Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Joe Fortuna

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I think you misunderstood my point. The out-of-towner was the smug arrogant one, and was attempting to belittle the store owner insidiously. He was being sneaky and disrespectful, and not appreciating that the store owner was allowing him to be in his store in the first place. The smug out-of-towner didn't even connect the name of the store with his own behavior. "Humble Inn" A play on the word "humbling." When somebody is humbled, they realize they may have been too cocky. Too smug. Too condescending. So, the store owner gave him a second chance to appreciate what had already been in front of him. The out-of-towner took too long to realize his mistake. He arrived just as the store owner was locking up for the night. The out-of-towner shouldn't have been so cocky and arrogant.
That's the lesson. And it's a good one.
Sometimes your stories have a deeper meaning than what you see in them. In other words your story has been humbled, and you don't even realize it.
Joe Fortuna

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#172127
Jul 15, 2013
 
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>so darling you admit GOD exist??? it is finish
Disparate?
If, I think you read right passed that little word.

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#172128
Jul 15, 2013
 
Yeah, no God here. We are just very smart animals, who can use high tehnologies, i m just waiting when pig or monkey can do same things, that human can do. Of corse no God or Ufo intervention. Atheism for the win!
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#172129
Jul 15, 2013
 
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>no
Did you just admit to being a tard?:O)
Joe Fortuna

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Jul 15, 2013
 
T-Town Clown wrote:
Its off to work I go! Hey all my atheist peeps see my middle finger? I shall return!
Is that you IQ?:O)

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Roman Apologist wrote:
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Why do you view it that way?
Because I have been in retail business. I have also been-- and still am-- a customer.

I may not agree with the business owner's attitude, but there is no reason to treat a potential customer with contempt--as what happened in your story.

Your business owner was extremely arrogant.

Not uncommon.

But he was also quite full of pride-- isn't that a sin?

In his pride, instead of simply ignoring the rude out-of-towner, he treated him with evil intent.

Literally-- he deliberately and with malice set out to cause him as much harm as he could--without actually doing direct violence.

That is not good.

Not good at all.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
I see it as not punishing the snooty customer, but as giving him a chance to re-evaluate his initial behavior.
He will **never** become a customer--ever.

After the horrific way he was **deliberately** treated?

He will tell everyone he knows, to avoid the horrible, vain and prideful store owner.

A good customer is a treasure, true.

But a bad customer will tell everyone he knows-- and they will tell everyone they know-- and it repeats endlessly.

If the prideful owner had treated the customer with kindness? In spite of his snotty attitude?

He **likely** would have had a sale, and that'd been that-- end of story.

But since the owner let his **pride** get the better of him-- and he **deliberately** treated the never-again-a customer like crap?

He not only lost **that** customer, he will have lost anyone else that former customer speaks to in the future.

Evil **always** begats more evil.

Always.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
I'm curious as to how that view is any less arrogant than that of the store owner. The store owner could have kicked the snooty customer out. And then what would the customer learn?
The store owner is **not** in the position to teach **anything*.

That is **not** his job-- his job is to sell his stuff, to pay his bills, to feed his family.

More over?

He is in a position of authority over the potential customer-- he **literally** has the customer over a barrel-- the only store around.

What did he do? He **abused** that authority, by **deliberately** doing evil to the would-be customer instead.

Evil fosters more evil.

Always.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
Your reply seems, on the surface, to endorse the actions of the snooty customer as somehow socially acceptable. Am I interpreting that correctly?
The customer is in the inferior position-- the weaker position.

He is in **need**. Thus? He is automatically at the mercy of the one in the **superior** position-- the owner of the goods to sell.

So his snotty attitude can be safely ignored as that of a bore or other socially inept person.

The store owner can ignore the crap, take his money and laugh all the way to the bank.

In fact? Since he had a monopoly, he could just as easily added a 20% "azzhole tax" to the price of his stuff, and the customer never being the wiser. The owner laughing behind his back all the way to the deposit-window.

But what does he do? He **abuses** his superior position by **deliberately** setting out to cause harm to the person who was simply rude.

Who wins here?

The customer will **never** shop there again-- nor will he take the proven-dangerous advice of an arrogant, full-of-pride store owner.

The owner did not make a sale, either.

Nobody wins.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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Did you learn your attitude from the one you call jesus?
you can kiss some of this (_*_)
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Roman Apologist wrote:
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Why do you view it that way?
I see it as not punishing the snooty customer, but as giving him a chance to re-evaluate his initial behavior. Remember, the guest was the smug one and was being sneaky and under-handed about it. The shop owner merely gave the snooter an opportunity to realize it for himself.
When I reiterated that the out-of-towner had been smug and condescending you replied "So?" as if the out-of-towner had every right to treat the store owner this way without any penalty or sense of accountability. Your reply seems, on the surface, to endorse the actions of the snooty customer as somehow socially acceptable. Am I interpreting that correctly?
I'm curious as to how that view is any less arrogant than that of the store owner. The store owner could have kicked the snooty customer out. And then what would the customer learn? Would he learn humility or would he learn that he just isn't welcome in that store any longer? My thoughts upon first hearing that were that the store owner was still willing to allow the customer to come back, but instead of pointing out the customer's behavior, let him do a little work that shows him he's not as smart as he thought he was. There is no better teacher than self induced humiliation. The snooty man was not obligated to follow the owner's instructions.
The best lessons are the ones that cause us discomfort and embarrassment, because they cause us (if we're honestly observant) to realize that we're no better than the next guy, and they hold us accountable. If we're so smug and snooty that we don't recognize it for ourselves, what's the better choice? Are we to be banished by the owner with no hope of redemption; or do we learn a lasting lesson from a journey in which we come to realize it by experience and humility?
In the end, the store owner did our a snooty customer a favor, not a disservice. The disservice would have been to kick the customer out with no redemption, or to let him continue with his condescending behavior which would only encourage him to continue such behavior in the future.
What would you have done?
First off even if the customer was snooty, sense when does two wrongs make a right?
Secondly because he asked for a story with more choices with a attitute, the store own took offense and sent him on a wild goose chase. Not nice.
I would of either told where he could find one, or that I did know of one. I wouldn't of sent him off to learn a lesson for wanting more than what I had, even if he had a attitude.

