Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Certainly the Egyptian gods predated Yahweh by centuries. They had a savior messiah son of god who you had to believe in to get to heaven thousands of years before the Jesus myth. The book of the dead sounds exactly like the bible in various parts and it predates the oldest shred in the Torah by centuries.
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<quoted text>Thank you ;)
I find theist posters particularly uneducated and uninformed.

They remain deliberately ignorant in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Anyone that takes to time to research these various religions will find the same things I do.

One could make the argument that the desert religions all based on RA, the Egyptian God.

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Using this and your Osama sock account I see.

The bible says the earth has corners and rests on top of pillars oh and is unmoving lol!

It also says to kill a cow by the river to figure out an unsolved murder.
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<quoted text>OMG dude!!! you have a computer use it.. I could copy & paste for yrs on science screw-ups and you would say prove it!

some peeps are just plain ol dumb!

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Shhhh T town sock, you're humiliating yourself again.
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<quoted text>Osama sees you're still pissed at your old man for letting the best part of you drip down his leg. Yeah, I guess that would piss you off!
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It's just another amongst thousands of errors Christians make.

The gospels make several mistakes and do not even match up. Not to mention all of their mistakes in regards to the Torah is laughable.

Josephus wrote about Hercules over a dozen times. So do you concede that Hercules son of Zeus existed?
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<quoted text>The four year difference is due to a mistake in the 6th century made by the monk Dionysus Exiguus, whom was using Roman records to date the birth year of Jesus. The Roman dating system was based upon the founding of Rome and wasn't calculated using the zeros that were used later in Europe.

Modern archeology confirmed the true date of Jesus' birth about 200 years ago because of discoveries relating to the reign of Herod the Great. This dating error has no effect on the orthodox doctrines of the Christian church, and doesn't compromise scriptural integrity in any way.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Shhhh T town sock, you're humiliating yourself again.
Speaking of humiliating ones self:

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I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
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"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "

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You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!

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"if I didn't have the strong secular morals"

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Shhhh T town sock, you're humiliating yourself again.
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I have no sock!! who is yours? the piltdown clown!!! LMAO YELLING YO !!!!!!!!!!

JUNK SCIENCE SUCKS! SO DOES I GIVES-HEAD I mean LIBERTY!!! LOL

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Givemehead I mean Liberty has been exposed by Tzar as a turd and liar... JUST LIKE science

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Givemeliberty wrote:
It's just another amongst thousands of errors Christians make.
The gospels make several mistakes and do not even match up. Not to mention all of their mistakes in regards to the Torah is laughable.
Josephus wrote about Hercules over a dozen times. So do you concede that Hercules son of Zeus existed?
<quoted text>
Not in the way that Homer's writings portray him. Josephus mentions that people worshiped Hercules. He doesn't say whether or not Hercules is a real person or is based on a real person. As a Jew, Josephus wouldn't endorse the existence of a Greek deity because of the social stigma associated with paganism by devout Jews.

Jesus was a Jew, and because there was a considerable scandal (in the view of the Sanhedrin) because of Jesus' claims to be the Messiah, there was more importance to this story. If it hadn't been such a scandal, Josephus would never have mentioned Jesus. That's exactly why the TF is given so much weight.

Nobody in Jerusalem in the middle of the first century was expecting a spiritual Messiah. All Jewish hopes and eyes were looking for a political/military leader to rise up and lead an armed revolution against the hated Roman Empire. The Jews of that day wanted, and expected another King David or Joshua to lead them into battle in a nationalist vision of freedom. There were plenty of fakes and frauds who claimed they were the "Messiah."

The scandal came about Jesus claimed authority to sit in judgement over the Sanhedrin. In comparison, that would be like you or I walking into the Capitol building in Washington D.C. and telling a joint session of Congress that they're all corrupt, and that we are judging them for their corruption. You can imagine how well that would go over. It would be a newsworthy event. It was then too. The difference then was that ancient Jerusalem wasn't a predominantly literate culture. They were an oral culture. So it's not too far fetched or unreasonable to conclude that we won't have much contemporary non-biblical written history regarding Jesus.

