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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175559 Aug 25, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't take much to get you into irrational mode. You are actually self starting in that.
Was that the post where I played a fundie? Using Bible God as an example?
I am much more machine oriented than you. Where you think you are hot shit, I just see you as shit like the rest of us, put to some purpose beyond our understanding.
Your limited mind doesn't allow you to put yourself into that kind of perspective. Remember my car and headlight analogies I laid on you before?
You are not existing in a void. You can influence what does, but the sum of it is much more than you can do anything about. You have 7 billion people right now that are intelligent creatures. You aren't even a face in that crowd. You need to understand that. That is also a huge amount of intelligent force at work in this universe, of which you are a microscopic portion, working together. For the most part. Why do you figure it is the only intelligent force in this universe?
You didn't invent the horn, nor did you make it. You just play it. Welcome to existence. Take a number. Follow the yellow line. We will call you.
You are living in a very small pond. You overestimate what you are.
You need to get your ego under control, because there is just no rational discourse with you unless you can. Going off on tangents just so you can have a rant doesn't work. Outside YOUR mind.
Why do you take such great pleasure in devaluing human worth? You may not be a face in the crowd, possibly because you have added nothing of value. I and anyone else who has made an attempt to contribute, to leave a mark, are in fact a recognizable face in the crowd.

No I don't remember your car and headlight analogy, but I'm sure it was pointless. So you think that you and others are *shit*? really, you really don't think of yourself as anything more than a piece of shit? Wow, that is terribly sad!!! You wake up each morning ready to face the day knowing that you and everyone else are shit!!! Maybe you should take some lesson on an instrument, maybe the piano, learn to play something, maybe you'll feel better about yourself, couldn't hurt.

Ok, you have made a serious assertion that needs to be supported. "There is a huge amount of intelligent force at work in the universe." And you know this how? And I'm sure you would never have made such a claim unless you were ready to provide evidence. Well, I'm waiting, evidence please that the universe contains and intelligent force. Why do I figure that it is the only intelligent force in the universe? First off what is *IT*? And how do you know *IT* is the ONLY intelligent force in then universe? How do you know that there is ANY intelligent force in the universe?

You appear to be no different from the Theists who makes all sorts of claims and when asked to provide evidence their "dance of the fools" begin. I'm waiting for your dance to begin. I'll even supply the music. Whats your pleasure, fast, slow, even eights or swing eights? I can wait for your dance to begin.

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#175560 Aug 25, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>you have some real bad dreams! start saying your prayers
Praying is the same thing as doing absolutely nothing

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175562 Aug 26, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you take such great pleasure in devaluing human worth? You may not be a face in the crowd, possibly because you have added nothing of value. I and anyone else who has made an attempt to contribute, to leave a mark, are in fact a recognizable face in the crowd.
No I don't remember your car and headlight analogy, but I'm sure it was pointless. So you think that you and others are *shit*? really, you really don't think of yourself as anything more than a piece of shit? Wow, that is terribly sad!!! You wake up each morning ready to face the day knowing that you and everyone else are shit!!! Maybe you should take some lesson on an instrument, maybe the piano, learn to play something, maybe you'll feel better about yourself, couldn't hurt.
Ok, you have made a serious assertion that needs to be supported. "There is a huge amount of intelligent force at work in the universe." And you know this how? And I'm sure you would never have made such a claim unless you were ready to provide evidence. Well, I'm waiting, evidence please that the universe contains and intelligent force. Why do I figure that it is the only intelligent force in the universe? First off what is *IT*? And how do you know *IT* is the ONLY intelligent force in then universe? How do you know that there is ANY intelligent force in the universe?
You appear to be no different from the Theists who makes all sorts of claims and when asked to provide evidence their "dance of the fools" begin. I'm waiting for your dance to begin. I'll even supply the music. Whats your pleasure, fast, slow, even eights or swing eights? I can wait for your dance to begin.
You managed to twist and distort what I posted so much there is no place I can enter to respond.

