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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176142 Sep 1, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I am very happy with my beliefs. If you want to sell me a different package. Please offer something good.
Atheism, no soul. I have felt yearning. That's enough proof for me. I have a soul. I move on into another existence after this life. In my case I come back as another person.
No soul, no afterlife..... Atheism does suck. You're not throwing great parties.
Atheism sucks so much, if you could prove it, which you know you can't. I still wouldn't want to be it. If you ever did prove it as fact, and thank God you can't and it isn't. That would humanities worse day. Being slaved by Extra Terrestrials wouldn't be as bad. Spreading atheist is worse than not picking up after your dog, after deliberately giving him diarrhea. I don't think I could exaggerate about how bad atheism is. I would take any religion over it. It is unbecoming, putting it mildly.
He only offered you truth and reality.

If you can't handle it, by all means.....carry on as you are.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176143 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
He did answer the question you poor imbecile. Much better than I did, as a matter of fact.
Are you afraid that someone's having a better time than you are?
I held my 6 month old granddaughter this past weekend, she already knows her purpose. She's a happy baby most of the time and someone cares enough about her to take care of her when she's cranky. She sat in my lap and laughed at the antics of the cat. It doesn't get much better than that.
You can enjoy your family, you can love your work, or just enjoy the sound of rain when you're warm and dry in your own bed. Not enough for you? Hey, go contribute to the cure of cancer or visit someone in the hospital....you know, something more noble sounding. Whatever floats your boat;0)
When I'm dead I won't enjoy life anymore, maybe I'll be grateful for surcease of pain....who knows how it will end? I'll stick around and find out.
For someone so mellow about life you sure have an edge. It is curious you find the need to attack others for belief in the supernatural and/or an afterlife. Like I said, you will have to go through it again, and you aren't quite the virgin about it you were. But you know that.

My life story is not one of "having a good time". But it has been one of enlightenment beyond what you will get in books, religious texts included. Of course it is temporary, but I have found it richer than the banal existence of most people. That satisfies my soul here, if not other places. I haven't really missed much in life experiences except for being rich, and that would scare me. I've been as low as you can get, and comfortable and fulfilled, sometimes alternately. I have also seen more than my share of treachery from those that espoused noble ideas.

You still have some issues to resolve. I could care less about them because that is not my religion, but I do care about your condemnation of those that have a religion, as it is as much a part of their support network in life as your husband and children are to you.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176144 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The only difference between a dream and a reality is which one you wake from, sweetness.
I never heard of them, either. This was 20 years ago.
You know yours was subjective. What makes you so sure everyone else's was, too? Not to mention your absolute truth proclamation that death is just going to sleep?
Your big deal so what attitude is whistling past the graveyard. You have to go through the experience again. You just hope you are right.
I don't hit women.
That OK Davey boy.

Yes, your NDE is just as subjective as the rest of them. Those predisposed to see gods (energy, demons, allah, etc.) will see them and those not predisposed will not. Xtians don't meet allah and vice versa. No one has ever learned a skill or language that was unknown before and no one has come back with a sure fire cure for the common cold either. Too bad, I've always wanted to play the violin;0)

Those who call on their "gawd" to protect them are the ones whistling as death approaches. I don't fear death anymore, that's common with NDEs too. I may dread pain and suffering, but not the cessation of life...and no, it's not like going to sleep.

C'est la ve Davey.

I usually don't slap men either....unless they need it or ask nicely....I've also been known to fight and bite;0)

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176145 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I was asking that question of Igor.
Purpose is a good answer. Although it covers a lot of territory.
A woman's or a child's smile,and their need for him, has kept many a man going doing things he didn't want to do, or were killing him. You have to look past the immediate and this life for that sort of thing. You don't get that from Topix atheism.
I know who you were talking to. I'll put my two cents in anywhere I please;0)

This life is all there is Davey, make it count.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176146 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
I know who you were talking to. I'll put my two cents in anywhere I please;0)
This life is all there is Davey, make it count.
Make it count where, love?

