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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176384 Sep 4, 2013
Come to think about it a little.

The same phenomenon that causes centripetal force has to also apply on the galactic scale. It is like an acceleration of gravity.

Look at the black hole vortex spin direction, and angle, to the galactic plane, or mass density if globular. Then observe the jet and see where it comes out. This could give an indication of how the electron shells start getting stripped off. When those shells get removed you have nothing but the strong force to keep nuclei and nucleons apart. Their spin starts to get stopped and motion unwound. You have your collapsing universe, but instead of disappearing, it just sends out a stream of unwrapped space, which adds even more attraction as it creates a wake to be filled. It will appear as supergravity, or a much larger mass than it really is. Look for effects at a distance from the other side of the visible jet. Something will not be "normal" in that path. For a long ways out. Or you may wind up with a sphere with that black hole near the middle and matter reforming around its surface. See where the visible jet material goes.
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176385 Sep 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I not only believe in God or Gods, I believe in two styles of Gods.
1. The real McCoy. This is a style that does not need worshipers. Such a sort not only is in your DNA it makes adjustments. Example black American people are often afraid of dogs by nature. The Lynch Farm and other slave handlers used dogs to punish. The grand child of a victim of this abuse will avoid and possible fear dogs. There could be more than one creator/protector God. I believe Earth is a God. Or at the very least a higher form of life. Let's not leave out a good chance we were created by Extra Terrestrials. I think we are most likely a computer simulation.
2. Gods we create. The human mind is that powerful, in my opinion. I believe the power of believe has made Jesus a power that does answer prayers.
In my opinion it is clear the frequently posting online Atheist does believe in the power of the human mind also. To spread Atheism, you have to be a hater. I do respect an atheist, that just doubts. No effort to convert others. For someone like that to claim they have no faith, I would say true. Id you try to deliver anything as an answer, you have faith.
theres Nothing to convert to,dumbo,atheism aint religion!

theres no Atheism theres only atheism,,LACK of belief in gods no more no less

anyone claiming otherwise is either totaly stupid or trying to convert atheists, to your silly beliefs

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#176386 Sep 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
They can't be outside the universe. They are merely poles leading to someplace else. You just can't observe and identify the energy flow due to the models we have.
Energy and heat are two very poorly defined terms, and a primary cause for the poor model. Energy is motion, either of mass or space. Bare bones definition. The definitions you attempt to get in physics is a circular reference to measurements of energy. There is no real "face" of "energy". The same goes with heat. Heat is basically packets of that motion created by that motion encountering resistance. Kind of like water splashing, but the water is space. That space hits other space within atomic structures and vibrates it. Space itself is very much a carrier of energy. It is like an electrical ground plane providing a return path. Light is a carrier of that energy, but it is just motion wrapped up in a ball, so to speak. There is a lot of noise or undercurrents in that space ground plane, just like in an electrical one.
Those millions of degrees are apparent based upon models developed here, not actual measurements.
Black holes give out jets, links have been posted about that. That is stripping the packets of motion and sending them in one direction, but they are encountering resistance and getting wrapped back up to a degree, probably because there are bits and pieces that didn't get completely unwound and got caught in the stream. You are basically separating the "positive" and "negative". Positive is nuclei and gravity, but the nuclei is being stripped. You won't see any light coming from that, just gravity, and accelerated at that. You lose the charge that was in it. Your "negative" is the electron clouds, and they are repelling the hell out of each other, that EM force being so much stronger than gravity, and so much less mass.
Or something like that.
What cannot be is.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176387 Sep 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Essentially you're a flake if you think I need meet any standard to post here. A claim was made and I asked for proof and what I get is BS and then crickets. Still no discovery channel quantum physics professors, claiming quantum physics prove god eh?
You do meet the standard of having faith and belief. An atheist without belief or faith, would see no purpose to post here. I think in some detail it is sad you come here and represent the Atheist movement. I often wonder if the atheist I know are really closet Atheist.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176388 Sep 4, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
theres Nothing to convert to,dumbo,atheism aint religion!
theres no Atheism theres only atheism,,LACK of belief in gods no more no less
anyone claiming otherwise is either totaly stupid or trying to convert atheists, to your silly beliefs
Ye who post The Atheist verses. I agree atheism is not a religion, however Atheism is. If you don't believe, don't seek others to join you. Don't except mythology, in other words don't try to claim what has not been proven, to be fact. Except what can't be proven. Don't jump ANY science claims. In other words don't scream fact until absolutely proven. You could be a (a)theist. If you spend time bickering with theist. You are an (A)theist. There is no reason to prove to others, to sell.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176389 Sep 4, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
theres Nothing to convert to,dumbo,atheism aint religion!
theres no Atheism theres only atheism,,LACK of belief in gods no more no less
anyone claiming otherwise is either totaly stupid or trying to convert atheists, to your silly beliefs
It is this simple. Anyone attempting to convert has a belief. It does not have to be religious by plan, but in nature it does end up religious. I give you The Tea Party.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#176390 Sep 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
You do meet the standard of having faith and belief. An atheist without belief or faith, would see no purpose to post here. I think in some detail it is sad you come here and represent the Atheist movement. I often wonder if the atheist I know are really closet Atheist.
But then again your wonder had exceeded thy wondrous limitation , and reality an altogether different thing.