Get a dementia exam. You are that age.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#175563 Aug 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You managed to twist and distort what I posted so much there is no place I can enter to respond.
Get a dementia exam. You are that age.
You can't distort having no proof of god any further.

We know what liars say to cover their a$$e$ in this forum
LCNlin

United States

#175564 Aug 26, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't distort having no proof of god any further.
We know what liars say to cover their a$$e$ in this forum
When did atheists become so teeth-gratingly annoying?

Surely non-believers in God weren't always the colossal pains in the collective backside that they are today? Surely there was a time when you could say to someone "I am an atheist" without them instantly assuming you were a smug, self-righteous loather of dumb hicks given to making pseudo-clever statements like, "Well, Leviticus also frowns upon having unkempt hair, did you know that?" Things are now so bad that I tend to keep my atheism to myself, and instead mumble something about being a very lapsed Catholic if I'm put on the spot, for fear that uttering the A-word will make people think I'm a Dawkins drone with a mammoth superiority complex and a hives-like allergy to nurses wearing crucifixes.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanonei...
LCNlin

United States

#175565 Aug 26, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
Praying is the same thing as doing absolutely nothing
... as is posting atheist posts ?

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#175566 Aug 26, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
<quoted text>... as is posting atheist posts ?
you spelled theist wrong

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#175567 Aug 26, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
<quoted text>
When did atheists become so teeth-gratingly annoying?
Surely non-believers in God weren't always the colossal pains in the collective backside that they are today? Surely there was a time when you could say to someone "I am an atheist" without them instantly assuming you were a smug, self-righteous loather of dumb hicks given to making pseudo-clever statements like, "Well, Leviticus also frowns upon having unkempt hair, did you know that?" Things are now so bad that I tend to keep my atheism to myself, and instead mumble something about being a very lapsed Catholic if I'm put on the spot, for fear that uttering the A-word will make people think I'm a Dawkins drone with a mammoth superiority complex and a hives-like allergy to nurses wearing crucifixes.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanonei...
Your stupidity alone makes me doubt evolution.

“Get it right”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#175568 Aug 26, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of reasons, actually:
- it's good to promote critical thinking
- atheists awash in Christian families need to know there are other atheists around and doing well
- haven't seen a good argument against atheism ever. Not in theology, not on these rather poor forums, not in debate
I mean, the best you seem to have is "prove atheism!" But that's not an argument, that's just you shouting.
One argument against 'spreading' atheism could be if the person in question is overbearing and obnoxious on the topic. But, then that would have more to do with the person than the message.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#175569 Aug 26, 2013
chance47 wrote:
<quoted text>
One argument against 'spreading' atheism could be if the person in question is overbearing and obnoxious on the topic. But, then that would have more to do with the person than the message.

Just how much 'spreading' atheism have you done?

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#175570 Aug 26, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>All of the following are directly connected to Atheism:
1.) Reason
2.) Logic
3.) Skepticism
Now are these not excellent traits?
And here are the traits directly connected to Theism
1.) Credulity
2.) Gullibility
3.) Wish thinking
4.) Willful ignorance (usually involves evolution)
5.) Faith (accepting things without good reason)
6.) Irrational
7.) Intolerant
8.) Misogynistic
9.) Cult mentality
10.) Divisiveness
How many of these traits do you consider admirable?
Now do you see why spreading Atheism is so important....no I didn't think you would, how foolish of me to expect a rationale response!!!
Here's a rational response:

What can be said of atheism?

Well Karl Marx wrote that religion is the opium of the masses. And what did Marxism spawn? The atheistic states of communism. The Soviet Union with good old Joseph Stalin at the helm produced a genocidal legacy of 20 million people across Asia and Eastern Europe and that's not counting the casualties incurred by the Soviet Army in World War II.

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-jo...

Then we can look at Mao Tse Tung who surpassed genocide and made it to democide by being responsible for the deaths of nearly 45 million people. Mao was a deeply committed follower of Marxism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainme...

Oh yeah then there's also Pol Pot. He was also a Marxist and killed 2 million.

