Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#176049 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Preposterous assertion, considering the bones of the hominids have no definition in this attempt to establish an ancestry without explaining them and the hundreds of thousands of years of men before the alleged Adam.
Your not into an exact science. Subject to modern assumptions and interpretation.

“There is no god!”

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#176050 Sep 1, 2013
Murgatroyd wrote:
The christian post is spreading lies

“There is no god!”

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#176051 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> LOL! Ancestry.com is a neutral site which does a type of historical investigation. Naturally someone like you who despises truth and clings to modern myth would reject these finding based on actual evidence! Actual investigation!
No truth found in that mythology

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#176052 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your not into an exact science. Subject to modern assumptions and interpretation.
Archeology isn't exact , but exacting enough that the bones speak for themselves.
When we can definitively measure the age of human bones to be 200,000 years old, we can effectively dismiss the idea of a 6,000 year lineage. That much is exact enough and not assumption like your assumption that you troglodyte science book trumps modern empirical science based on physical evidence. I find your belief to be at best laughable, and at worst ...you the subject of pity. For being so willfully ignorant to dismiss the evidence in front of your face, to cling to a proven tract of religious ignorance, that turns men into mindless morons with the beliefs born of ancient stupidity.

Since: Sep 08

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#176053 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
I just clicked on to ancestry.com for the first time and entered information on my mother's side for free. The site brought up accurate information going back to the beginning of the 1900s in a matter of seconds. Actual recorded documents which goes back to the parents of my grandparents! In a matter of seconds! Damm impressive!
I would love to check Quantum Bob's ancestry and see which hatchery he came from.

Then they can quarantine it.

Since: Sep 08

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#176054 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Archeology isn't exact , but exacting enough that the bones speak for themselves.
When we can definitively measure the age of human bones to be 200,000 years old, we can effectively dismiss the idea of a 6,000 year lineage. That much is exact enough and not assumption like your assumption that you troglodyte science book trumps modern empirical science based on physical evidence. I find your belief to be at best laughable, and at worst ...you the subject of pity. For being so willfully ignorant to dismiss the evidence in front of your face, to cling to a proven tract of religious ignorance, that turns men into mindless morons with the beliefs born of ancient stupidity.
You can not "definitively" measure. Those measurements you call that were based on relativity, with a heavy dose of presumptions thrown in.

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#176055 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Archeology isn't exact , but exacting enough that the bones speak for themselves.
When we can definitively measure the age of human bones to be 200,000 years old, we can effectively dismiss the idea of a 6,000 year lineage. That much is exact enough and not assumption like your assumption that you troglodyte science book trumps modern empirical science based on physical evidence. I find your belief to be at best laughable, and at worst ...you the subject of pity. For being so willfully ignorant to dismiss the evidence in front of your face, to cling to a proven tract of religious ignorance, that turns men into mindless morons with the beliefs born of ancient stupidity.
I just don't believe the ancients were all that stupid. I just watched a program regarding the building projects by the ancient Egyptians, for example. They still can't figure out how they did it all given their limited resources. All these written records is actual evidence far more reliable than bones and dating methods with built in assumptions which only a handful of people understand. The fact you rant and call others stupid only means your case is not all that strong because you would not have to resort to those sleaze tactics if they were. The fact remains, none of the ancients believed what the moderns do. Noah and the flood was actual history to them and you have multiple independent accounts! All the Kings of Europe can trace their ancestry back to Noah and they were all wrong and the moderns are the ones who know everything! Take it on down the road!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176056 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Dayum, that was good!!! May I borrow it sometime?
Please do.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176057 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
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In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
What created your god, then?

If you can claim "always was"?

We can apply the SAME DODGE to the universe itself: always was (in one shape or another).

An added benefit? It removes all of your god's EVIL in one go.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176058 Sep 1, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>You are an idiot!
Mathematically proven debunked.
Violates the laws of science.
That position is not held in the mainstream.
polymath257 wrote:
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Wrong. The *mainstream* of science understands that quantum events are uncaused. The *mainstream* knows that quantum mechanics is a very good description of reality, but is an acausal theory: you do not get causality of specific events, but instead probabilities of those events happening. Further, these *are* the laws of science, so they definitely do not violate the laws of science. Finally, they are mathematical descriptions, so math does not disprove them.
In other words, you are wrong about ewvery single point of your post.
Is that a new record for a godbot?