Reality is real no matter how you think it is. It alone remains real after all you have said and done , reality is the remainder.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176391 Sep 4, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
If you ever meet your ancestors expect to get scolded real bad about you calling them so stupid.
I never call them stupid. I say they were ignorant of many things we are aware of today. They made many mistakes, although typically not stupid ones. I'm sure we make many mistakes also.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176392 Sep 4, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
I never call them stupid. I say they were ignorant of many things we are aware of today. They made many mistakes, although typically not stupid ones. I'm sure we make many mistakes also.
"I'm sure we make many mistakes also."

Oh, really now?

So your proclamations based upon the scientific method may be in error?

Still won't keep maternal great-granny^4 from twisting your ear and lecturing you for calling her a dumb cow. Or paternal great-grandpa^2 from switching you but good for calling him dumb.

They are probably all gathering now to welcome you home.

You are in trouble, boy.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#176393 Sep 4, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Sorry, I thought you might be smart enough or resourceful enough to figure it out on your own.
The viewpoint was that the stars were small hols in the bowl letting through the light from the other side. That was the standard explanation for stars until the middle ages. They were wrong.
Sounds like a description of a colander or Spaghetti strainer. Just gets weirder and weirder. Am sure you are just regurgitating another warped interpretation of Genesis 1:6-8. A giant colander in the sky supported by pillars and the holes let the light from the stars shine through according to you. LOL! Only on Topix!
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176394 Sep 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Ye who post The Atheist verses. I agree atheism is not a religion, however Atheism is. If you don't believe, don't seek others to join you. Don't except mythology, in other words don't try to claim what has not been proven, to be fact. Except what can't be proven. Don't jump ANY science claims. In other words don't scream fact until absolutely proven. You could be a (a)theist. If you spend time bickering with theist. You are an (A)theist. There is no reason to prove to others, to sell.
LLL
when you figure a way to sell atheism let me know,ok
untill then you WILL have to accept opposing arguments to the IDIotic religitards spewing LIEs as if it was Truth,
If you dont like it dont read it..

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176395 Sep 4, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
LLL
when you figure a way to sell atheism let me know,ok
untill then you WILL have to accept opposing arguments to the IDIotic religitards spewing LIEs as if it was Truth,
If you dont like it dont read it..
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
It was your anarchistic posts on this forum.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#176396 Sep 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post, you just described all online atheist. I was trying not to bring this up, but I never meet anyone that would publicly talk like you and Little Red Bobbing Hood. I have heard many Christians say openly in public. Atheist will burn in hell. I don't say that but I would have no trouble pointing out Atheism sucks. In regards to Atheist personal life, they suck too. Thank God here is a God and I know better than you.
And what have you and "your" god talked about? What was "your" god's response, after your question? Were your prayers answered? What will be your next contact, and what will you ask of "your" god? Possibly redemption for all of your innumerable, countless, earthly Sins?
Wackosaki

Saint Paul, MN

#176397 Sep 4, 2013
God’s laughter. Psalm 2:1–4 says:

“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.”

