Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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#171685 Jul 10, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Your opinion is without worth, you necrophiliac sisterfucker.
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Bongo

Coram, NY

#171687 Jul 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Brainwashed idiots think other people are crazy, because they do not subscribe to their maniacal delusions and lucid insanities.
Dream world and secret fantasy is the norm of christian ideology.
hey shnoogly, you must be on the "edge". Youre starting to sound like limpoma the chunky flunky.

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#171688 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I didn't either until I got on here dealing with rabid anti-Christians and started looking things up.
The truth is you can't even get the truth about something that happens now, much less years ago.
Everyone wants to sell you something.
You pick your truths where you find them. You have to live with them. The regimented souls like fundies and Topix atheists ain't got brains to do that for themselves.
"The truth is you can't even get the truth about something that happens now, much less years ago."

At the risk of you getting angry with me, I can say that I agree with you to some point...however I think that science, and archeology can give us many answers from the past, and in the now it's much easier to find truth as the time is in the present. I totally agree that a person has to choose their own truth...I am just not one of the people that have chosen the biblical creation (god) as mine. I find it impossible to believe that the bible is authentic in its current state, or at all. Again that is just my opinion. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would, and I still think that religions should stay a personal practice and not one that is publicly forced onto non-followers. I feel like even the Topix atheists have chosen to agree with science over faith. I personally see nothing wrong with that simply because I trust science because science has given me answers that can be explained rationally. Any huge questions like, where the universe came from, and where we will go when we die will never be answered by proof. I feel like those are impossible questions to answer unless you were there, or until you get there.

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#171689 Jul 10, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>Well I could attempt to pull that one out of my ass, but I won't...I could google it, but I really don't feel like reading through all that garbage cause it will go back and forth on there too, since there is no specific person that "invented" it.

Let's just say that even if "god" created day and night...man would have had to have invented a tool to measure time so that we could use time as we needed to. That should make sense to you. I haven't ever read in the bible where "god" created the clock.
A clock is not time.

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#171690 Jul 10, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>OMG!!!!!! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASNORTDHAH AFARTS
12 feet tall BAAAAHAHAHA!or you like 6 yrs old
lol...good gawd...are you laughing at the christians that believe Noah was 12 feet tall? If that is the case then I can gladly say that this was the same reaction I had to that....well minus the farting lol, and I'm 32 years old.

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#171691 Jul 10, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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A clock is not time.
lol...yes I am aware of that...your question was who invented time, and that answer that I gave you was that time is a man invented tool to measure day from night, and months from years.

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#171692 Jul 10, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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"The truth is you can't even get the truth about something that happens now, much less years ago."
At the risk of you getting angry with me, I can say that I agree with you to some point...however I think that science, and archeology can give us many answers from the past, and in the now it's much easier to find truth as the time is in the present. I totally agree that a person has to choose their own truth...I am just not one of the people that have chosen the biblical creation (god) as mine. I find it impossible to believe that the bible is authentic in its current state, or at all. Again that is just my opinion. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would, and I still think that religions should stay a personal practice and not one that is publicly forced onto non-followers. I feel like even the Topix atheists have chosen to agree with science over faith. I personally see nothing wrong with that simply because I trust science because science has given me answers that can be explained rationally. Any huge questions like, where the universe came from, and where we will go when we die will never be answered by proof. I feel like those are impossible questions to answer unless you were there, or until you get there.
I agree about the Bible and other religious works, including Socrates. Like I said, everyone is trying to sell you something. That goes for this nebulous "science" you trust. It is a house of cards built on some assumptions and driven mostly by money. It is an industry. It has become a religion.

In of all of them are bits of truth written between the lines.

Atheists and fundamentalists both seek the answers from man. That is inherently impossible and likely to empty your pockets.

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#171693 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I agree about the Bible and other religious works, including Socrates. Like I said, everyone is trying to sell you something. That goes for this nebulous "science" you trust. It is a house of cards built on some assumptions and driven mostly by money. It is an industry. It has become a religion.
In of all of them are bits of truth written between the lines.
Atheists and fundamentalists both seek the answers from man. That is inherently impossible and likely to empty your pockets.
Agreed. I don't worship science though. I am curious what your straight opinion of science is though. Do you feel like the things that science has helped us understand is all for nothing? I'm not just talking about space, and the universe...I'm talking about medicine, and technology as well.

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#171694 Jul 10, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Agreed. I don't worship science though. I am curious what your straight opinion of science is though. Do you feel like the things that science has helped us understand is all for nothing? I'm not just talking about space, and the universe...I'm talking about medicine, and technology as well.
It is all good as it improves quality of life when applied properly. However, like technology and science throughout history, they can do these things without fully knowing how they did it. False models that kind of work. It just appears they know what they are doing.

But you have people, the quest for power, status, and money involved. That is not so bad if they are really doing something, but you have the hucksters selling theories that kind of drowns out the real thing.

Nuts and bolts versus bullshit. Topix atheists subscribe to the bullshit.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171695 Jul 10, 2013
Hmmm the typical Dave move of... I can't find anything wrong in your post but will instead throw out a blanket insult.

Such a miserable failure.

You are welcome for the free education.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You do blather on. With limited knowledge and understanding powering it.

Just reciting what you heard, because you know nothing. You can't even read and comprehend.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171696 Jul 10, 2013
What non biblical writings about Jesus would that be Dave? Ones written decades if not centuries later?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Those scholars just study other scholars.

Socrates had some seriously highly placed enemies in Athens. That is why he died. You best believe there would have been some official propaganda and gloating over his death. Much publicizing of what happens to those that oppose.