Atheism is just dust turning to life turning to dust turning into stars turning into dust.

There is no place to bank your noble deeds. Even your species of animal will turn to dust. There will be no memories.

A burned candle is a burned candle, no matter how many you have of them.

Why would you have a morality that transcended your desires in such an existence?

Off to bed for me.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176147 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
For someone so mellow about life you sure have an edge. It is curious you find the need to attack others for belief in the supernatural and/or an afterlife. Like I said, you will have to go through it again, and you aren't quite the virgin about it you were. But you know that.
My life story is not one of "having a good time". But it has been one of enlightenment beyond what you will get in books, religious texts included. Of course it is temporary, but I have found it richer than the banal existence of most people. That satisfies my soul here, if not other places. I haven't really missed much in life experiences except for being rich, and that would scare me. I've been as low as you can get, and comfortable and fulfilled, sometimes alternately. I have also seen more than my share of treachery from those that espoused noble ideas.
You still have some issues to resolve. I could care less about them because that is not my religion, but I do care about your condemnation of those that have a religion, as it is as much a part of their support network in life as your husband and children are to you.
Enjoyment of life is not just "having a good time" Sparky, it is the striving for fruition that rocks my world. If I had made different choices, I might have found a different purpose. A job well done, a child that was born too early and has now survived and is laughing at the cat....why not? I'm also curious and like to learn new things, too. I'm no Thomas Edison, but I do my part. Reading a good whodunit satisfies something in me. Holding the hand of a loved one and just letting them know I am there with them as they die....well, that's life and death. But I don't want them to leave alone or scared. I'm also a bit of a workaholic and a perfectionist. Mea culpa.

I condemn lies. It does not matter if they are comforting lies, religion is a scourge. It's nothing but lies and hate, it dulls the mind and encourages people to accept, submit and follow faithfully like good little sheep. BS, yes I despise it. I despise the false promise of eternal life, so many are so badly addicted to it....ahh, I could go on but I won't....aren't you glad;0)

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#176148 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
I know who you were talking to. I'll put my two cents in anywhere I please;0)
This life is all there is Davey, make it count.

But Dave has bought himself an imaginary ticket to get into the posh and cushy side of death after life.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#176149 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that you're using the bible.....to prove the bible....
Lame.....pretty lame....
All of history assumes an ancient flood. The Bible is just one source. You have multiple independent sources for that event. The kings of Europe considered Noah a historical figure. Why should anyone believe the moderns over the kings of Europe? You do know this is a matter of human history and they were far closer to the event in question and kept records of their ancestry? Philo and Josephus had sources which predated their writings. Egyptian sources which validated the Exodus. If it is all myth then why the regulation? Slave regulation? Why slave regulation (for example) in a myth? Like i said the moderns are hostile to the Bible because it contradicts their assumptions and anything that contradicts is marginalized. Be it anyone today or the ancients. The moderns also ignore independent accounts of the flood. There is just too much there to dismiss. You have the Bible down as guilty until proven innocent? Perhaps someday someone will treat you the same way you treat the Bible. Guilty until proven innocent in a matter that will really cost you. You really won't have anything to complain about. You will only be getting a taste of your own medicine.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#176150 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that you're using the bible.....to prove the bible....
Lame.....pretty lame....
What you think of me is really not relevant to the discussion. Is this a personal attack? Got an argument? Anything other than another modern assumption. How many times have the moderns been proven wrong? Can i use an American history book to prove American History? You do know the Bible is a collection of writings. That means it is not a single source? What about ancestry.com . They wrong too?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#176152 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Tell him how much of a genius you think he is when you are both in hell. Have a nice evening Quaalude bob.
What does the devil look like?