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#176398 Sep 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Ye who post The Atheist verses. I agree atheism is not a religion, however Atheism is. If you don't believe, don't seek others to join you. Don't except mythology, in other words don't try to claim what has not been proven, to be fact. Except what can't be proven. Don't jump ANY science claims. In other words don't scream fact until absolutely proven. You could be a (a)theist. If you spend time bickering with theist. You are an (A)theist. There is no reason to prove to others, to sell.
Simply present the proof where a decedent who has knowingly gone to heaven (i.e., A Saint) who has communicated proof of this transition to a living person on planet Earth. There have been most assuredly tens of thousands of such instances. Show us all proof on just one. Now that is not asking, virtually, something hardly measurable. If you come through, you will be the first in history to do so.
EXPERT

Cottonwood, CA

#176399 Sep 4, 2013
Redoran wrote:
<quoted text>
Simply present the proof where a decedent who has knowingly gone to heaven (i.e., A Saint) who has communicated proof of this transition to a living person on planet Earth. There have been most assuredly tens of thousands of such instances. Show us all proof on just one. Now that is not asking, virtually, something hardly measurable. If you come through, you will be the first in history to do so.
Rational thought and logic are not strong points for you, are they?

Helmet + short yellow bus = Redoran

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#176400 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>I not only believe in God or Gods, I believe in two styles of Gods.

1. The real McCoy. This is a style that does not need worshipers. Such a sort not only is in your DNA it makes adjustments. Example black American people are often afraid of dogs by nature. The Lynch Farm and other slave handlers used dogs to punish. The grand child of a victim of this abuse will avoid and possible fear dogs. There could be more than one creator/protector God. I believe Earth is a God. Or at the very least a higher form of life. Let's not leave out a good chance we were created by Extra Terrestrials. I think we are most likely a computer simulation.

2. Gods we create. The human mind is that powerful, in my opinion. I believe the power of believe has made Jesus a power that does answer prayers.

In my opinion it is clear the frequently posting online Atheist does believe in the power of the human mind also. To spread Atheism, you have to be a hater. I do respect an atheist, that just doubts. No effort to convert others. For someone like that to claim they have no faith, I would say true. Id you try to deliver anything as an answer, you have faith.
I have faith in science. I actually don't understand why someone wouldn't want to use the word faith. It is not just a word for religion.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#176401 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>I understand with and agree with your statement. In regards to this conversation message tread. It is hard to discuss beliefs without getting condescending. I see this as where Atheist show they are people of faith and belief. In my opinion the biggest proof that Atheist do have faith, belief and are even religious, to a point they are fanatics and fundamentalist. Is their drive to respond, if seeing something they disagree with. I hate to say it, but you can't ever have a real conversation with them. They're just too competitive about this. The online Atheist has turned atheism into Atheism, which is a religion.
I have to disagree...I do not believe in any deities, but I also understand the definition of faith, which is simply the complete trust in something or someone... Just because I have faith in something doesn't make it a religion. I have faith that science will eventually find answers to things because science has proven to find answers to things through testing. That is different from the religious definition of faith which is having a faith in something that you cannot see, touch, smell, taste or feel. There are two definitions which are similar, but one is based on evidence and one is not. That's why I don't understand why people argue over the word. Atheism in my opinion is not a religion. It is by definition simply not having a belief in a deity.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#176402 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>I understand with and agree with your statement. In regards to this conversation message tread. It is hard to discuss beliefs without getting condescending. I see this as where Atheist show they are people of faith and belief. In my opinion the biggest proof that Atheist do have faith, belief and are even religious, to a point they are fanatics and fundamentalist. Is their drive to respond, if seeing something they disagree with. I hate to say it, but you can't ever have a real conversation with them. They're just too competitive about this. The online Atheist has turned atheism into Atheism, which is a religion.
The definition of religion even points out that atheism is not a religion. It seems cut and dry to me.
EXPERT

Cottonwood, CA

#176403 Sep 5, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
The definition of religion even points out that atheism is not a religion. It seems cut and dry to me.
'cause it is a cop out, often used by cowards that wont take a position.

You try to claim a materialist world view, but don't live your life like that. Also, that view collapses on itself.

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