Adolf Hitler was born of a Roman Catholic mother and an alcoholic abusive father. Hitler killed 11 million, some of whom were Christian. Hitler actually wanted to replace worship of Jesus Christ with Nazism. And his extermination of Jews was based upon race, not religion, although he did try to use religion as a propaganda tool.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...

And because I know you'll bring up the Crusades and Inquisition and Salem Witch trials as a rebuttal, I'll sweep the legs out from underneath that right now, with pleasure of course.:)

The Salem witch trials killed 19 people and was actually brought to a stop by a Christian who recognized the wrongful deeds of others, and held them accountable for their actions.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...

The Inquisitions killed between 800-20,000 people over 400 years.
http://www.medievality.com/spanish-inquisitio...

And the Crusades killed many thousands but was largely a battle for control within Christianity. In all of these cases there was tremendous and inexcusable loss of life, and no one can claim their side was innocent. But let's not get carried away and claim atheism is as intelligent and cultured as you make it out to be. Far from it.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175571 Aug 26, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
giving up already ,Chunkyboy?
why look up others opinions instead of thinking for yourself and coming up with your own?
define Creator and will see if its possible to prove it,,or not
<quoted text>
just as predicted,YOU have NO balls to think on your own,,
typical kristain
Your statements are just idiotic. 1 I do agree with him and many others. 2 For the Lord only knows how many time. This tread you have the burden of proof. 3 I admit I am a person of faith. You are so backwards you ask for prove after this admission, you are the one that needs to prove. 4 Don't even waste your time. I am sorry but you could hold Mr Hawking jock strap, not to mention many others that just concede. 5. If I did do the impossible. You would completely deny it. I have all the prove I need. There is a God.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175572 Aug 26, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Religion....."The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God." Now be so kind as to show us all what "superhuman controlling power" We Atheist *worship* Now don't you feel stupid?
According to The United States of America and the Church of Atheism that could be found in Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities Atheism is a religion and it gets tax deduction. I am not complaining I am just saying. Don't you feel stupid. Please stop debating this with the Pagan from NJ and call your elected officials. Who's your daddy.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175573 Aug 26, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of reasons, actually:
- it's good to promote critical thinking
- atheists awash in Christian families need to know there are other atheists around and doing well
- haven't seen a good argument against atheism ever. Not in theology, not on these rather poor forums, not in debate
I mean, the best you seem to have is "prove atheism!" But that's not an argument, that's just you shouting.
I disagree with you AND I have talked to atheist that agree. It is the online Atheist that ruin this conversation. With their lack of believe in what they are told which is just common conversation. This topic here is your turn after many shots at others. To prove yourselves. I am sorry but that cannot be done period.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175574 Aug 26, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
Praying is the same thing as doing absolutely nothing
get off the Kool-Aid canoe Mikko you don't know that!!! you can't go by that time you prayed to GOD to change your looks!!!

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175575 Aug 26, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Listen numb nuts, Clownie the Anointed doesn't hate you brainless heathens. He just feels extremely sorry for you losers, and points out your ignorant ways of continuously staying losers. Clownie actually feels great pity for you intellectually challenged twits. It's amazing how you continue to show your supreme stupidity. God put yours truly here on Topix for a reason. To show others who are lost and confused, that there is a chance to end up in Heaven, if you choose the right path in life, and not wander down the broad highway to stupidity that you atheistic morons are on. To God fearing people, God does things in mysterious ways. God has a purpose to what He does. He's not some drifty heathen like you lifeless morons, who are taking up space on planet Earth, that should had by someone with a righteous direction in their life, and who believes in God. To show you proof that God does things in mysterious ways ... He allows you atheist losers to wander about the planet making complete asses out of yourselves. LMAO!!! Well, it does show that God has a tremendous sense of humor. FACT!!!
Awesome blog, may we have a church lady superior dance?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175576 Aug 26, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>All of the following are directly connected to Atheism:
1.) Reason
2.) Logic
3.) Skepticism
Now are these not excellent traits?
And here are the traits directly connected to Theism
1.) Credulity
2.) Gullibility
3.) Wish thinking
4.) Willful ignorance (usually involves evolution)
5.) Faith (accepting things without good reason)
6.) Irrational
7.) Intolerant
8.) Misogynistic
9.) Cult mentality
10.) Divisiveness
How many of these traits do you consider admirable?
Now do you see why spreading Atheism is so important....no I didn't think you would, how foolish of me to expect a rationale response!!!
Could you keep it real. You die, you are worm meat. There are no parties worth going to. I could just imagine you'll share stories and conclude everyone is lying. The trust in marriage must be something.