I don't want to make a mistake at the reception line.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#176153 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> All of history assumes an ancient flood. The Bible is just one source. You have multiple independent sources for that event. The kings of Europe considered Noah a historical figure. Why should anyone believe the moderns over the kings of Europe? You do know this is a matter of human history and they were far closer to the event in question and kept records of their ancestry? Philo and Josephus had sources which predated their writings. Egyptian sources which validated the Exodus. If it is all myth then why the regulation? Slave regulation? Why slave regulation (for example) in a myth? Like i said the moderns are hostile to the Bible because it contradicts their assumptions and anything that contradicts is marginalized. Be it anyone today or the ancients. The moderns also ignore independent accounts of the flood. There is just too much there to dismiss. You have the Bible down as guilty until proven innocent? Perhaps someday someone will treat you the same way you treat the Bible. Guilty until proven innocent in a matter that will really cost you. You really won't have anything to complain about. You will only be getting a taste of your own medicine.
History doesn't assume stuff.

Your mythology made up the flood.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#176154 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> What you think of me is really not relevant to the discussion. Is this a personal attack? Got an argument? Anything other than another modern assumption. How many times have the moderns been proven wrong? Can i use an American history book to prove American History? You do know the Bible is a collection of writings. That means it is not a single source? What about ancestry.com . They wrong too?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....
You are heavily invested in very childish fantasies.

Why?

Most believers who don't go to your lengths.

It's a complete obsession with you.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#176155 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
Enjoyment of life is not just "having a good time" Sparky, it is the striving for fruition that rocks my world. If I had made different choices, I might have found a different purpose. A job well done, a child that was born too early and has now survived and is laughing at the cat....why not? I'm also curious and like to learn new things, too. I'm no Thomas Edison, but I do my part. Reading a good whodunit satisfies something in me. Holding the hand of a loved one and just letting them know I am there with them as they die....well, that's life and death. But I don't want them to leave alone or scared. I'm also a bit of a workaholic and a perfectionist. Mea culpa.
I condemn lies. It does not matter if they are comforting lies, religion is a scourge. It's nothing but lies and hate, it dulls the mind and encourages people to accept, submit and follow faithfully like good little sheep. BS, yes I despise it. I despise the false promise of eternal life, so many are so badly addicted to it....ahh, I could go on but I won't....aren't you glad;0)
False promise of eternal life, eh? And your admitted dream is the basis for the truth it isn't eh?

You get totally bananas when someone ventures the core of your existence as albtraum does not cease to exist when albtraum does.

Sweetie pie, I haven't been on here preaching from religious texts. I have posted quite a bit where the likelihood of such occurring would be quite consistent with the principles of basic physics, minus the sophistry of the theoretical sects of it. Principles used in everyday technology. Add my personal experience in the matter. But you get bent out of shape no matter what direction that proposal comes from.

You are too emotional to be rational about this matter. You are suffering from emotional reaction to religions, not enlightened by knowledge. If you had knowledge you would know what you were reacting to was the ways of man who will use the current version of morality in lieu of an organized religion to advance their interests. Religions based upon texts bridge generational gaps from the bottom up. The current version of morality is determined by the people at the top of the heap per generation.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#176156 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
False promise of eternal life, eh? And your admitted dream is the basis for the truth it isn't eh?
You get totally bananas when someone ventures the core of your existence as albtraum does not cease to exist when albtraum does.
Sweetie pie, I haven't been on here preaching from religious texts. I have posted quite a bit where the likelihood of such occurring would be quite consistent with the principles of basic physics, minus the sophistry of the theoretical sects of it. Principles used in everyday technology. Add my personal experience in the matter. But you get bent out of shape no matter what direction that proposal comes from.
You are too emotional to be rational about this matter. You are suffering from emotional reaction to religions, not enlightened by knowledge. If you had knowledge you would know what you were reacting to was the ways of man who will use the current version of morality in lieu of an organized religion to advance their interests. Religions based upon texts bridge generational gaps from the bottom up. The current version of morality is determined by the people at the top of the heap per generation.
I like your theory, Dave.