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Joe Fortuna wrote:
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Did you just admit to being a tard?:O)
no! I said you was a turd

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Roman Apologist wrote:
My thoughts upon first hearing that were that the store owner was still willing to allow the customer to come back, but instead of pointing out the customer's behavior, let him do a little work that shows him he's not as smart as he thought he was.
No-- the store owner **deliberately** set out to harm the rude out-of-towner.

More to the point? He **knew** his wild-goose chase would take too long, and let him close up shop-- also depriving the customer of anything he may have needed at that store.

A double- whammy of deliberate evil.

Lesson learned?

NEVER take the advice of a prideful store owner-- he **will** do his best to mess you up.

What did the store owner get for his pride?

Certainly **not** a sale that day... if the rude out-of-towner spreads his tale of woe?

He likely would lose even more customers-- I know **I** would never shop there again, after hearing what he did.

Giving rudeness back for rudeness is **never** moral, ethical or even a good idea.

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Joe Fortuna wrote:
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Is that you IQ?:O)
don't be mad! cuz Im more intellectual than you... notice your screen (_*_) take a lick if ya want to

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Roman Apologist wrote:
In the end, the store owner did our a snooty customer a favor, not a disservice.
Indeed he did-- the customer will **never** ever shop at that store again in his life.

And he will tell everyone he knows to **never** shop there either.

And I agree: that is a favor beyond price.

The full-of-pride store owner does not deserve to be in business.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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The story of Job is rife with free will.
Indeed. Just as long as you ignore everyone who dies in that horrid tale of terrorism and torture.

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First off even if the customer was snooty, sense when does two wrongs make a right?
Secondly because he asked for a story with more choices with a attitute, the store own took offense and sent him on a wild goose chase. Not nice.
I would of either told where he could find one, or that I did know of one. I wouldn't of sent him off to learn a lesson for wanting more than what I had, even if he had a attitude.
cry-baby! whay a P**sy

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Mikko wrote:
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leave topix atheism forum !
not till you get on them knees and beg Jesus to save your sorry soul...... ya hear me boy
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Roman Apologist wrote:
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Why do you think the store owner showed condescension? I never said he did. You're assuming he did. Why are you assuming that?
Yes the store owner was closing up as the snooty customer returned, not BECAUSE the snooty customer returned. The store owner was closing because it was closing time. Are you speculating on emotional and volitional grounds?
There are two types of humiliation.(Humili being the root- as in "humility")
One type is that of revenge. You're assuming that's what happened in the story I used. The other type is teaching. When we're humiliated, we're humiliated because somebody is cruel and wants to injure us, OR we've been unfair to others and when we realize it, it's humiliating, especially if we're in the company of those we treated badly. We feel awful about it. Sometimes we need to be humiliated in a kind way.
The young snooty man's behavior was the issue here. Not the merchandise, not the customer service issues, but only the cocky smugness of one man, in another man's place of business. The store owner helped the young man. He gave him excellent customer service.
He gave directions designed to redeem the young man, not cast him out without learning from it. If revenge was the goal, why bring the offender back to your own doorstep?
1) Be content with what's in front of you when in another man's home or business.
2) If not satisfied, don't be snooty. Be gracious.
3) When holding another person accountable, give them a way to learn the lesson AND redeem themselves and welcome them back when they do.
Sorry I don't see the store own doing anything other than being a smart butt. I say treat people the way you want to be treated.

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Roman Apologist wrote:
What would you have done?
As it turns out? I **am** in the business of selling things to people; I'm self employed.

The money from rude customers spends just as nicely as the money from the nicey-nice ones.

Sometimes, the rude ones are more honest.

But in the end? If a potential customer gets out of hand? I always have the option to tell them to have a nice day, walk away, and then ignore their telephone calls from henceforth.

I seldom have to do that; rudeness, I just ignore. Since I'm fixing AC's, many times their rudeness is due to being nearly overwhelmed by the heat, and I don't take it personally--even if it is said in a personal way.

But I would **never** ever deliberately cause someone harm or waste their time. That serves no one, and helps no cause.

I'd simply walk away, not looking back.

That is the best "revenge" anyhow-- living well, while a rude person will continue to be rude--and will most likely get rudeness back in return.

Evil always begats more evil-- never kindness.

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