Even you and I, if we were to address congress like that, wouldn't get a lot of press. We'd be dismissed as fools, and rebellious traitors. We'd be sentenced to jail, and soon everyone would forget about us.

But- if we were wrongfully executed, we'd get much more press. And if we resurrected from the dead? The world would be talking about us 2,000 years from now too. Just like we talk about Jesus. Funny how that works huh?

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T-Town Clown wrote:
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Due to the fact you have the memory of a goldfish I shall recount the bidding for you:-
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>The bible messes with yo mund huh! 1 cor 2-14
Richardfs wrote:
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"only man liveth. He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils--God is father and mother, the father of fathers, and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of his own form, and the fashioner of His own body--God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in members--God hath made the universe, and He hath created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be."
The Book of the Dead
See I can make meaningless quotes too from a book of myths.
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>what you call a myth! Billions call the truth! only a hand full of lost dumb atheist call it a myth.. you are just one of the dumb
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And people once said the world was flat, your point is?
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>thats science for you..
It was your bibull which said the Earth was flat so why bring up science?

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T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>OMG dude!!! you have a computer use it.. I could copy & paste for yrs on science screw-ups and you would say prove it!
some peeps are just plain ol dumb!
1. You copy & paste but with no understanding.
2. At the end of the day science is self correcting.
3. So let us talk about the 2000+ year old uncorrected errors in the bibull:-

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

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Richardfs wrote:
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1. You copy & paste but with no understanding.
2. At the end of the day science is self correcting.
3. So let us talk about the 2000+ year old uncorrected errors in the bibull:-
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
Holysh!y man donít use facts or truth with T-Clown it will only make the ignorant ass more confused.

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Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You copy & paste but with no understanding.
2. At the end of the day science is self correcting.
3. So let us talk about the 2000+ year old uncorrected errors in the bibull:-
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
more copy and paste from a gay atheist site

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Richardfs wrote:
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Due to the fact you have the memory of a goldfish I shall recount the bidding for you:-
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It was your bibull which said the Earth was flat so why bring up science?
where does it say that? the bible teaches its round

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Holysh!y man donít use facts or truth with T-Clown it will only make the ignorant ass more confused.
do you believe his bullshit ? if so you are as dumb as him...

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But you think he would say this...

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ.

...... Seriously?.....
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Not in the way that Homer's writings portray him. Josephus mentions that people worshiped Hercules. He doesn't say whether or not Hercules is a real person or is based on a real person. As a Jew, Josephus wouldn't endorse the existence of a Greek deity because of the social stigma associated with paganism by devout Jews.

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Roman Apologist wrote:
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The four year difference is due to a mistake in the 6th century made by the monk Dionysus Exiguus, whom was using Roman records to date the birth year of Jesus. The Roman dating system was based upon the founding of Rome and wasn't calculated using the zeros that were used later in Europe.
Modern archeology confirmed the true date of Jesus' birth about 200 years ago because of discoveries relating to the reign of Herod the Great. This dating error has no effect on the orthodox doctrines of the Christian church, and doesn't compromise scriptural integrity in any way.
Link to the information that shows that.

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Round with 4 corners? Show us where you find the four corners on a round object.
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>where does it say that? the bible teaches its round

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Oh you can point out all of these factual errors in the bible all day long. It makes for a fun flight when I sit by a bible beater lol!
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You copy & paste but with no understanding.
2. At the end of the day science is self correcting.
3. So let us talk about the 2000+ year old uncorrected errors in the bibull:-
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

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Most likely... pulled right out of his ass .com

Christholes are good at doing that I notice.
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Link to the information that shows that.

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T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>more copy and paste from a gay atheist site
Everything to you is gay so when do you come out.

BTW Those are direct quotes from the bibull are you now denying your own book of myths by careful your god will smite you.

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