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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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xianity is EVIL

Wheatley, Canada

#175846 Aug 29, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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IF the Perfect One couldnt keep up,it would NOT be PERFECT now would it!
you simpletons are quite amusing LLL
Robert Stevens wrote:
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It's not all ways perfect to keep up. The non souled atheist do have a purpose. I suggest the dying down of The Human Race. He may see us as the bullies that will pollute The Universe as we do Earth. We may die off, but we will be replaced.
now youre getting it,,we will all die off,you included,,

next generation will no doubt be more rational then your religious simpletons..thnx to atheists who know this is only lifes we have,,,and only heaven we can ever have is to create it here on Earth

belief in souls and afterlife is what Devalues human life,,and should be discarded like all the other silly supertitions..
xianity is EVIL

Wheatley, Canada

#175849 Aug 29, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Some times some one just won't get it. What does God need with a Starship? God does not need, but spirits and deities do. If you don't get it, I can't help you.
You need to prove spirits deities exist first,,,good luck

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#175850 Aug 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
How naive a statement from you. I don't believe in your deity.
It is a valid observation given the content of your posts. You despise a God you do not believe exists and then deny you do which is typical of Topix atheists.
I'm repulsed by your lack of reflexive thought in choosing to worship the deity described by the OT and NT. I mean "reflexive" and not "reflective" in case you look the word up.
So it is not God but me for some reason having to do with reflexive and yes i do dress myself. I have no problem with God depicted. I do not find Him repulsive nor do i blame God for things we bring on ourselves especially when He warns us in advance. I do find it bizarre folks like you find slavery as depicted in Scripture so repulsive while you practically ignore it everywhere else. Justin addresses a despicable type in His first apology 27
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers.x...
27. That we may avoid all injustice722 and impiety, we have been taught that to expose the newly born is the work of wicked men—first of all because we observe that almost all [foundlings], boys as well as girls, are brought up for prostitution. As the ancients are said to have raised herds of oxen or goats or sheep or horses in their pastures, so now [you raise children] just for shameful purposes, and so in every nation a crowd of females and hermaphrodites and doers of unspeakable deeds are exposed as public prostitutes. You even collect pay and levies and taxes from these, whom you ought to exterminate from your civilized world.723 And anyone who makes use of them may in addition to [the guilt of] godless, impious, and intemperate intercourse, by chance be consorting with his own child or relative or brother. Some even prostitute their own children and wives, and others are admittedly mutilated for purposes of sodomy, and treat this as part of the mysteries of the mother of the gods—while beside each of those whom you think of as gods a serpent is depicted as a great symbol and mystery. You charge against us the actions that you commit openly and treat with honor, as if the divine light were overthrown and withdrawn—which of course does no harm to us, who refuse to do any of these things, but rather injures those who do them and then bring false witness [against us].
And you rant against slavery in the Bible and ignore this???

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175851 Aug 29, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> It is a valid observation given the content of your posts. You despise a God you do not believe exists and then deny you do which is typical of Topix atheists.
We "despise" your god in the **exact** same way that **you** despise The Big Bad Wolf.

That is to say, not at all-- neither is real.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#175852 Aug 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
How immoral.
Stop the moralizing. It is sickening.
No, I agree with you - slavery is supported in the Bible b/c it provides clear guidelines on how to treat slaves.
Stop distorting my posts. Either that or work on your comprehension. Slavery is regulated which is far different than supported.
No perfectly moral deity would ever write such utter immoral trash.
More sickening moralizing. God lets us go our own way and deal with the consequences. Its not all that difficult to understand. You haven't answered anything. More shucking and jiving. Anyways, it is my night off and i do not intend to spend it here. You need to work long hours with a lot of people and come home exhausted, dirty, hungry' and with sore feet. Best thing for you really. Being productive and working hard. It might improve your social skills. Learn how to deal with people face to face. All kinds of people. Get out and be productive.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#175853 Aug 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
For a supposed objective scientist and detached observer of the human animal condition you sure do moralize a lot. Maybe you are bipolar.
I've repeatedly explained that I am not objective. Maybe you're forgetful.
Cultural anthropologist, eh?
The economic benefit of slaves kept many alive after wars. This allowed for the infusion of new genes. The economic benefit of slaves also led to the outright procurement of them instead of just results of conflict. This, too, allowed for the infusion of new genes. Slavery was just a class designation within a society. Slaves didn't arise from the local families, so had no social standing, but they did add to and became part of the society. Many had very high educations to manage complex social orders such as large estates. They also intermarried with the base society infusing new genes in the local pool.
Wow. Totally and utterly immoral of you - and Social Darwinist. And stupid. Two differing populations that enjoy economic trade also engage in cross-cultural marriages and, what seems to be important to your limited views, admixture of genes.