It just sucks. Even if you were correct, who'd really want it. A bunch of online blow hards. Your post is funny. There is no morals and nothing noble about it. That jerkoff entertainer from England that was suppose to go on TV but got too fat and ugly from drinking, even told the world this prior to passing. Who cares if he could see God, or admit it. Spreading Atheism is for jerkoffs, because... it does suck. OK worm meat now continue on.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175577 Aug 26, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you can move to Russia it's taken over by Christianity and soon the death camps will be built in siberia for people that the church do not like
More Atheist Mythology.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175578 Aug 26, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a rational response:
What can be said of atheism?
Well Karl Marx wrote that religion is the opium of the masses. And what did Marxism spawn? The atheistic states of communism. The Soviet Union with good old Joseph Stalin at the helm produced a genocidal legacy of 20 million people across Asia and Eastern Europe and that's not counting the casualties incurred by the Soviet Army in World War II.
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-jo...
Then we can look at Mao Tse Tung who surpassed genocide and made it to democide by being responsible for the deaths of nearly 45 million people. Mao was a deeply committed follower of Marxism.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainme...
Oh yeah then there's also Pol Pot. He was also a Marxist and killed 2 million.
Adolf Hitler was born of a Roman Catholic mother and an alcoholic abusive father. Hitler killed 11 million, some of whom were Christian. Hitler actually wanted to replace worship of Jesus Christ with Nazism. And his extermination of Jews was based upon race, not religion, although he did try to use religion as a propaganda tool.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/H...
And because I know you'll bring up the Crusades and Inquisition and Salem Witch trials as a rebuttal, I'll sweep the legs out from underneath that right now, with pleasure of course.:)
The Salem witch trials killed 19 people and was actually brought to a stop by a Christian who recognized the wrongful deeds of others, and held them accountable for their actions.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...
The Inquisitions killed between 800-20,000 people over 400 years.
http://www.medievality.com/spanish-inquisitio...
And the Crusades killed many thousands but was largely a battle for control within Christianity. In all of these cases there was tremendous and inexcusable loss of life, and no one can claim their side was innocent. But let's not get carried away and claim atheism is as intelligent and cultured as you make it out to be. Far from it.
Here we go. They will deny the most obvious truth, then ask you to prove thoughts you put on paper. It is the most ridiculous combination I have ever read. They are delusional. It is just as clear as the nose on most living people's face, Atheism sucks.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#175579 Aug 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't take much to get you into irrational mode. You are actually self starting in that.

Was that the post where I played a fundie? Using Bible God as an example?

I am much more machine oriented than you. Where you think you are hot shit, I just see you as shit like the rest of us, put to some purpose beyond our understanding.

Your limited mind doesn't allow you to put yourself into that kind of perspective. Remember my car and headlight analogies I laid on you before?

You are not existing in a void. You can influence what does, but the sum of it is much more than you can do anything about. You have 7 billion people right now that are intelligent creatures. You aren't even a face in that crowd. You need to understand that. That is also a huge amount of intelligent force at work in this universe, of which you are a microscopic portion, working together. For the most part. Why do you figure it is the only intelligent force in this universe?

You didn't invent the horn, nor did you make it. You just play it. Welcome to existence. Take a number. Follow the yellow line. We will call you.

You are living in a very small pond. You overestimate what you are.

You need to get your ego under control, because there is just no rational discourse with you unless you can. Going off on tangents just so you can have a rant doesn't work. Outside YOUR mind.
Your humility is overwhelming.

You trying to give DF a run for his money?

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