The trick is to find your way to the top of the heap.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#176157 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Make it count where, love?
Atheism is just dust turning to life turning to dust turning into stars turning into dust.
There is no place to bank your noble deeds. Even your species of animal will turn to dust. There will be no memories.
A burned candle is a burned candle, no matter how many you have of them.
Why would you have a morality that transcended your desires in such an existence?
Off to bed for me.
Candles don't burn.

Wicks do.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#176158 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
For someone so mellow about life you sure have an edge. It is curious you find the need to attack others for belief in the supernatural and/or an afterlife. Like I said, you will have to go through it again, and you aren't quite the virgin about it you were. But you know that.
My life story is not one of "having a good time". But it has been one of enlightenment beyond what you will get in books, religious texts included. Of course it is temporary, but I have found it richer than the banal existence of most people. That satisfies my soul here, if not other places. I haven't really missed much in life experiences except for being rich, and that would scare me. I've been as low as you can get, and comfortable and fulfilled, sometimes alternately. I have also seen more than my share of treachery from those that espoused noble ideas.
You still have some issues to resolve. I could care less about them because that is not my religion, but I do care about your condemnation of those that have a religion, as it is as much a part of their support network in life as your husband and children are to you.
More creationist lies from the idiot with no proof of god, who does nnot know what honesty is.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#176159 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> All of history assumes an ancient flood. The Bible is just one source. You have multiple independent sources for that event. The kings of Europe considered Noah a historical figure. Why should anyone believe the moderns over the kings of Europe? You do know this is a matter of human history and they were far closer to the event in question and kept records of their ancestry? Philo and Josephus had sources which predated their writings. Egyptian sources which validated the Exodus. If it is all myth then why the regulation? Slave regulation? Why slave regulation (for example) in a myth? Like i said the moderns are hostile to the Bible because it contradicts their assumptions and anything that contradicts is marginalized. Be it anyone today or the ancients. The moderns also ignore independent accounts of the flood. There is just too much there to dismiss. You have the Bible down as guilty until proven innocent? Perhaps someday someone will treat you the same way you treat the Bible. Guilty until proven innocent in a matter that will really cost you. You really won't have anything to complain about. You will only be getting a taste of your own medicine.
Siple minded religious liar trying to defend his mental illness, without a single piece of solid evidence.

Why do creationists lie? is it a hobby of sorts?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#176160 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
False promise of eternal life, eh? And your admitted dream is the basis for the truth it isn't eh?
You get totally bananas when someone ventures the core of your existence as albtraum does not cease to exist when albtraum does.
Sweetie pie, I haven't been on here preaching from religious texts. I have posted quite a bit where the likelihood of such occurring would be quite consistent with the principles of basic physics, minus the sophistry of the theoretical sects of it. Principles used in everyday technology. Add my personal experience in the matter. But you get bent out of shape no matter what direction that proposal comes from.
You are too emotional to be rational about this matter. You are suffering from emotional reaction to religions, not enlightened by knowledge. If you had knowledge you would know what you were reacting to was the ways of man who will use the current version of morality in lieu of an organized religion to advance their interests. Religions based upon texts bridge generational gaps from the bottom up. The current version of morality is determined by the people at the top of the heap per generation.
Creationist idiot too cowardly to prove his god or admit he's a liar with no evidence.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#176161 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> What you think of me is really not relevant to the discussion. Is this a personal attack? Got an argument? Anything other than another modern assumption. How many times have the moderns been proven wrong? Can i use an American history book to prove American History? You do know the Bible is a collection of writings. That means it is not a single source? What about ancestry.com . They wrong too?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....
You're allowed to type AFTER you've proven the god you're here to lie about to us.

Not BEFORE.

Why do Creationists have so much problem with basic logic?

If you god is real, there is proof.

There is no proof, there never has been which is why you are mentally ill liars.

Atheists converted = 0.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#176162 Sep 1, 2013
No atheist will ever believe a Creationist liar who lies shamelessly and without remorse.

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