You don't need slavery to have gene flow, oh insane one.
Widespread slavery arose from farming. Hunter gatherers would snatch a few individuals from other tribes, but it tool agriculture to make it wholesale.
It's just the way things developed. There was no moral imperative against it. There were laws and religious instruction regarding their treatment, though, which later became "morals". You jumped the gun moralizing God.
No. If Christians believe their deity is perfect, the source of all morality and lives outside of time, then it's statements on slavery very obviously expose those beliefs as silly.

Please try to follow the discussion instead of turn it into another Dave-fantasy.
But here, as a cultural anthropologist, a savior of mankind, you are missing one of the most important developments in the social history of mankind. The farming of man by man. It has really accelerated in recent decades as the population has grown so much. Thoughts, morals, religious views, and all of those things are being created to manage the estate of the hidden wealthy. This is done via "education", and you are a talented slave to the system helping to manage it. You are turning people into machines performing a function, not individuals with thoughts and ideas of their own. You are cheating people out of their personal experiences and choices. You want the only rewards they get for existing to be what you say they should consider as rewards. Getting drunk or stoned, watching the latest movie or visiting the latest tourist destination. And to always obey their masters, those more "educated" than them.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting slavery.

And your senseless babble about anthropology is meaningless. Perhaps turn up the O2?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#175854 Aug 29, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
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Old theology "cherry picked" as usual,
rather than a defense of the atheist religion.
Science is silent on atheism,
The atheist inference is supported by scientific evidence.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#175855 Aug 29, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Sounds like she is enhancing her resume. Either way she has too much time on her hands. Scientist and detached my ass.
Wow someone is upset that they can't produce a defensible logical position.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175856 Aug 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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The **only** thing changed?
Is a GODLESS and SECULAR based government-- the Constitution.
It **prohibits** murdering people because they do not comply with religious faith.
I bet you **hate** that.
You go way too far. I just don't think Atheist should have any leadership positions. I really don't care at all if they are there.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#175857 Aug 29, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
Stop the moralizing. It is sickening.
Why, because you are supporting the claims of slavers?
Stop distorting my posts. Either that or work on your comprehension. Slavery is regulated which is far different than supported.
Regulating slavery is supporting it.

Your argument stupidly goes like this:

"It turns out we have forced child labor. We better regulate the industry rather than stop child labor."
More sickening moralizing. God lets us go our own way and deal with the consequences. Its not all that difficult to understand. You haven't answered anything. More shucking and jiving.
It's amazing that you entirely fail to understand how illogical you are being by claiming that a deity who supports slavery is the source of all human morality.
Anyways, it is my night off and i do not intend to spend it here. You need to work long hours with a lot of people and come home exhausted, dirty, hungry' and with sore feet. Best thing for you really. Being productive and working hard. It might improve your social skills. Learn how to deal with people face to face. All kinds of people. Get out and be productive.
I'm more charismatic than you are capable of.

:)
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“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175858 Aug 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It's been proven already. The present universe is uncaused.
No need of a creator at all.
Finis.
Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you will believe it.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175859 Aug 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Who said anything about ABORTION?
I was talking about your MONSTER god, who-- if he were real-- murders the WHOLE WORLD'S babies in one fell swoop.
The good old Noah's flood massacre--wherein the bible's monster-god murders ALL the babies in the world, just because he can.
But that's not the **only** time the bible's god is a baby-killer, nooooo!
There's the Egyptian baby-massacre too. And any number of similar incidents as written in the bible.
No... the Bible's god has MUCH BABY-KILLING to answer for!
Again it's on my background, and I have not claimed to be Christian. I even posted very non-Christian beliefs I have. I don't think you really follow a conversation, you just include others in one you have played out in your head. Yet, you'd call others delusional. AND, BY NO MEANS HAVE I CLAIMED TO BE A BIBLE EXPERT.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#175861 Aug 29, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
It is a valid observation given the content of your posts. You despise a God you do not believe exists and then deny you do which is typical of Topix atheists.
Don't be silly. I am disgusted in how willfully ignorant you, and people like you are. Your deities are your personal, imagined beings. They don't exist apart from you.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm writing to you and not to the thing of your worship. It's not real, so it couldn't read my words or respond.
So it is not God but me for some reason having to do with reflexive and yes i do dress myself.
Self-reflexivity is not about putting clothing on...

<sigh>
I have no problem with God depicted. I do not find Him repulsive nor do i blame God for things we bring on ourselves especially when He warns us in advance.
Quite clearly you feel the need to defend your image of "God" and polish it shiny, forcibly re-interpreting the OT to produce a clean, moral and all-loving image.
I do find it bizarre folks like you find slavery as depicted in Scripture so repulsive while you practically ignore it everywhere else. Justin addresses a despicable type in His first apology 27
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers.x...
<quoted text>
And you rant against slavery in the Bible and ignore this???
1. You're confused.

2. I'm pointing out to you that your deity cannot be the source of all human morality. How "God" is imagined changes throughout time and history and depends on cultural context.

3. When slavery was widespread, the Bible was used to support slavery. The OT depicts a deity who clearly endorses slavery and is, in no way, opposed to it.

