Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#176427 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Typically along the spin axis of the black hole.
I find black holes very interesting.
Do you have a personal opinion on black holes that might be outside the norm?
Just curious.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#176428 Sep 5, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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You are using your own definition on "expert"
Before the expert comes the fact. And the fact is that GOD always was and always will be.

It must be so terrible to go through Life without 'Faith'. What's the use of doing anything. Why not just die off anyways if you think there is no GOD. No use in hanging around. Yes!!!

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#176429 Sep 5, 2013
Divine Alien wrote:
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Dinosaurs died and we continue on. A monkey evolved into a human and there is still some monkeys.
You actually do no understand Darwin or evolution, with that statement

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176430 Sep 5, 2013
CatholicHolyGhost wrote:
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Before the expert comes the fact. And the fact is that GOD always was and always will be.
No, that is an opinion, not a fact. Without evidence, there is no fact, and so no expert. it is the evidence that supports both.
It must be so terrible to go through Life without 'Faith'. What's the use of doing anything. Why not just die off anyways if you think there is no GOD. No use in hanging around. Yes!!!
And why would you think that? Life has meaning even without a deity: supporting those we love, learning, teaching, reading, listening or producing music, laughing, dancing, exploring, etc. None of those require belief in a deity to be meaningful experiences.

I am sad to hear that your life is so narrow that the non-existence of a deity would make you not want to live any longer. That shows a narrowness and lack of self-esteem that is, unfortunately, common among theists.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176431 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, but it might help to determine whether the rubber can withstand the forces on that belt so you can choose the best type of rubber for the job.
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Masses are not the same as gravity. masses *produce* gravity.
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So the mass is interacting with itself and losing energy through friction, so it gets closer to the central mass.
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Angular momentum is different than transverse velocity. Transverse velocity is different than angular velocity. Whatever 'wake in space' is left is minimal and is essentially gravitational waves (which have not been directly seen yet).
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No, the masses are accelerated, not the gravity.
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OK, but I would include time also.
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mass and energy are not 'knots in space'.
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Why would this happen?
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Why would this happen?
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Pure fantasy. Already, you have a wake in space, which nobody has measured. You have a vortex producing a pressure on space (how does this happen? how does space respond? why?), and a stream producing two wavefronts, one pushing and one pulling.
Go learn some physics before you claim how things must be.
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Details! We want details! What is the precise path? How much pressure is produced? How does that affect space? Glittering generalities can only go so far. At some point you have to put numbers on your hunches and see if they agree with reality.
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Why would you think that?
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Classical mechanics is *known* to be wrong in many situations. And yes, they are wrong *in the real world*.
I have no desire to be trained in your la la land physics, the place where things "just are", and mysterious things happen at random.

Argue with mainstream physics. Space as we know it was formed from the singularity that expanded. That makes it a part of the package. It ain't a nothing. Space and matter can't occupy the same volume. But space does occupy volume between the filaments of the matter that was formed. You move matter, and you move the space out of that volume. That simple.

But go ahead and believe in magic if you want to.

As space is moved matter or other space has to fill it. Remember, this all came from the same singularity. This is where inertia comes from, and where gravity comes from. The space within the atoms move the atoms. Otherwise the atoms have to be kicked in the ass to move. You will not find one single atom that can propel itself.

That wake of transverse motion adds "gravity" to the static relationship. In a spiral you will be getting a periodic boost, your gravity waves, as particles pass between the outer particles and the center. Thisis a continuous process, not a static thing you figure with the standard formula. You have to add time and that temporary "void" from the wake, plus the closing radius, AND the barycenters of ALL the particles within range. Which is all particles in the universe.

That is all turned into EM.

You think way too simply, and thus the requirement for your magic physics.

It should be very easy for a math head to put that together.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176434 Sep 5, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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you figure by spewing random nonsense about science makes it credible....the old "fling your dirty diaper around the room and hope something sticks to the wall" logic..
go and get your GED dimwit...
Do I have to know capitalization and punctuation to get one?

If not, tell me where you got yours.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176436 Sep 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> But then again your wonder had exceeded thy wondrous limitation , and reality an altogether different thing.
Reality is real no matter how you think it is. It alone remains real after all you have said and done , reality is the remainder.
You say this, but no one invest more time talking about figurative realism, than the online Atheist. I am sorry but I just don't buy what you say. Why do you invest your time trying to talk me out of believing Atheism is a religion, while you don't address The Churches of Atheism? I think the answer is obvious. Ok you could start bobbing now.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176437 Sep 5, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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theres Nothing to convert to,dumbo,atheism aint religion!
theres no Atheism theres only atheism,,LACK of belief in gods no more no less
anyone claiming otherwise is either totaly stupid or trying to convert atheists, to your silly beliefs
I completely disagree. I have said this whole time. You do know yourself and what you say will be true for yourself. I have also mentioned the books I favor would bore you, it won't be your cup of tea, as Atheism or atheism is not mine. I am called a troll for this, and perhaps that is so, but what does that make message spreading Atheist?
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176438 Sep 5, 2013
CatholicHolyGhost wrote:
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Before the expert comes the fact. And the fact is that GOD always was and always will be.
It must be so terrible to go through Life without 'Faith'. What's the use of doing anything. Why not just die off anyways if you think there is no GOD. No use in hanging around. Yes!!!
no
the knowledge that you have only this ONE Life makes it all the more Important and meaningfull,

if you think theres heaven why dont you kill yourself and go there now!