Show me some.

Why would one man like him be so worshiped for his ideas unless he was elevated above other men by scholars?

There are a lot more writings about Jesus, and he has had much more impact on human history.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171697 Jul 10, 2013
So churches in town, many in foreclosure is proof that Jesus existed?

Wow you are an ignorant c@cks@cker.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Ain't got nothing but a bunch of rabid atheists still arguing he doesn't exist 2000 years later, and a bunch of churches in every town.

Your perspective is a bit warped.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171698 Jul 10, 2013
Very well said. There is not a single secular eye witness account of Jesus. Not one.
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>I am not educated on the subject of Socrates enough to discuss in depth about him...however I don't agree that there were more writings about Jesus....at least not in secular history. There have been similar arguments that have floated around about Jesus and Paul. I just don't look into depth about those things because I don't feel like it is neither here nor there as far as my beliefs go.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171699 Jul 10, 2013
If you are really a deist, why would you care about someone mocking the failures of Christianity?

Most deists mock the failings of Christianity as well.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't either until I got on here dealing with rabid anti-Christians and started looking things up.

The truth is you can't even get the truth about something that happens now, much less years ago.

Everyone wants to sell you something.

You pick your truths where you find them. You have to live with them. The regimented souls like fundies and Topix atheists ain't got brains to do that for themselves.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171700 Jul 10, 2013
In that case you will now be reported for any vulgar, insulting posts from here on out.

If you live in a glass house best not throw stones eh?
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#171701 Jul 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is all good as it improves quality of life when applied properly. However, like technology and science throughout history, they can do these things without fully knowing how they did it. False models that kind of work. It just appears they know what they are doing.
But you have people, the quest for power, status, and money involved. That is not so bad if they are really doing something, but you have the hucksters selling theories that kind of drowns out the real thing.
Nuts and bolts versus bullshit. Topix atheists subscribe to the bullshit.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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But you have people, the quest for power, status, and money involved.
Church?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

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#171702 Jul 10, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Look up grandpa Simpson onion belt on YouTube and behold it's a cartoon version of Dave!
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OMGosh! It is Dave to a T! LMAO!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#171703 Jul 10, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Church?
Church key?

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#171704 Jul 10, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Church?
I would have to agree that the churches...no matter the denomination, are a huge money taking scheme.

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#171705 Jul 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree, all of history is NOT hearsay. We have not only evidence for the three you mentioned but actual EYEWITNESS accounts. Not stories told decades later by unknown authors, but actual eyewitness accounts. I can't even beige to understand your comment that ALL HISTORY IS HEARSAY. We have recorded documentation of many historical events, visual documentation. We have history books who's authenticity can easily be validated, cross-referenced, with pictorial evidence. We have artifacts that can be dated and confirmed as authentic.
With Jesus you have NO CONTEMPORARY ACCOUNTS OF JESUS OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE.
Yes, all history that we haven't witnessed is hearsay if we're passing on the tradition. Here's an example for your consideration.
My great great grandfather fought in the 3 day Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War, and was wounded on the first day. He was a member of the 76th NY Infantry from Cortland County. I was told this by my mother. She was told this by her mother, and she was told by her mother, and she was told by her mother and father. What proof do I have in my possession? I have a copy of his pension from the War Department, and a digital copy of a young man in civil war attire, holding a derringer. Our family has preserved the stories he told his daughter (my great-grandmother) about the things he did and the things he witnessed. She passed that on to her daughter (my grandmother), who in turn passed it down to my mother, who in turn passed it down to me. It's been 150 years since the battle. I have an oral tradition that hasn't been exaggerated, I have a single piece of paper detailing a pension for a war injury, and a digital copy of a grainy black and white image of a young man in civil war attire. That's all I have. Now if I cross check, I can know that the 76th NY Infantry fought on the first day of the battle. There's one single stone monument that marks the position of the 76th NY Infantry on July 1st 1863. That's it. Nothing more to know in relation to my grandfather being at this historic event from 150 years ago. At best, my family history is circumstantial. It's hearsay. I never met my great-great-grandfather. Nobody ever wrote a book about him, yet he existed. Do you doubt anything I've told you about my great-great-grandfather?

In comparison, with Jesus, we have at least 2 hostile secular accounts from hostile sources, and we have 4 sources that were friendly (the gospels). None of them are contemporary, and they don't NEED to be. Nobody wrote down my great-great-grandfather's account of what it was like to lay wounded on the battlefield for 2 days before receiving any first-aid whatsoever, until about 10 years ago. It was always maintained in family stories that NEVER changed or exaggerated any detail.

My point? There's more written evidence for Jesus from 2,000 years ago, than there is for my great-great-grandfather from just 150 years ago. Of course you'll claim that my great-great-grandfather's existence is irrelevant to this conversation. Do you know why it's irrelevant? Because your eternal future isn't at stake or dependent upon the existence of my great-great-grandfather.

If you look at every argument that you reject for the existence of Jesus, despite the fact that we repeat the same information, your own emotional bias comes shining through like the sun. If we wanted to make this up to convince you, why would we keep repeating the same arguments? Wouldn't we make up new arguments? What possible motive could I have to get you to change your heart and mind? It's not like I'm going to make any money off my efforts. I'm not going to get extra credit in the after-life. I'm not looking for bragging rights. I'm not running for office. What can I possibly gain?

Believing in the existence of my great-great-grandfather doesn't require any internal change of heart. But believing in Jesus does, and there is the difference.

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