At least three (maybe four) false statements in one go?

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176059 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I just don't believe the ancients were all that stupid.
Well?

Compared to **you**, they aren't.

Compared to anyone **else** with a proper education?

That's different-- they were pretty ignorant across the board....

Since: Jun 12

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#176060 Sep 1, 2013
The ancients presupposed God is uncreated as indicated in plain English Quaalude bob. You question was answered before you asked but you lack comprehension skills.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#176061 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
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In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
And that solves what?

So now you have to explain how an incredibly powerful and intelligent entity just exists outside of time without explanation but some cause of the universe can't.

A God isn't nothing, he's a something and he does need to be explained.

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#176062 Sep 1, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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And that solves what?
So now you have to explain how an incredibly powerful and intelligent entity just exists outside of time without explanation but some cause of the universe can't.
A God isn't nothing, he's a something and he does need to be explained.
You are lacking a certain reality, He doesn't "need" to be explained. You may "feel" he needs to be explained.

However..

You are on the lower rung of the order of things.

Now, if you went out and stopped the next tornado in your locale by your demand, and it explained itself to you, let us know. But do keep in mind the universe is much bigger than that.

Where you people get your logic is a mystery.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#176063 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are lacking a certain reality, He doesn't "need" to be explained. You may "feel" he needs to be explained.
However..
You are on the lower rung of the order of things.
Now, if you went out and stopped the next tornado in your locale by your demand, and it explained itself to you, let us know. But do keep in mind the universe is much bigger than that.
Where you people get your logic is a mystery.
If God doesn't need explaining then why should the universe?
Why can't it just exist without the need for a creator God?

Claiming God doesn't need explaining isn't logic, it's just cheating.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#176064 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
The ancients presupposed God is uncreated as indicated in plain English Quaalude bob. You question was answered before you asked but you lack comprehension skills.

The ancients also supposed that bleeding the ill would let the evil spirits out that were making them sick. They thought the Earth was the center of the universe, that witches were responsible for all manner of things, that albatrosses were bad luck and all manner of stupid crap.

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#176065 Sep 1, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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If God doesn't need explaining then why should the universe?
Why can't it just exist without the need for a creator God?
Claiming God doesn't need explaining isn't logic, it's just cheating.
It boils down to if you believe there was a purpose to our creation. We ARE created, matters not how or by what.

If your life has no purpose, why do you go through the struggles? Why do you worry about the here and now and the future if it is ultimately meaningless? Gets too much and you can put yourself to eternal sleep in a hurry, you wouldn't be missing a thing except pain and anguish, right?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176066 Sep 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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At what, exactly? Be specific--- or is that too much for you?
You **do** have the propensity to wander all over the landscape, subject-wise.
... and you never manage to arrive at a...
....... point.
Online, Atheist are not even honest enough for very standard conversation. How would I trust them with lobbyist or drawing up government contracts.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#176067 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It boils down to if you believe there was a purpose to our creation. We ARE created, matters not how or by what.
If your life has no purpose, why do you go through the struggles? Why do you worry about the here and now and the future if it is ultimately meaningless? Gets too much and you can put yourself to eternal sleep in a hurry, you wouldn't be missing a thing except pain and anguish, right?
<The Dave Nelson> "Why won't people just accept my version of things?... I'm fabulous!"

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

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#176068 Sep 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Tell me ... what? Be specific-- say what you mean, don't ramble all over the landscape...
.... is that too much to ask of you?
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So what? It's a free speech forum.. people are free to indulge in whichever subject they wish.
**YOU** certainly wander all over the place, subject-wise!
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You really have no need-- I can infer your ugly beliefs from your hateful attitude, your snide remarks, your continued attempts to stalk me down and make unsavory comments about me.
That?
That says all I need to, about what you believe.
And it's not good.
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I find your comments excessive, wordy, and frankly?
Boring as hell.
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??? Make **sense** man!
YOU ARE NOTHING LIKE ME!
I don't go hunting people down, to make snide remarks about them-- but **you** do...
Answering details of your 1st half. Get me to a tread I would open up about my personal beliefs. They are just mine. Answering your last statement I do literally worship myself a piece of God is in most of us, I believe you, do know yourself you beliefs become you or vice versa. I have also all ways claimed you would never read the books I read, because they would not interest you. It's no surprise you fin my post boring. I, however find your post funny.

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