Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Born in Newark Ohio

#173191 Aug 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Matthew chapter 2 Jesus in born at Mary and Joseph's home in Bethlehem and even lived there for two years before fleeing to Egypt. In Luke it says they lived in Nazareth and stayed in a Bethlehem manger because there were no Inns available during their traveling.
For your uneducated apologetic viewpoint to work you have to say that the manger was so great they stayed there for two years abandoning their home in Nazareth.
<quoted text>
I didn't see that. What version do you get that from?

Matthew 2
New International Version (NIV)
The Magi Visit the Messiah

2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked,“Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied,“for this is what the prophet has written:

6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’[b]”
7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said,“Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”

9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

The Escape to Egypt

13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream.“Get up,” he said,“take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”

14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet:“Out of Egypt I called my son.”[c]

16 When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. 17 Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

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“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#173192 Aug 1, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. Atheism is the recognition that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of deities.
That's Agnosticism. Atheism is the rejection of religious beliefs and is based on a humanist approach to social issues and morals. But feel free to continue to spew half truths just like those you mock.
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text> That naturally leads to a lack of belief in deities. It does not cut off investigation is some evidence does appear.
In fact, atheism follows naturally from the recognition that all phenomena we have seen can be explained by natural explanations. So, at the very least, it isn't unreasonable to test such explanations before any supernatural ones. And that is without considering whether supernatural explanations are explanations at all (being untestable).
Again please stop blending Atheism with agnosticism.

You only make yourself look foolish IMO.

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Born in Newark Ohio

#173193 Aug 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That sounds like the definition of free thought not atheism.
BAZINGA!

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Born in Newark Ohio

#173194 Aug 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That sounds like the definition of free thought not atheism.
Are you saying atheism prohibits free thought?

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#173195 Aug 1, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew Chapter 2 says *NOTHING* of the birth narrative. Matthew Chapter 2 is about the visit from the Magi and the escape into Egypt and subsequent return to Nazareth. The birth narrative in Matthew is very sparse and so doesn't say what you're claiming.
The Luke narrative expands the account so we see why Joseph was traveling to Bethlehem. Mary and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem for the census. This would be like you traveling to Cleveland, Ohio with your wife and her giving birth there, even though your home is in Kentucky.
Your argumentum ad hominem and lack of understanding of ancient writing styles has exposed the weakness of your position.
whoever voted the dim bulb icon might want to check Biblegateway and look at the story in all it's translations.

I say MIGHT because I doubt the will.

"A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the subject."
- Winston Churchill

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#173196 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Great post. May I have your permission to use this when I see my fellow 'christians' and others attack people who won't walk in goose step with their Fundamental religious fascism?
Go for it. The "fundamentalist" extremism is based upon Calvinism, which I strongly disagree with. It is the bleakest view within orthodox Christianity and borders on the edge of being a cult. If John Calvin's theology is of the view that only the "elect" can have salvation, then he was contradicting the teachings of Christ.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173197 Aug 1, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe religion was invented by people, but not faith D.A...
bring it...
Nope-- faith in crap that isn't real is ALSO an invention of people.

Specifically?

The very LAZY people who would rather INVENT crap (gods) instead of going out beyond the campfire's light to SEE what was making that loud noise.

Faith in Gods? The first contribution of the first LAZY COWARD.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#173198 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying atheism prohibits free thought?
Atheists are more likely to be free thinkers, but there is a difference,
atheism is the rejection of deities, while free thought says.

There is insufficient evidence of deities.

Free thought

Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, or other dogmas.[1][2][3] The cognitive application of freethought is known as "freethinking", and practitioners of freethought are known as "freethinkers".[1][4 ]

Freethought holds that individuals should not accept ideas proposed as truth without recourse to knowledge and reason. Thus, freethinkers strive to build their opinions on the basis of facts, scientific inquiry, and logical principles, independent of any logical fallacies or the intellectually limiting effects of authority, confirmation bias, cognitive bias, conventional wisdom, popular culture, prejudice, sectarianism, tradition, urban legend, and all other dogmas. Regarding religion, freethinkers hold that there is insufficient evidence to support the existence of supernatural phenomena.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173199 Aug 1, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence? That's what I thought...
Indeed-- there is zero evidence for your god.

Good!

You are learning!

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Born in Newark Ohio

#173200 Aug 1, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm inclined to agree that natural causes should be considered before supernatural causes. But insisting that supernatural causes have to be testable to verify their existence seems extreme to me. If there are supernatural beings, they must be capable of free movement between our time/space existence and another plane of existence. Paranormal investigators use thermal scanners and sound recording equipment, and have developed fair criteria to determine whether or not an event is natural or supernatural. The methodologies are constantly being evaluated and improved to look for fraudulent practices in the field environment.
I find that the charge of "insufficient evidence" is too much of a convenient argument. It appears to be a philosophical and emotional escape hatch for the atheist who doesn't wish to find himself or herself cornered by evidence that is difficult to refute. It allows for too much "subjective value" which is emotionally based at the core, while grasping for whatever naturalist philosophies will support the atheistic worldview.
Great post. I'm saving it as well.

