Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172320 Jul 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I'm going to keep telling people you are necrophiliac christard.
But I have no interest in your elephantiasis riddled testicles.
<quoted text>
they look like a pair of hary coconuts

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#172321 Jul 16, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
By modern Western standards, you would have a valid argument IF your comparison was between two similar modern Western cultures. But therein is the point of contention. My disagreement is based on the concept of your ethnocentrism. What I'm suggesting is that you are failing to recognize the difference in writing styles in our own modern time, and also in cultural styles. The ancient Hebrew culture was predominantly an oral culture. You're assuming that well educated articulate people would write this material down right on the spot, and that this literary skill would have been common to people in that culture. This is simply not true. So that's why I believe you're making an ethnocentric assumption based upon our own modern Western literary culture, and comparing it to an Middle Eastern orally dominated culture.
Consider the following:
1) Ancient cultures in the Mediterranean region were predominantly oral cultures. They passed on information from generation to generation by word of mouth. They did this through creeds. Creeds were almost poetic. They had a specific flow to them. Words were arranged in a format that was easy to remember. This information was memorized word for word, verbatim. This was the common method of communicating.
2) Yes, Hebrews could read and write. In fact, the percentage of Hebrew males that could read and write was higher than that of pagan nations in the Greco-Roman world. But that was still a very low number in contrast to the rest of the population.
3) There was no print based culture at that time. The printing press was still over a thousand years into the future. Papyrus was hand-made. Writing was a very slow, tedious, laborious process.
So here we have 3 points of consideration as to why there was a lack of writing from that period. I have more points that I can add if you're open to considering them.
I give you points for sincerity and civility. That's the exception rather than the rule on these threads so Kudos to you! I can see you've done a lot of research and given these many points a lot of thought.

Don't get me wrong, a house of cards is still a house of cards and you have more than your fair share of 'considerations' to propose. It's understandable when discussing a long gone culture with scant clues.

Just following your and Bob's discussion, please carry on!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172322 Jul 16, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh GOD yes.
What a total waste of hundreds of Sunday mornings.
I can picture you on the back row picking your nose!!!

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#172323 Jul 16, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a little bit to far for me too. I can live with, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will not hurt me.
Yes, that 7 X 70 is more than I could ever take. I go by the 'fool me once, shame on you....fool me twice shame on ME!' ;0)

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172324 Jul 16, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
It's just plain silly to be afraid of the inevitable.
I have some concern as to HOW I die.
As well as my quality of life until then.
But no. I'm not at all afraid to die.
Nor am I afraid to live.
you have no quality of life without Jesus Christ in your life! you don't get that just by attending church picking your nose.. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!! SAVED FROM YOUR SIN
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#172325 Jul 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact you only think you have standards, standards built on wishful thinking and mythology are not standards but delusions.
The existence of 42 as the answer to life the universe and everything has considerably more validity than belief in a Bronze Age book. 42 came from a novel of known provenance, written by one “named” and highly respected author.
On the other hand the babble can not make any such claim, particularly the OT which is comprised exclusively of carefully selected extracts of the Tanakh which was in turn written by unknown run away slaves and goat herders during the bronze and iron ages. Or for that matter the NT, which was compiled by committee from carefully selected works of unknown provenance. From the point of it’s inception it has been edited and changed to the extent that in the early 1600’s another committee re-created the babble from carefully selected extracts of all the existing copies. Guess what there are now over 50 different versions in the English language alone (who knows how many in other languages) and around 40,000 different sects of believers, each claiming that only there sect is right. High standards? Right!
What you believe does not create standards but illusion and that’s fine if you want your standards to be illusion. So just to enlighten you, the is absolutely no evidence that the universe was built for the sexual gratification of human kind and even less that that for the existence of a supreme creator.
Number 42 was Jackie Robinsons number.:O)

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172326 Jul 16, 2013
I flushed most of your repetitive apologetic blather.

No western standards have nothing to do with argument whatsoever. The period of time Jesus walked the region is very very well documented. I know you hate to admit that but guess what? The Jews, Mithra worshipers, Hellenistic people all regularly at the time documented vital information. People have trouble remembering word for word the Ten Commandments but you think they could accurately remember hundreds of thousands of words perfectly? Insanity and we see this clearly as all the variations of the same gospels that we find in ancient scrolls.

Jesus according to the NT had rich and highly educated men with him including converted Jews who would have known the importance of documentation.

The same people at the time were able to document about pottery and fishing sales. But this man who could raise the dead get's ignored for decades? Joseph of aramathia spends a fortune on Jesus right? Yet he didn't find it necessary to have pen put to paper?

Really?

Let's remember the Jesus magician from Egypt was documented.

This is why apologetics fail miserably. Critical thinking.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>By modern Western standards, you would have a valid argument IF your comparison was between two similar modern.
2) Yes, Hebrews could read and write.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172327 Jul 16, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
it's you who is talking about you tiny thing all the time
"I WANT TO BE LIKE Clownie! Yep, the good ole U S A. is a great place! Mikko

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172328 Jul 16, 2013
Are you claiming Paul met Jesus in person? Are you claiming Paul did not have visions and dreams about Jesus?