4. Yet you claim that now the deity is against slavery, and you point out that the Bible was also used to argue against slavery (thank you, Quakers).

5. Clearly, you fail to understand that your personal beliefs are the product of late 20th century Christianity and Western history up to that point. You fail to realize how very different Christians in different centuries "knew" and "experienced" God and that they were very, very different from you.

6. "God" and Christianity are not constants. They are products of human culture. Your deity is a socially constructed being. It does not exist apart from you. You have been trained to interpret experience such that for you "God exists - not unlike believers in all other religions experiencing their deities.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175862 Aug 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. "If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed".[1] This burden does not necessarily require a mathematical or strictly logical proof, although many strong arguments do rise to this level (such as in logical syllogisms). Rather, the evidential standard required for a given claim is determined by convention or community standards, with regard to the context of the claim in question.[2][3]
Glad I could clear up your misconception on exactly WHO shoulders the burden of proof.
You......"The universe has a creator." You are therefore "The person asserting a claim." Se how that works cupcake!!!! Good!! Now get busy with your proof, or admit to appealing to ignorance. Your choice.
BlackLagoon the topic is "Atheism requires as much proof as religion?" You have to be Quantum Bob posing as another log on user. I bet you two pop up on many treads together. I wouldn't be surprised if you have about 5 log on IDs

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175863 Aug 29, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yet your "god" requires constant ego stroking...
... or else he tortures you forever.
Hmmmm....
.... it appears your god is both a sadist and an egomaniac.
I just don't get why you don't take people's word for what they say. Again this reflects upon you more than those you judge. I recall you got excited about my dong in a 3 piece suit comment. Which BTW, I find to be true. And you found to be very offensive and you claim you never posted anything that offensive. it is my opinion your lack of believe of what people straight out tell you, is more offensive than your beliefs suck, and I do feel bad for those that it is true for, but by no means spread it.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#175864 Aug 29, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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when you get your GED, and get a degree in astro-physics, and then do some post graduate work and study the experiments and studies and data provided by NASA, you will comprehend.. until such time, just dwell on your bronze age stories of talking donkeys and burning bushes....
you been a moron this long, what's a few more years..
I'm just curious, but do you have a degree in Astro-physics?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175865 Aug 29, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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wow...you even know what god needs and doesn't....bwhahahhahahah..... you getting high sniffing your skid marks aren't you?
Don't flatter yourself, your comments against God as zero effects on anything. As I said "What does God need with your positive thoughts?" e don't need you. You'll be history just as you claim. You do know yourself.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175866 Aug 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain to us all exactly how you know what or whatnot God needs. I've asked you to please PROVE that God does not need a starship as he could possible be part of an ancient and highly advanced extraterrestrial race and does indeed need a starship. Go for it!
I can't help you. To explain would just be a waste of my time. God does not NEED anything. Your ego has trouble with that. You think "I'll show you!" you take your actions, and no one is effected besides the poor bastard that has to hear your story about the cause and effect. Maybe you'll suck don another drink after that.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175867 Aug 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
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"If this responsibility or burden of proof is shifted to a critic, the fallacy of appealing to ignorance is committed".
You have ONCE again made an appeal to ignorance. Is comprehension some kind of a problem for you. A learning disability perhaps, or simply because you really are ignorant. Avoiding your responsibility is childish at best, so please support your claim that then Universe has a creator. Ask me one more time to prove that is doesn't means complete defeat on your part. Constantly making an appeal to ignorance really makes you look stupid, DO BETTER. So far you've failed twice, wanna go for three?
Again you need to work on your reading comprehension. My claim is no one could prove their beliefs. This includes if their was a creator or not. You are the one claiming fact not faith. The fact you suggest people admitting they have faith, have to prove while people claiming they have no faith and are only based on fact owe no proof. I doubt you understand the meaning of the words that are being used. And I will soon post here why I know neither side could prove their faith to be fact.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175868 Aug 29, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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There is a big difference between knowing how you feel and using it as an attack....I usually respond in kind to people...if they come with an attitude then I give them an attitude back. As long as no one comes on here with the thought that they will change someone's mind, and they allow the other person to continue their belief or lack their of, there is no problem from me. I haven't had a problem speaking with you so far. I'm sure if the right things were said it could probably get mean, but I've seen your responses an I know how I respond sometimes so that the only reason I say that :-). I don't fully understand your beliefs only because I've shared it and chose to leave for reasons that I "do" understand, but it made me aware that long followed faith is a hard thing to break.
You just don't notice they never take my word for anything I say. You might catch a slight attitude. I find this worse than my insults such as they are without soul. Question for you. Don't they say the same thing about you. Much of what I do post here is "We is you and that mouse in your pocket. You know yourself, you don't know me.' In fact if you really read our exchange. They either don't know me after I tell them about my self, or they think I am Walter Mitty. Please don't think I am complaining. You brought this up. I am just saying. The truth is what they think does suck. Why they do not take people for their word. It's because they are built that way. They are that dishonest.

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