Very concise and rational.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173201 Aug 1, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism isn't the default position of humanity. The default position of humanity is exploration. If you put an average 8 month old baby on the floor you will see that the child's natural instinct is to explore the surroundings. The child won't sit there in doubt of whether anything exists. The child won't doubt whether or not he or she can climb or crawl. The child will explore and move wherever there aren't any obstacles, and will do so with an inquisitive open mind.
Atheism corresponds to the obstacles placed in the mental path of exploration by the individual. Obstacles to faith are self-imposed obstacles.
Athiesm is the lack of faith in stupid shyt (any and all gods).

That's it.

The crawling kid has NO FAITH in gods of ANY kind. NONE.

He's an atheist.

Until he's fed The Lies. And forced to REPEAT The Lies.

Eventually?

His brain becomes damaged, and he forgot it WAS a lie...

.. THEN?

We call him a believer.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#173202 Aug 1, 2013
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny you say this because you just contradicted what another one of your co-atheists said while attempting to refute me about how the disgusting religion of atheism has caused such a crime increase since your disciple and deacon of atheism, O'Hair, stirred the cult of atheism up in 1963.
I said in my post that atheism is the chief reason our world has become so much more of a violent and criminal world .
Your stupid atheist friend then posted a link where crime is down in America in the last decade or two (which I strongly disagree with).
Now one of you two , or both , is lying. I think you both are liars.
You seem to have no reading comprehension. Pity.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173203 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>some helpful quotes (IMO) that I know annoy religious fanatics:
"A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the subject."
- Winston Churchill
True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance."
~ Akhenaton
Ma'am, there's only one God, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that.
-Steve Rogers “The Avengers
Its bad manners to say “I love you” with a mouth full of lies.
-Seen on Facebook
Man creates his own demons from the part of him what’s closest to his animal fears. He takes them to bed with him, and they lie down together for a fit-filled sleep.
-Waddie Greywolf
"People take different roads seeking happiness and fulfillment. Just because they aren't on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost"
-The Dalai Lama
"Be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
Romans 12:2
Namaste my friend.
Those are good.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173204 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for reminding us of one of the smartest saying plumbers have ever invented.
Shyt flows downhill?

Or ... never chew your fingernails?

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173205 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>That's Agnosticism.
Agnosticism is a claim about the possibility of knowing. "gnosticsm" means "to know" or "knowledge".
DNF wrote:
Atheism is the rejection of religious beliefs and is based on a humanist approach to social issues and morals.
False.

Atheism means not-theism. Not-goddism.

It literally means not having faith in supernatural woo.

It is **not** a rejection so much as a request for **proof**.

That's it.

You bring the proof of god(s)?

And you will be the first person in the history of the planet to do so....

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#173206 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>whoever voted the dim bulb icon might want to check Biblegateway and look at the story in all it's translations.
I say MIGHT because I doubt the will.
"A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the subject."
- Winston Churchill
The war we see today between worldviews is one of extremes. Polymath seems to be one of the more levelheaded skeptics here, and Quantum Bob seems to maintain a respectable tone even though we disagree passionately.

The "fundamentalists" and "militant atheists" are the ones at each others throats while the rest of us look on in disbelief at the ignorance on both sides.

Speaking of Winston Churchill, one of my favorite quotes from him came during an exchange with Lady Nancy Astor:

Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."

Winston Churchill: "Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.”

And from an unknown author:

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right."

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#173207 Aug 1, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
The war we see today between worldviews is one of extremes. Polymath seems to be one of the more levelheaded skeptics here, and Quantum Bob seems to maintain a respectable tone even though we disagree passionately.
The "fundamentalists" and "militant atheists" are the ones at each others throats while the rest of us look on in disbelief at the ignorance on both sides.
Speaking of Winston Churchill, one of my favorite quotes from him came during an exchange with Lady Nancy Astor:
Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."
Winston Churchill: "Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.”
And from an unknown author:
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right."
Apologists are modern day liars with no morals and no spine.

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#173208 Aug 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Apologists are modern day liars with no morals and no spine.
How do you come to that conclusion?

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#173209 Aug 1, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>That's Agnosticism. Atheism is the rejection of religious beliefs and is based on a humanist approach to social issues and morals. But feel free to continue to spew half truths just like those you mock.
<quoted text>Again please stop blending Atheism with agnosticism.
You only make yourself look foolish IMO.
Atheism is the lack of belief in deities.

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#173210 Aug 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Apologists are modern day liars with no morals and no spine.
Argumentum ad Hominem is a logical fallacy. It's usually used by somebody who attacks the character of a person rather than the argument itself, and in your case you do so with no personal knowledge of me. If stated without such personal knowledge this is a lie, and as such, is a demonstration of immorality. It fails to answer or critique the argument and seeks to demean the person instead which seems to be the easier task, thus revealing a "lack of spine."

Don't you defend Darwinian Evolution" as being true? If yes, you too are an apologist.

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