Seriously this is what you are claiming?

Why did hallucination vision chump Paul find the need to document this Jesus but the people who walked with him.... Not so much?
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>How do you come to that conclusion? You're making claims without any supporting evidence for me to consider. You're asserting that it was visions and dreams but not supplying me with any reference point to support that.

Givemeliberty wrote, "You can belch that they were divine visions and dreams if you want to humiliate yourself as this is an apologetic opinion but my fact stands."

Your "fact" stands? On what authority? That's why I'm asking. I don't want to just offer an opinion. I want to offer a logical, plausible, coherent argument. Telling me that your fact stands without a supporting reference is a very bold maneuver.

Givemeliberty wrote, "If you are already aware of something stop wasting time asking me to provide information on it. Now can we finally please move along?"

No we cannot just move along. You made an assertion that what Paul saw was a vision or a dream; yet it's not in the Damascus road account in the book of Acts. Paul doesn't claim it was a vision or dream. You're making a claim that Paul's Damascus Road event was that, and you're asserting that Paul said so himself. I'm simply asking where in the NT you found that, because I'm physically holding an NLT Bible and I've read and re-read the three accounts in the Book of Acts, and none of them claim that Paul claimed they were mere visions or dreams. I need a reference point or source to investigate. Surely that's not such an unreasonable request, especially when you have accused theists of cowering and not answering your questions.

Givemeliberty wrote, "Why is the first documented words about Jesus penned by a man who never even met him?"

I already answered that in my previous posting.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172329 Jul 16, 2013
Certainly the sword forcing Christianity into society was key to it's current state.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>What is really amusing? Is that if you make a study of the evolution of religion during those beginning days?

You'll find that **all** religions in the region had evolved into a "man/god sacrifice/rebirth/dies-for-peo ple/immortality/etc"

They are so similar, they could have been written by the same people-- only the unimportant details are specific to the various people who's culture it sprang up in.

Without Constantine's force-conversion to his newly-minted "christianity", christianity would have died off like all the other cults did.

...*sigh*

And Earth would have skipped the Dark Ages... and?

We'd have colonies on the moons of Jupiter by **now**....!

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172330 Jul 16, 2013
Certainly. Thanks
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Google "Abby Smith" and "ERV". She's an HIV researcher who also writes a pretty good (scientific) blog on the subject.

One of her recent bits was about the bone marrow "success". She's cautious, but gives links to the original material.

She comes highly recommended.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172331 Jul 16, 2013
I would wager he has not a friend on the world. I do laugh at his cowardice to mention his church. I think he goes to some crazy embarrassing one. Those people usually are ashamed to admit what church they go to.
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>Of course he is. But that begs the question of whether or not he even attends a church. Is he here to speak up for religion or just a lonely little troll? We've seen his posts, he's a good poster boy for driving people screaming away from theism.

I've noticed that he and I both started posting on topix a few months apart.....then I saw the number of posts he's made.....

I picture him as a middle aged flabby man (possibly still living in his parent's basement) sitting at a computer day and night, gulping slushies, candy bars, fast food and chips.

I've honestly tried feeling sorry for him, he IS an obnoxious little toad. However, he's made his choices and he's welcome to reap the nonexistent benefits of his sad and lonely lifestyle.
Thinking

York, UK

#172332 Jul 16, 2013
You can have my mother's cancer then.

Thank you.
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
Some cancer are caused by a virus which has as much right to live as any other creature. You live off of the deaths of what ever you eat. I see no difference.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172333 Jul 16, 2013
Same here. Seriously I wonder if he is this ignorant or being purposely obtuse.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>The bible itself claims it was but a dream. The story of the road to Damascus, is clearly a dream or vision of Paul's.

I'm surprised you are arguing this point at all.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#172334 Jul 16, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>
"I WANT TO BE LIKE Clownie! Yep, the good ole U S A. is a great place! Mikko
I'll rather stay in Sweden (were more democratic than USA)

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#172335 Jul 16, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
Some cancer are caused by a virus which has as much right to live as any other creature. You live off of the deaths of what ever you eat. I see no difference.
Tell that to the kids and their parents.
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#172336 Jul 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
It's worse than that.
In post 171,801 Tranny-Town DK Clunt admitted to having necrophiliac tendencies.
<quoted text>
I have notice he seems to have some kind of complex about his/hers sexaulilty.
At least he/she is always accusing others of being gay.
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#172337 Jul 16, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>you don't believe in GOD!you say he don't exist. so who's the blame for all the bad stuff in the world? science, atheist,evolution,who
All the above plus christians, and a few other factors we don't know about,or have thought about.
Thinking

York, UK

#172338 Jul 16, 2013
You also would have to take a cut in the standard of living.
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll rather stay in Sweden (were more democratic than USA)
Thinking

York, UK

#172339 Jul 16, 2013
He also posts violently anti gay posts under his "goober hull" identity. Religitards often bulk up their numbers dishonestly.
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
I have notice he seems to have some kind of complex about his/hers sexaulilty.
At least he/she is always accusing others of being gay.

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