thank God you are not.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176466 Sep 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So you are simply in it to display how much you hate?
Okay-- that certainly fits your style.
Your continued attempt to belittle me, as a person, is noted.
And is more evidence of how deep your hate for me is.
Sad.
Nothing hateful about it your comprehension skills are terrible. You should be happy about that. I think there is a chance you do have a soul, but you just fail to comprehend that. If I am right you have reason to celebrate. You've read my claims you know yourself, and are without a soul. Your response was normal calling me a hater. I think the same of you when you suggest it to me. But I do know otherwise.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176467 Sep 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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More personal attack of me.
More proof of how deep your hate for me is.
Sad, really.
Really, you are too funny.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176468 Sep 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It's a hobby of mine-- so what?
All you do?
Is go on **personal** attack of **me**.
You **never****ever** attack my **ideas**...
... why?
Oh! Because you hate me so?
That seems to be it...
You are too much. Your ideas of God and The Universe sucks. You should be very happy you can't prove anything. You are more entertaining than the rest of your sort.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176469 Sep 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Not one argument in the above. Not one.
But lots and LOTS of HATE SPEECH-- nothing but personal attack and invective.
Your continued display of hate is astounding-- or it would be, if you were not already known as a hatecultist.
Sad, really.
<quoted text>
Ye, of poor reading comprehension, not only have I admitted I could give you no argument. I have pointed out to you the argument can not begin and why. I tell you we can't have the argument because we lack the knowledge for it, and you start bobbing. Little Red Bobbing Hood fits you so good.

Honestly your comprehension is worthy of satire.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176470 Sep 5, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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As opposed to your continued display of how deeply you hate?
How is that an improvement?
The Gnostic Atheist did have a much better game than you guys have. They would not ask for arguments after I clearly proved we don't have enough information for an argument. The Gnostic Atheist grew bored with you clowns, ad I could see why.

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