why work and strugle making a living when Heaven is waiting for you?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176439 Sep 5, 2013
Redoran wrote:
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Simply present the proof where a decedent who has knowingly gone to heaven (i.e., A Saint) who has communicated proof of this transition to a living person on planet Earth. There have been most assuredly tens of thousands of such instances. Show us all proof on just one. Now that is not asking, virtually, something hardly measurable. If you come through, you will be the first in history to do so.
The proof is all ways there you are denying it. Why? Perhaps you are without a soul and can't see it.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176440 Sep 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I have no desire to be trained in your la la land physics, the place where things "just are", and mysterious things happen at random.
Argue with mainstream physics.
Quantum mechanics *is* mainstream physics.
Space as we know it was formed from the singularity that expanded. That makes it a part of the package. It ain't a nothing. Space and matter can't occupy the same volume. But space does occupy volume between the filaments of the matter that was formed. You move matter, and you move the space out of that volume. That simple.
Simple, but wrong. Matter is in space, so space and matter can be in the same place. there is no exclusion between the two.
But go ahead and believe in magic if you want to.
I don't. I believe in verified physical results like those in quantum mechanics.
As space is moved matter or other space has to fill it.
Wrong.
Remember, this all came from the same singularity.
irrelevant.
This is where inertia comes from, and where gravity comes from. The space within the atoms move the atoms.
Wrong, and wrong.
Otherwise the atoms have to be kicked in the ass to move. You will not find one single atom that can propel itself.
irrelevant. Atoms move by exchanging particles associated with the forces.
That wake of transverse motion adds "gravity" to the static relationship. In a spiral you will be getting a periodic boost, your gravity waves, as particles pass between the outer particles and the center. Thisis a continuous process, not a static thing you figure with the standard formula. You have to add time and that temporary "void" from the wake, plus the closing radius, AND the barycenters of ALL the particles within range. Which is all particles in the universe.
Amazing how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. None of this is even close to being correct.
That is all turned into EM.
Wrong.
You think way too simply, and thus the requirement for your magic physics.
It should be very easy for a math head to put that together.
While 'easy', this is all very wrong. And easily shown to be wrong by simple experiments. It isn't even approximately correct, like classical physics. newton would have been able to show you are wrong.

You do realize that 'static' formulas typically involve time, right?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176441 Sep 5, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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The definition of religion even points out that atheism is not a religion. It seems cut and dry to me.
Take your argument to the United States government. The Churches of Atheism are respected as a religion in every detail. And you could make science a religion. Cut and dry. Period.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176442 Sep 5, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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I got mine the same place you clean the urinals at....I figure you are the one leaving the little sticky notes "CLEANED BY #3".....good job by the way....
I guess I missed a used condom left in one of them. Good to see you could put it to use. The boss would have been mad at me and fired me.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176443 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Quantum mechanics *is* mainstream physics.
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Simple, but wrong. Matter is in space, so space and matter can be in the same place. there is no exclusion between the two.
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I don't. I believe in verified physical results like those in quantum mechanics.
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Wrong.
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irrelevant.
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Wrong, and wrong.
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irrelevant. Atoms move by exchanging particles associated with the forces.
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Amazing how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. None of this is even close to being correct.
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Wrong.
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While 'easy', this is all very wrong. And easily shown to be wrong by simple experiments. It isn't even approximately correct, like classical physics. newton would have been able to show you are wrong.
You do realize that 'static' formulas typically involve time, right?
Matter and space can't occupy the same volume if they came from the same source. Now, they can after a fashion if the matter is knit from space. That would make "matter" 3D.

You don't realize how incomplete some of those statements you make are.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176444 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Actually, this is NOT what preliminary studies suggest. In fact, the studies we have right now suggest that the expansion will continue to accelerate. Dark matter isn't close to enough to stop the acceleration and cause a collapse.
Ain't science fun?

Just when we think we are about to get a handle on things?

Reality throws us a giant curve ball, and we have to re-evaluate everything once again.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176445 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Yes, and I am entitled to my perception as well as you are, yours. There is no question that my perception is far more positive than your is. If we meet on the other side, and I told you "See I told you so.". That should make you very happy. The shoe cold not be on the other foot, and that should now make you sad. You are correct the announcement you don't have a soul is trolling. Without doubt you are a troll by your very own standard.
Ego rant noted.

As is your continued display of your hate for me-- your attempt to belittle me near the end is evidence of how much you hate me.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176446 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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There goes your failed reading comprehension again. I never claimed to have an argument. No one could prove, period. We are all people of faith. Your suggestion there is an argument or debate is funny.
So you are simply in it to display how much you hate?

Okay-- that certainly fits your style.

Your continued attempt to belittle me, as a person, is noted.

And is more evidence of how deep your hate for me is.

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176447 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Your claim, that my claim, Atheism sucks =s hate.
If there was a hot dog, that I thought did not taste good and it made me sick. I would say that brand of hot dogs sucks. I would not hate the brand of hot dogs. I would avid the brand and advise others that it sucks. Such is Atheism.
Your entire sum of posts, consists of hate-speech.

The majority of what you write, is derogatory and personal attacks against the poster as a **person**.

You **never** attack the **idea**.

Even the above? You don't have any **Logic** to your attack-- just your whining about how much you **hate** it all.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176448 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I knew you hated The Church Lady. Superior Dance Time. T-Town clown to join in.
More personal attack of me.

More proof of how deep your hate for me is.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176449 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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If you had no faith you would never post in regards to religion period. You put way too much into this to make such a claim. It is why you may be the funniest blogger I have ever read. Douglas Adams eat your heart out should be your log on.
It's a hobby of mine-- so what?

All you do?

Is go on **personal** attack of **me**.

You **never****ever** attack my **ideas**...

... why?

Oh! Because you hate me so?

That seems to be it...

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